Rescue / Hybrid Advice

TheDoc

So after my recent return I've found a gap in the bag.

My yardage has very much changed since coming back now using my new irons which are longer then my old blades and also the fact I'm just physically stronger and bigger then where I was 19.

I'm finding a big of a puzzle inbetween the 3wood and 4 iron.

My 3 wood is a 15* Titleist and then I've my 4 iron. I find that I'm trying to punch or hit a soft 3 wood to some long par 3's and par 5's.

I've been told a Rescue/Hybrid is probably the best shout, although I'm not sure on them. When I stopped playing they were literally the new thing. But they seem pretty common now.

I guess the main question is what sort of loft am I looking at?

My club pro shop is going to give me a few to demo and will put aside good second hand ones, although the Taylor Made burner 2.0 range is being slashed on prices since Rocketballs are taking over, so a TM Burner 2.0 Rescue is about €90 delivered.

Anyway some advice or comments from those using rescues/hybrids would be great.

I'm currently playing off 11.
I'm not specific on distances ( tbh something I've said I'm going to record properly this year)

But going by the club selection and distance of my drivers over playing partners id say im a big hitter.

Whyner

That's a huge gap. What degree is your 4 iron? Let's say 24, and your 3 wood is 15.

If you're just getting one club to fill the gap then it has to be between those 2

A lot would have:

5 wood (18)
and/or
4 iron / 4 Rescue (22)

Do you carry 14 clubs, have you got 4 wedges?

mike12

I think a rescue this it at least a club further than the same iron so a 4 hybrid would be a 2&1/2 or 3 iron distance wise a 3 would fill the gap between a 4 iron and 3 wood.
They can vary make to make keep a eye on loft i have seen a 19 degree 3 and a 20 degree 4.
Mike

Mr. Larson

mike12 wrote: »

I think a rescue this it at least a club further than the same iron so a 4 hybrid would be a 2&1/2 or 3 iron distance wise a 3 would fill the gap between a 4 iron and 3 wood.
They can vary make to make keep a eye on loft i have seen a 19 degree 3 and a 20 degree 4.
Mike

Not necessarily, I've a 24° G10 Hybrid and a G10 4 iron which is also 24° and the ball flight and distance I get on a good strike from both is quite different between both, with the 24° being higher and shorter (albeit slightly easier to hit)

I've a similar dilemma, I have a 3 wood and a huge gap to the 24° clubs then which needs filling. Problem is I have 4 Wedges, hmmm. I think perhaps the 24° Hybrid will be taking a walk.

mike12

Jabberwocky wrote: »

Not necessarily, I've a 24° G10 Hybrid and a G10 4 iron which is also 24° and the ball flight and distance I get on a good strike from both is quite different between both, with the 24° being higher and shorter (albeit slightly easier to hit)

I've a similar dilemma, I have a 3 wood and a huge gap to the 24° clubs then which needs filling. Problem is I have 4 Wedges, hmmm. I think perhaps the 24° Hybrid will be taking a walk.

Interesting i hit my 5 iron just over 190 i have a 4 hybrid that i hit 220, the only thing i could get to cover that gap without going back to the 4 iron is a 6 hybrid which goes around 205.
I think the Hybrids are just so more versitile than the irons.
Mike

Mr. Larson

mike12 wrote: »

I think the Hybrids are just so more versitile than the irons.
Mike

Different strokes I guess.

You'd never catch me hitting the hybrid off the tee on a tight driving hole, but I'd hit the 4 iron all day long. I would personally be more inclined to hit a straighter shot with my 4 iron. Maybe my Hybrid has the wrong shaft, come to think of it? Conversely I would never hit a 4 iron from the rough but I'll hit the hybrid from the rough with relative ease.

TheDoc

I've got 12 clubs, I carry two wedges.

So I'm just trying to research some data on fillers between 3wood and 4iron

I'll probably grab a demo on Saturday and a different one Sunday to test out the feel etc.

At this point I'm not understanding the difference between hybrid and rescue to be honest

Tones69

TheDoc wrote: »

I've got 12 clubs, I carry two wedges.

So I'm just trying to research some data on fillers between 3wood and 4iron

I'll probably grab a demo on Saturday and a different one Sunday to test out the feel etc.

At this point I'm not understanding the difference between hybrid and rescue to be honest

12? uve room for 2 more my man, or are you not counting the putter??

