fitting leather seats

celica1994

Hey, Im looking to buy a set of leather seats to replace my cloth ones in my peugeot. Does anyone know how hard these are to fit? theyre supposed to be heated seats and fully electric yet my old ones arent, is this possible to do?

Deson

celica1994 wrote: »

Hey, Im looking to buy a set of leather seats to replace my cloth ones in my peugeot. Does anyone know how hard these are to fit? theyre supposed to be heated seats and fully electric yet my old ones arent, is this possible to do?

What kind of Peugeot is it? You could look up Donedeal for one for parts

I wouldn't try fitting them unless I knew what I was doing. I'd get someone who knows what to do.

JerCotter7

Depends what kind of job you want to do. You could go to a dealer and get a proper loom to wire them in the same as standard. Or you could just buy the switches from the person selling the seats and make your own loom. Both wouldn't be the easiest job for a first timer.

MarkR

I got an auto electrician to fit mine. Mine were manual cloth (Avensis), changed to leather electric. No heat. He wired the seats to a direct feed so they can always be operated. In an accident or something I suppose.

The connectors at the bottom will likely be different, and you should be wary about air bags.

Best thing I ever got for my car though. Much more comfortable and supportive.

JerCotter7

MarkR wrote: »

I got an auto electrician to fit mine. Mine were manual cloth (Avensis), changed to leather electric. No heat. He wired the seats to a direct feed so they can always be operated. In an accident or something I suppose.

The connectors at the bottom will likely be different, and you should be wary about air bags.

Best thing I ever got for my car though. Much more comfortable and supportive.

Nothing to do with an accident. He was just too lazy to use a relay:rolleyes:

sean1141

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Depends what kind of job you want to do. You could go to a dealer and get a proper loom to wire them in the same as standard. Or you could just buy the switches from the person selling the seats and make your own loom. Both wouldn't be the easiest job for a first timer.

i done it in my seat leon. very easy job. buy a loom, dont make one unless you are very handy at wiring. think there are 8 wires going to each switch on mine..

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Nothing to do with an accident. He was just too lazy to use a relay:rolleyes:

no need for a relay. its most likely built into the seat. only need a fused power and an earth. well mine worked that way anyway.

JerCotter7

sean1141 wrote: »

i done it in my seat leon. very easy job. buy a loom, dont make one unless you are very handy at wiring. think there are 8 wires going to each switch on mine..

Yeah I said both options. Never said which to do.;) But yeah making a loom would require a bit of knowledge of relays and your cars wiring system. Nothing to difficult either.

sean1141 wrote: »

no need for a relay. its most likely built into the seat. only need a fused power and an earth. well mine worked that way anyway.

You would at least need 3 wires for power. One for 12v, another for ground and a switched 12v unless your seats are always on. If you only used 2 wires that means you have taken power directly from a switch 12v. That's why you have no reason for a relay. Personally I wouldn't like to do that as most things require more power than a switched 12v can provide. You could be drawing to much power and overheat the wiring and cause a fire. It would be safer going straight from the battery IMO. Maybe this is just the way leons are wired. I can't see peugeots being wired like that though.

celica1994

I think maybe my best route to go down is to get an auto electrician to do it for me. its for a peugeot 607, it has multiplex wiring, i hope this doesnt cause a problem lol

rebel.ranter

The trickiest thing to get working in retrofitting electric seats is getting the memory function to work. If all you want to work is the adjustment feature then it is pretty straight forward, a + & - with the right AMP rating is what is required.

celica1994

just wondering, would any set of seats fit my car or do they have to be peugeot ones?

JerCotter7

Well you could fabricate a frame to make any similar sized seat fit. But then they might just look too out of place.

sean1141

JerCotter7 wrote: »

Yeah I said both options. Never said which to do.;) But yeah making a loom would require a bit of knowledge of relays and your cars wiring system. Nothing to difficult either.

i was agreeing with you;)

JerCotter7 wrote: »

You would at least need 3 wires for power. One for 12v, another for ground and a switched 12v unless your seats are always on. If you only used 2 wires that means you have taken power directly from a switch 12v. That's why you have no reason for a relay. Personally I wouldn't like to do that as most things require more power than a switched 12v can provide. You could be drawing to much power and overheat the wiring and cause a fire. It would be safer going straight from the battery IMO. Maybe this is just the way leons are wired. I can't see peugeots being wired like that though.

no need for a switched 12v for seats once it is fused. there are two connections on the leon at the fuse box. 1 is a constant 12v and the other is a switched 12v from the ignition. i connected mine to the constant 12v so i dont need to have the key in to adjust them. that is the way they are wired from the factory in the leon, cant say anything about any other cars.

