Unprovoked assault, playground at the canal Thursday night 2.30

RINO87

Hey guys, me and a mate took a serious hammering down by the canal behind the roisin, close to the playground i think. Around 2.30 thursday night/friday morning, just after massimo. Just trying to piece things together as I can only remember coming to in hospital, my mate says there were 5-6 of em, may have been hanging around the area for a while. Anyone see anything?? Any info appreciated as I was out cold and havent a clue what happened. Dental bill aint gonna be cheap.

ChunkyLover54

RINO87 wrote: »

Hey guys, me and a mate took a serious hammering down by the canal behind the roisin, close to the playground i think. Around 2.30 thursday night/friday morning, just after massimo. Just trying to piece things together as I can only remember coming to in hospital, my mate says there were 5-6 of em, may have been hanging around the area for a while. Anyone see anything?? Any info appreciated as I was out cold and havent a clue what happened. Dental bill aint gonna be cheap.

Perhaps you should consult the police to help you with your investigation

Shakti

You poor soul thats awful,

biko

Sorry to hear that OP.
Anyone with info (did you see any scummers around the area or have you heard anything about the attack?) please contact Mill street.

RINO87

was talking to the guards and to say they were unhelpful would be putting it nicely. I'll leave it at that.

Sponge Bob

Are the Gardai refusing to accept a report of what was obviously a serious assault in Galway in case they have to investigate it???

Crowd from Salthill (around the general Dr Mannix Road area) used to be the worst for this sort of scumbaggery back in my day.

Did you or any friend have any hassle , knock a glass, anything....while in the pub.

What time did you go out to Massimos?

inisboffin

RINO87 wrote: »

was talking to the guards and to say they were unhelpful would be putting it nicely. I'll leave it at that.

OP - If the Guards refuse to help at all, they are not doing their job!
I'm sorry this happened to you, and it *should* be investigated.
I know you said you'll leave at at that - but just know, if you were assaulted they *should* do their job.

JONJO THE MISER

Would not expect anything less from the Guards of the city, there a Joke.

BhoscaCapall

inisboffin wrote: »

OP - If the Guards refuse to help at all, they are not doing their job!
I'm sorry this happened to you, and it *should* be investigated.
I know you said you'll leave at at that - but just know, if you were assaulted they *should* do their job.

OP was obviously drunk, and is probably a young adult. Some people have this attitude that if a young person has been drinking, nothing they say is worth listening to. It's happened to me before trying to talk to bouncers because I've left a jacket inside or something, they just shove you out the door.

It is possible to be drunk and responsible, but you can't really expect a Guard or bouncer to be able to process this in their tiny minds.

inisboffin

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

OP was obviously drunk, and is probably a young adult. Some people have this attitude that if a young person has been drinking, nothing they say is worth listening to. It's happened to me before trying to talk to bouncers because I've left a jacket inside or something, they just shove you out the door.

It is possible to be drunk and responsible, but you can't really expect a Guard or bouncer to be able to process this in their tiny minds.

There's a big difference between leaving your jacket in a pub while messy and being beaten unconscious. I'm not even sure which point you are making. Just because alcohol was involved in a crime does not not take away the fact that it was a crime. Both parties (assuming, we don't know this) having had 'drink taken' has nothing to do with the fact that someone got hurt.
If an assault happened and someone was hospitalized, it needs to be investigated, whether the OP was drinking Jagermeister or peppermint tea that night is irrelevant - end of.

BhoscaCapall

Sweet rant and all, but if you read my post again you'll find that it's supporting the OP.

Panthro

Sorry to hear that OP. Hope you are on the mend. Sickening thing to happen.
Just a suggestion, if it happened behind the Roisin, there might be security cameras outside. You never know, there could be something picked up on them.
All the best.

inisboffin

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Sweet rant and all, but if you read my post again you'll find that it's supporting the OP.

Reread and not sure how that post would be construed as supportive? But...Ok, if you say so.

RINO87

inisboffin wrote: »

There's a big difference between leaving your jacket in a pub while messy and being beaten unconscious. I'm not even sure which point you are making. Just because alcohol was involved in a crime does not not take away the fact that it was a crime. Both parties (assuming, we don't know this) having had 'drink taken' has nothing to do with the fact that someone got hurt.
If an assault happened and someone was hospitalized, it needs to be investigated, whether the OP was drinking Jagermeister or peppermint tea that night is irrelevant - end of.