Keano

A fellow boardsie recommended that I should get a hybrid. I was keeping it old school until that point, it's now my favourite club in the bag. So my advice is try a few out and pick the one you like and buy it!

BigChap1759

I have Titleist 909F 3 wood, 909h 19 degree hybrid and 4 iron and find that works well - you can choke down the hybrid to take a bit off it when you need to.

whizbang

I use a G10, 21deg hybrid.
I notice the completely different ball flight compared to a similar wood.
the Hybrid still has some spin when it lands, so it has much less roll, in theory it should be more predictable distancewise. I have abandoned the 3 wood as a result.
sorry but my 4 iron isnt reliable enough yet to compare.

Still dont know the difference between hybrid and rescue either..

spacecoyote

Maybe consider a 7-wood, I can get great height with mine and land it nice and softly and with more distance than my 4-iron

charlieIRL

spacecoyote wrote: »

Maybe consider a 7-wood, I can get great height with mine and land it nice and softly and with more distance than my 4-iron

i can't hit my R7 7 wood out of my way anymore whatever has gone wrong with it so i've taken it out of my bag.(soon to be seen on adverts!)
Its killing me a small bit cause i don't have anything to fill the gap from driver to my 22 rescue. Think its time to invest in a decent 3 wood.

TheGrump

I carry 15deg 3-wood, 19deg hybrid and then 4 iron. Works well for me. The gap between hybrid and 4 iron is a little big but I just choke down on the hybrid sometimes.

One point I would make is that the hybrid is great from fairway and rough but not so easy off the tee. So if it's long par threes that are giving you a problem then a 5-wood may be a better option then a hybrid.

Whyner

charlieIRL wrote: »

i can't hit my R7 7 wood out of my way anymore whatever has gone wrong with it so i've taken it out of my bag.(soon to be seen on adverts!)
Its killing me a small bit cause i don't have anything to fill the gap from driver to my 22 rescue. Think its time to invest in a decent 3 wood.

That's another huge gap. You just have to stick with fairway woods until you come good. I struggled with them for a long time and still do but they're invaluable and must be mastered to improve

charlieIRL

Whyner wrote: »

That's another huge gap. You just have to stick with fairway woods until you come good. I struggled with them for a long time and still do but they're invaluable and must be mastered to improve

too big, thats why i have to get a 3 wood. Par5's kill me!

Whyner

Once you get them, play your practice rounds by hitting them off the tee without a tee, if you know what I mean

charlieIRL

Whyner wrote: »

Once you get them, play your practice rounds by hitting them off the tee without a tee, if you know what I mean

know exactly what you mean. I spent a while at the range last week getting in a bit of practice for last sunday and decided to take out the 7 wood. I normally hit it off the matt without a tee - no joy. Even onthe longer section of grass was the same. Don't know whether its me or not but i never got along with it.

Tried out the new Wilson Staff 3 wood a few weeks ago and liked it - if only the shop would open at the range i could buy it!! Am going to head over to Birr for a look at whats there soon.

Tones69

Ive got an 18* TM Hybrid in between my 4i and 3 wood, love it, bomber

GreeBo

TheGrump wrote: »

One point I would make is that the hybrid is great from fairway and rough but not so easy off the tee.

I dont understand how you could have a problem hitting a hybrid off the tee but not off the fairway? Doesnt that mean that you are just teeing it up too high?

I use my hybrid on tight driving holes all the time, especially if its downwind, into the wind I will probably hit a 3 iron because of the lower ball flight.

I have found that I dont use my 3 wood at all anymore...it might just be the course that I play, hybrid gets me to all the par 5s in two. I used it last week and it was only 10yards closer than my average rescue so...

Keano

GreeBo wrote: »

I dont understand how you could have a problem hitting a hybrid off the tee but not off the fairway? Doesnt that mean that you are just teeing it up too high?

I use my hybrid on tight driving holes all the time, especially if its downwind, into the wind I will probably hit a 3 iron because of the lower ball flight.

I have found that I dont use my 3 wood at all anymore...it might just be the course that I play, hybrid gets me to all the par 5s in two. I used it last week and it was only 10yards closer than my average rescue so...

Same here. I was never a big fan of it and I may be sacrificing a bit of yardage some times but I'll live with that.

Tones69

GreeBo wrote: »

I dont understand how you could have a problem hitting a hybrid off the tee but not off the fairway? Doesnt that mean that you are just teeing it up too high?

I use my hybrid on tight driving holes all the time, especially if its downwind, into the wind I will probably hit a 3 iron because of the lower ball flight.