JerCotter7

sean1141 wrote: »

i was agreeing with you;)





no need for a switched 12v for seats once it is fused. there are two connections on the leon at the fuse box. 1 is a constant 12v and the other is a switched 12v from the ignition. i connected mine to the constant 12v so i dont need to have the key in to adjust them. that is the way they are wired from the factory in the leon, cant say anything about any other cars.

I'm not understanding why you mention a fuse? Every wire in a car should be fused as close to the battery as possible. Surely if you wanted to connect your seats to switched 12v you would need to run a wire to the constant and switched. I didn't think the switched would be safe to run a wire to. If say, you had heated seats you could draw to much power and overheat the wiring causing it to melt? Or if some kid was in the car moving the seat back and forth Leon's might be able to cope with it though.

colm_mcm

Would a seat use much more than an electric window? I doubt it.

JerCotter7

colm_mcm wrote: »

Would a seat use much more than an electric window? I doubt it.

Yeah that's true. I'm thinking more along the lines of the heating elements in the car. New CF heating mats draw a lot of current. Burned out a switch by hooking it up to it. Outside the car luckily:D

sean1141

JerCotter7 wrote: »

I'm not understanding why you mention a fuse? Every wire in a car should be fused as close to the battery as possible. Surely if you wanted to connect your seats to switched 12v you would need to run a wire to the constant and switched. I didn't think the switched would be safe to run a wire to. If say, you had heated seats you could draw to much power and overheat the wiring causing it to melt? Or if some kid was in the car moving the seat back and forth Leon's might be able to cope with it though.

why would you need to run it to the constant and switched? you only need one power scource.
constant=power to the seats all the time, switched=power with the ignition on.
heating elements are on a different loom, well they are on my recaros anyway. the switches are powered for the heating elements and not the seat. the 12v for the power function of the seat runs directly to the seat,12v for the heating elements runs to the switches in the dash.

the 12v suply i have has no bother powering my seats with me sitting in them

JerCotter7

sean1141 wrote: »

why would you need to run it to the constant and switched? you only need one power scource.
constant=power to the seats all the time, switched=power with the ignition on.
heating elements are on a different loom, well they are on my recaros anyway. the switches are powered for the heating elements and not the seat. the 12v for the power function of the seat runs directly to the seat,12v for the heating elements runs to the switches in the dash.

the 12v suply i have has no bother powering my seats with me sitting in them

If your seats have a relay in them they would need a constant and a switched 12v. That's how a relay works. Once the switched 12v is on the relay will click and you get the constant 12v from the battery.

It's not a question of will they power it. The seats will pull as much power as they need through any wire. But if you have a 0.5m wire running the heating elements in the seats the wire wouldn't take long to overheat and melt.

no1beemerfan

colm_mcm wrote: »

Would a seat use much more than an electric window? I doubt it.

I put electric leather seats in my Laguna which used to only have manual cloth seats. I have the passenger one wired up to the light in the glove box to stop people messing with it....ie I've to turn on the lights and open the glove box for it to move! (I did this as most Paddys never sat on electric seats before and always had to fiddle with the seat!)

I set up the drivers seat (my seat) with a car battery as my car has a tow bar an my father/brother were always looking for the car to use it, so now they can't adjust the seat so it stopped them asking!

Leather seats make a huge diff to a car,

Before


After

sean1141

JerCotter7 wrote: »

If your seats have a relay in them they would need a constant and a switched 12v. That's how a relay works. Once the switched 12v is on the relay will click and you get the constant 12v from the battery.

It's not a question of will they power it. The seats will pull as much power as they need through any wire. But if you have a 0.5m wire running the heating elements in the seats the wire wouldn't take long to overheat and melt.

there is just one power wire going to the seat. i know because i put it in myself. there is also a relay pre fitted in the seat. you could also loop the 12v going to the relay so its getting power on both terminals

JerCotter7

sean1141 wrote: »

there is just one power wire going to the seat. i know because i put it in myself. there is also a relay pre fitted in the seat. you could also loop the 12v going to the relay so its getting power on both terminals

I'm just trying to wrap my head around the need for a relay if it will work without it.:D