I understand what you are saying here and realise you were trying to help. I wasnt drunk. Had a few pints yes, but far from drunk. Im in my mid twenties too, couldnt have been maistaken for a student.

Anyway, just seeing as I cant remember the incident I was just wondering if anyone saw a group of scum hanging around. My mate remembers more than me, says it was a group of scumbags so we can rule out anything having happened in massimo. I work in the hospitality trade myself so know how not to get into these situatuions in pubs.

This just appears to have been a random act, and is something that is happening all too often in galway recently. I DO NOT wasnt this to turn into a rant about the guards but apparently they just dropped us off at the hospital and never took numbers. I have been on to them since and they appear to be taking things more seriously. Roisin has no cctv out back, but hopefully the guards can pull up some footage from somewherem stop these inbreeds from doing this to someone else. Like i said, my dental bills are gonna be huge and i want these ****ers to pay.

skelliser

the guards wont deal with this on the nite and when drink is involved.

They usually wait until the next day to start taking statements.

you can apply for victims of crime compensation to help with your teeth.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/victims_of_crime/victims_and_compensation.html

best of luck

RINO87

skelliser wrote: »

the guards wont deal with this on the nite and when drink is involved.

They usually wait until the next day to start taking statements.

you can apply for victims of crime compensation to help with your teeth.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/victims_of_crime/victims_and_compensation.html

best of luck

Thanks for the advice. Just what i need. Like i said I dont want this to turn into a guard bashing thread, i just need help and advice.

Wompa1

My friend just got jumped in Woodquay by two guys. It's pretty sickening.

Discodog

I appreciate that you don't want to bash the Guards but it is their job to investigate & apprehend. If you don't pursue this then people will continue to be fobbed off. Go to Mill Street, with your mate & make full written statements. Also put in writing that you were very dissatisfied with the way that the Guards acted on the night. Make it clear that you expect the Guards to investigate & you will make a formal complaint if they do not. Ask to speak to a senior officer & make it clear that you were treated badly.

If the Guards fail to take these incidents seriously & just dismiss it as drunken brawling it only encourages the scumbags & makes our city unsafe. It also gives the scumbags the message that they can carry on as normal.

The taking of drink doesn't excuse violence. By ignoring it the Guards send out a dangerous message. Would they of acted the same if a drunk girl had been sexually assaulted ? They would probably consider this to be more serious but you are also going to suffer serious consequences.

MadYaker

Unlucky OP. The canals are best avoided late at night imo.

Sad fact is, you can be 99.99% sure these scumbags have convictions from as near as two years ago, and maybe for assault too.

How we live in a society where we have to put up with these people is beyond me.

Suspended sentences, concurrent sentences and half off for ''good behaviour''(shouldnt that be a given :rolleyes:)

The system really is a joke, we should do what they do in the likes of Palestine(just watched something on it last night so came to mind first), 35 to a cell..... harsh sentences.

Too much emphasis is put on prisoner welfare which comes at a cost, which means its cheaper to get them in and out in a few months.

One prison for first time offenders as they are, and make the others for repeat offenders at the lowest cost possible, guards on walls with guns and let them fend for themselves(Prison Break Panama style).

skelliser

Discodog wrote: »

I appreciate that you don't want to bash the Guards but it is their job to investigate & apprehend. If you don't pursue this then people will continue to be fobbed off. Go to Mill Street, with your mate & make full written statements. Also put in writing that you were very dissatisfied with the way that the Guards acted on the night. Make it clear that you expect the Guards to investigate & you will make a formal complaint if they do not. Ask to speak to a senior officer & make it clear that you were treated badly.

less of the keyboard warrior stuff.

The Guards know how to do there jobs ffs!!

would you take statements from people in distress and under the influence?
no you wouldnt you would come back the next day or whenever.

They also only have limited resources and its not there fault the judiciary give out lenient sentences.

Discodog

skelliser wrote: »

less of the keyboard warrior stuff.

The Guards know how to do there jobs ffs!!

would you take statements from people in distress and under the influence?
no you wouldnt you would come back the next day or whenever.

They also only have limited resources and its not there fault the judiciary give out lenient sentences.

What kind of warrior are you :rolleyes: ?

The facts are that we had a lot of these threads & one common factor is the failure of the Guards to take complainants seriously. If the Guards had been doing their job properly they would of reassured the OP that they will follow up on his complaint. If they had done this he wouldn't of posted this:

RINO87 wrote: »

was talking to the guards and to say they were unhelpful would be putting it nicely. I'll leave it at that.