I have found that I dont use my 3 wood at all anymore...it might just be the course that I play, hybrid gets me to all the par 5s in two. I used it last week and it was only 10yards closer than my average rescue so...

I use my 3 wood on tight par 4s that are 400 yds or less as i know a 3 wood and an short iron/PW will get me there. First hole and Last 2 par 4s in Wolseley always gets the 3 wood treatment

k.p.h

In the same boat as Keano and Greebo, don't have a 3 wood and don't particularly need one. Short, short left or short right are all usually OK on Par5's, or maybe occasionally hit one perfect and it will roll onto the front of the green. With a 3 Wood in the hand it's long (and more) right/left with trouble everywhere. 3 woods are tricky to control IMO,especially with lot's of different lies, In no rush to get one TBH. That said if anyone has a G10 15.5 and are willing to let it go for 50e I'l take it...

TheDoc

BigChap1759 wrote: »

I have Titleist 909F 3 wood, 909h 19 degree hybrid and 4 iron and find that works well - you can choke down the hybrid to take a bit off it when you need to.

I'm using the 906F 3 wood, 15*

So what Degree hybrid should I be looking at, I can shape the ball so at the moment when I need to fill the gap I'm hitting high draws with the 4 iron or high fades with the 3wood, while also choking down on the 3 wood. But its not the ideal situation really.

Its the degree thats getting me mostly

Most people are pointing me to 18 and 19 degree hybrids, but thats a 3 degree rise from my 3 wood,

My 4 iron lies about 25*, so I was assuming I'd be looking more at a 20/21, although I guess what the **** is a degree right?

Getting some info here folks keep it coming!

mike12

I have a 3 wood then 22 degree but i don't carry a 4 iron. I'd say 20 would be about right.
Mike

TheDoc

Case closed.

Da was in Mcguirks browsing when a fella brought out a Taylormade R11 5 wood and popped it in the second hand bag.

Perfect condition, will hit it this weekend, they even gave me the option of returning it after a week if I'm not happy for a full refund.

€90

AldilaMan

TheDoc wrote: »

Case closed.

Da was in Mcguirks browsing when a fella brought out a Taylormade R11 5 wood and popped it in the second hand bag.

Perfect condition, will hit it this weekend, they even gave me the option of returning it after a week if I'm not happy for a full refund.

€90

I think the 5 wood is the right choice to fill that gap for now.
O/T I don't think you're a big hitter if you need a 3 wood for par 3's in Hollywood Lakes or maybe your partners are short

Redzah

TheDoc wrote: »

Case closed.

Da was in Mcguirks browsing when a fella brought out a Taylormade R11 5 wood and popped it in the second hand bag.

Perfect condition, will hit it this weekend, they even gave me the option of returning it after a week if I'm not happy for a full refund.

€90

Fair play thats a decent deal alright, your namesake got it for €10 cheaper on the 'Whats in the bag thread' though

TheDoc

Redzah wrote: »

Fair play thats a decent deal alright, your namesake got it for €10 cheaper on the 'Whats in the bag thread' though

Posted that before I got home, Da got him down another €10 cause of a tear i nthe headcover

Tones69

TheDoc wrote: »

Posted that before I got home, Da got him down another €10 cause of a tear i nthe headcover

No foolin aul pops

TheDoc

AldilaMan wrote: »

I think the 5 wood is the right choice to fill that gap for now.
O/T I don't think you're a big hitter if you need a 3 wood for par 3's in Hollywood Lakes or maybe your partners are short

Well I'd be about above average. I hit my 7 iron about 165-170 yards.

The problem with the Par 3's is normally the following. ( taking into account there is typically a wind that can have pretty big effects on the hole)

6th hole It's uphill and always plays a club more to the green. Furthermore its a big greeen, and when the pin is middle or back I've got problems. A 3 wood will send me over the back, a 4 iron will leave me short. So there is a big distance that needs to be closed.

I'm finding I need to try a soft 3 wood, burst a 4 iron or what I mostly do, punch the 3 wood ( or hit a big fade). It is a bit too risky and as I punch / fade the ball I'm relying on alot of run since I cant hit a high fade ( no idea why)

11th hole. Even more steep uphill and its usually the same club as the 6th. so again I'm normally punching / low cutting a 3 wood. There is more bunker traps around this green so leaves very little margin for error.

17th. There is a pretty horridbunker on the front right, with the pin normally tucked in behind it, so to get into scoring opportunities I'm having to cut my 4 iron to get the right flight. But obviously this is taking off distance.

Then there are also a couple of course management plays I like to do. There are 2 par 5's that I like to lay up on as I find I've a better chance of birdie then taking on the risk to try hit the green in 2.

And more recently the wind is coming from a point where there is a fair few long hits into some par 4's.

I'm going to give it a bash tomorrow and Sunday see how I get on.

TheDoc

Tones69 wrote: »

No foolin aul pops

Hes a fiend for a haggle.

I've bought most of my recent gear in the pro shop ( who does some pretty savage pricing) and my Da is always at them for a few bob off, there is some seriously good banter when hes buying.

Running joke now is when I throw the food bars on the counter we start having a joke haggle !

AldilaMan

TheDoc wrote: »

Well I'd be about above average. I hit my 7 iron about 165-170 yards.

The problem with the Par 3's is normally the following. ( taking into account there is typically a wind that can have pretty big effects on the hole)

6th hole It's uphill and always plays a club more to the green. Furthermore its a big greeen, and when the pin is middle or back I've got problems. A 3 wood will send me over the back, a 4 iron will leave me short. So there is a big distance that needs to be closed.

I'm finding I need to try a soft 3 wood, burst a 4 iron or what I mostly do, punch the 3 wood ( or hit a big fade). It is a bit too risky and as I punch / fade the ball I'm relying on alot of run since I cant hit a high fade ( no idea why)

11th hole. Even more steep uphill and its usually the same club as the 6th. so again I'm normally punching / low cutting a 3 wood. There is more bunker traps around this green so leaves very little margin for error.

17th. There is a pretty horridbunker on the front right, with the pin normally tucked in behind it, so to get into scoring opportunities I'm having to cut my 4 iron to get the right flight. But obviously this is taking off distance.

Then there are also a couple of course management plays I like to do. There are 2 par 5's that I like to lay up on as I find I've a better chance of birdie then taking on the risk to try hit the green in 2.

And more recently the wind is coming from a point where there is a fair few long hits into some par 4's.

I'm going to give it a bash tomorrow and Sunday see how I get on.

I'd say your long enough if your hitting a 7 iron 165-170. I hit my 7 iron 150. I'd mostly hit 4 or 5 iron to the par 3's 6,11 & 17 which only measure 168 yards to the centre off the yellows. 17th slightly longer but downhill. That's a 6 or 7 iron for you (on the evidence of how far you hit your 7 iron) and if there's wind a bit more club. I suspect you're not getting the additional yardage as you move through the lower irons as based on the above you should be able to hit your 4 iron 190+

TheDoc

AldilaMan wrote: »

I'd say your long enough if your hitting a 7 iron 165-170. I hit my 7 iron 150. I'd mostly hit 4 or 5 iron to the par 3's 6,11 & 17 which only measure 168 yards to the centre off the yellows. 17th slightly longer but downhill. That's a 6 or 7 iron for you (on the evidence of how far you hit your 7 iron) and if there's wind a bit more club. I suspect you're not getting the additional yardage as you move through the lower irons as based on the above you should be able to hit your 4 iron 190+

I havnt worked out distances really since coming back with my new irons. Kinda just working of feel, waiting for the few days of work next month to go out and get my yardage properly.


(since you sound like your from HLW Ii can get specific)

It might be based on recent rounds where the wind has been pretty howling. The 17th isn't so bad, I'm able to get to it comfy with a 6 iron, and able to shape a 5 iron into the back right pin. ( when it goes right )

The 6th and 11th cause issues though, and I'm not sure why. I just find I'm constantly battling in my head to take either a full 4 iron or a soft/faded 3 wood.

It might be the case its just the tough wind lately. My natural shape is a fade, so I find when I get into the high irons I'm loosing distance because of such.

I also like to lay up to the 5th and 15th. Decided a long time ago it wasn't worth the risk, and i'm confident enough to give myself a good chance of an up and down birdie.

Alot of things I've been deciding recently have been of feel and theory. Once I get my yardage down it might be more prevalent what I'm actually doing and hitting.

But I have room for two more clubs in my bag, so felt a 5 wood would be a good gap filler. I was looking at a 19* rescue, so why not get the 5 wood

Thanks for all the feedback guys, it was very beneficial whilst trying to find out what to go with I'll keep everyone apprised with how I get on. If I love it, or if its going back to the shop