Maybe they should redirect their resources especially as this happened so close to Mill St. Galway is a special City & still (just) has a safe reputation. Personally I would rather see that as a priority rather than road checkpoints.

RINO87

Wompa1 wrote: »

My friend just got jumped in Woodquay by two guys. It's pretty sickening.

I have also heard reports of people getting robbed in the same area as my incident took place in earlier on thursday night. Scum must have been in the vicinity for a while.

@discodogg, We intend to follow this up fully. Not being in Galway at the moment is not helping as I had to visit my dentist for some emergency work.

Funny that people say galway is getting a bad rep, I lived in Limerick, with its "danger city" tag for 5 years without the least bit of incident, lived and worked close to an area people would refer to as "troubled". Lived in Galway 6 months, have had property stolen from my residence and now this.

It doesnt matter where you live, sh1t just happens:)

antoobrien

RINO87 wrote: »

was talking to the guards and to say they were unhelpful would be putting it nicely. I'll leave it at that.

If you're unhappy with your treatment by the Gardaí you should write a letter of complaint to the Garda ombudsman.

Irishgoatman

Only just seen this thread and find one posters comment hard to believe.

BhoscaCapall said, in an earlier post, that the unlucky person "was obviously drunk".

Years ago I was knocked down by a car whilst on my way home and all I remember was lying in the road being attended to by an ambulance crew

I'd had 2 pints.
The brain, fortunately, doesn't remember some painfull incidents.

If RINO87 remembered the attack completely just think how painful the memories would be.

mallachyrivers

inisboffin wrote: »

There's a big difference between leaving your jacket in a pub while messy and being beaten unconscious. I'm not even sure which point you are making. Just because alcohol was involved in a crime does not not take away the fact that it was a crime. Both parties (assuming, we don't know this) having had 'drink taken' has nothing to do with the fact that someone got hurt.
If an assault happened and someone was hospitalized, it needs to be investigated, whether the OP was drinking Jagermeister or peppermint tea that night is irrelevant - end of.

If you read it again you may have understood which point he was trying to make!

BhoscaCapall

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Only just seen this thread and find one posters comment hard to believe.

BhoscaCapall said, in an earlier post, that the unlucky person "was obviously drunk".

Years ago I was knocked down by a car whilst on my way home and all I remember was lying in the road being attended to by an ambulance crew

I'd had 2 pints.
The brain, fortunately, doesn't remember some painfull incidents.

Yeah, because people leaving Massimo's at half 2 in the morning had obviously just popped in for a couple pints at 1 in the morning :rolleyes:

I didn't say that because OP was drunk that it was in any way their fault. In fact, the entire point of my post (missed so spectacularly by inisboffin) was that being drunk does not automatically mean you are not being responsible, but unfortunately some goons (like bouncers and Guards) do not understand this.

Irishgoatman

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Yeah, because people leaving Massimo's at half 2 in the morning had obviously just popped in for a couple pints at 1 in the morning :rolleyes:

I didn't say that because OP was drunk that it was in any way their fault. In fact, the entire point of my post (missed so spectacularly by inisboffin) was that being drunk does not automatically mean you are not being responsible, but unfortunately some goons (like bouncers and Guards) do not understand this.

I understand what you are saying but it is wrong to assume that someone was drunk.

I've a friend in the U.K. who, due to having had a kidney transplant, does not drink, but he still goes to pubs and night clubs, which always, of course, makes him a designated driver!:).

antoobrien

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Yeah, because people leaving Massimo's at half 2 in the morning had obviously just popped in for a couple pints at 1 in the morning :rolleyes:

I've been in Karma as a dessie, does that automatically make me a drunk for leaving at closing time?

BhoscaCapall

Irishgoatman wrote: »

I understand what you are saying but it is wrong to assume that someone was drunk.

I've a friend in the U.K. who, due to having had a kidney transplant, does not drink, but he still goes to pubs and night clubs, which always, of course, makes him a designated driver!.

Ah yes, how silly of me to assume that someone leaving a pub at 2.30am is drunk when you have a friend with a rare condition that means he cannot drink :rolleyes:

antoobrien wrote: »

I've been in Karma as a dessie, does that automatically make me a drunk for leaving at closing time?

Hopefully not. Would you like to provide some more ridiculous examples which do nothing to disprove anything I've said?

Irishgoatman

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Ah yes, how silly of me to assume that someone leaving a pub at 2.30am is drunk when you have a friend with a rare condition that means he cannot drink :rolleyes:


Hopefully not. Would you like to provide some more ridiculous examples which do nothing to disprove anything I've said?

It's quite obvious that you don't know anyone who can enjoy going out without drinking.
If you did you wouldn't be posting such purile and argumentative statements.

I suggest that we get back on track.
Has RINO87 got an update for us?.

inisboffin

Ah, so your point BC, was based on assumptions that you made, which turned out not to be true. MY original point (remember you started off quoting me), was that drunk or sober, it was still a crime that should be dealt with.
Plenty of bar staff from the area pop into Massimos for one or two after work. That's just one example.

Sorry OP, none of his is helping your situation. Any joy with info?

BhoscaCapall

Irishgoatman wrote: »

It's quite obvious that you don't know anyone who can enjoy going out without drinking.
If you did you wouldn't be posting such purile and argumentative statements.

I know people who do not drink, but I am not stupid/ignorant/naive enough to think that the other 99% of people leaving a pub at 2.30am are not inebriated.

inisboffin wrote: »

Ah, so your point BC, was based on assumptions that you made, which turned out not to be true

They haven't turned out not to be true. All that's happened is a couple of posters have treated us to some entertaining anecdotes about a couple of people who do not drink. This does not change the fact that most people leaving a pub in the early of the morning do drink, and are drunk. This fact continues to escape you.

. MY original point (remember you started off quoting me), was that drunk or sober, it was still a crime that should be dealt with.

A point I agreed with, and then went on to support the OP by defending the credibility of those who drink. Take a few deep breaths and read over it again. Nobody disagreed with you.

inisboffin

OP said they weren't drunk.

Irishgoatman

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

I know people who do not drink, but I am not stupid/ignorant/naive enough to think that the other 99% of people leaving a pub at 2.30am are not inebriated.


They haven't turned out not to be true. All that's happened is a couple of posters have treated us to some entertaining anecdotes about a couple of people who do not drink. This does not change the fact that most people leaving a pub in the early of the morning do drink, and are drunk. This fact continues to escape you.


A point I agreed with, and then went on to support the OP by defending the credibility of those who drink. Take a few deep breaths and read over it again. Nobody disagreed with you.

Oh dear, off you go again.:eek:

BhoscaCapall

inisboffin wrote: »

OP said they weren't drunk.

Funny, I expected him to say he was blotto :rolleyes:

Not that that takes anything away from his case here, which yet again, was my original point.

Davyhal

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Funny, I expected him to say he was blotto :rolleyes:

Not that that takes anything away from his case here, which yet again, was my original point.

Drunk or not, the OP has had a traumatic, undeserved experience, and I'm sure you adamently trying to insist that he was intoxicated is not exactly helping the poor guy! Often I would go out for 5 hours, only have 3 or 4 drinks in that time, so I would not be drunk. But even if drunk, he got a battering that was uncalled for - his alcohol level at the time of the attack is irrelevant

Gran Hermano

Sorry to hear OP.
Reminds me of this thread a few months back
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056486377

BhoscaCapall

Davyhal wrote: »

Drunk or not, the OP has had a traumatic, undeserved experience, and I'm sure you adamently trying to insist that he was intoxicated is not exactly helping the poor guy!

And before this thread was dragged off course into an argument about whether or not it's likely the 2.30am clientèle of a pub might be drunk, I was speaking out in support of the OP. I wish him all the best and I think it's disgraceful that the so called guardians of our peace were not more forthcoming in helping him.

Davyhal wrote: »

his alcohol level at the time of the attack is irrelevant

Literally the point I made.

ben.schlomo

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

I know people who do not drink, but I am not stupid/ignorant/naive enough to think that the other 99% of people leaving a pub at 2.30am are not inebriated.


They haven't turned out not to be true. All that's happened is a couple of posters have treated us to some entertaining anecdotes about a couple of people who do not drink. This does not change the fact that most people leaving a pub in the early of the morning do drink, and are drunk. This fact continues to escape you.


A point I agreed with, and then went on to support the OP by defending the credibility of those who drink. Take a few deep breaths and read over it again. Nobody disagreed with you.

A lot of people are able to handle their drink and go out to enjoy themselves and not just get trolleyed as they have no tolerance for it.

Rino, We left the Roisin that night about 1am but i didnt notice any skanger groups around, assuming thats a fitting description.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

I know theres a group of lads from the Claddagh who hang around back the west and sometimes down the long walk looking to cause trouble, they jumped a friend of a friend down there recently and gave him a pretty bad beating.

Sorry to hear about this OP, hope you get sorted.

RINO87

No more to report. Still cant eat as ive broken bones in my face, but the bruises are healing. Teeth are my biggest concern. Theyre in bits, cant be repaired for at least a month and are going to cost me a fortune. My job involves dealing with the public and looking neat and tidy, dont think my gob full of smashed teeth is going to go down too well there.

Braindead inbreeds kicking people in the face while theyre on the ground, and its just getting more common.

BhoscaCapall

ben.schlomo wrote: »

A lot of people are able to handle their drink and go out to enjoy themselves and not just get trolleyed as they have no tolerance for it

Precisely. Thank you for elaborating on what I've said, hopefully people will understand it.

deccurley

deccurley wrote: »

I know theres a group of lads from the Claddagh who hang around back the west and sometimes down the long walk looking to cause trouble, they jumped a friend of a friend down there recently and gave him a pretty bad beating.

Sorry to hear about this OP, hope you get sorted.

Sorry there now buddy, I live in Claddagh and there are no lads from here who go around looking to cause trouble.

I was from the last group to hang around the streets(Im 25 now) theres a few lads who are 20ish who kick football up the road from me, but theres no groups any younger than that anymore.

Your perception of where they are from might be in fact clouded by the area you saw these lads, for example in the ''Claddagh Park'' though lads come down from Westside and to a lesser extent the other side of town to bush there.

There's a group from ''The West''/Shantalla in the 20-25 age bracket who might still go bushing from time to time(inbetween Claddagh Park and Shantall), I only know 4/5 from this group to talk too but I wouldn't see any of them being the types for an unprovoked assault.

100% fact though the group you talk off are NOT from Claddagh.

Discodog

RINO87 wrote: »

Braindead inbreeds kicking people in the face while theyre on the ground, and its just getting more common.

Anyone kicking someone in the head, whilst they are on the ground, should be charged with attempted murder.

Placebo Effect

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Sorry there now buddy, I live in Claddagh and there are no lads from here who go around looking to cause trouble.

I was from the last group to hang around the streets(Im 25 now) theres a few lads who are 20ish who kick football up the road from me, but theres no groups any younger than that anymore.

Your perception of where they are from might be in fact clouded by the area you saw these lads, for example in the ''Claddagh Park'' though lads come down from Westside and to a lesser extent the other side of town to bush there.

There's a group from ''The West''/Shantalla in the 20-25 age bracket who might still go bushing from time to time(inbetween Claddagh Park and Shantall), I only know 4/5 from this group to talk too but I wouldn't see any of them being the types for an unprovoked assault.

100% fact though the group you talk off are NOT from Claddagh.

Well said..

bagels

Discodog wrote: »

Anyone kicking someone in the head, whilst they are on the ground, should be charged with attempted murder.

Well said

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Sorry there now buddy, I live in Claddagh and there are no lads from here who go around looking to cause trouble.

I was from the last group to hang around the streets(Im 25 now) theres a few lads who are 20ish who kick football up the road from me, but theres no groups any younger than that anymore.

Your perception of where they are from might be in fact clouded by the area you saw these lads, for example in the ''Claddagh Park'' though lads come down from Westside and to a lesser extent the other side of town to bush there.

There's a group from ''The West''/Shantalla in the 20-25 age bracket who might still go bushing from time to time(inbetween Claddagh Park and Shantall), I only know 4/5 from this group to talk too but I wouldn't see any of them being the types for an unprovoked assault.

100% fact though the group you talk off are NOT from Claddagh.

How did I know someone from Claddagh would read my comment and go off on one

I respect absolutely your right to defend the area that you come from, but I am telling you for an absolute fact, that at least 2 of these lads were living there last September anyway. Maybe they're not from there originally.

fishy fishy

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Sorry there now buddy, I live in Claddagh and there are no lads from here who go around looking to cause trouble.

I was from the last group to hang around the streets(Im 25 now) theres a few lads who are 20ish who kick football up the road from me, but theres no groups any younger than that anymore.

Your perception of where they are from might be in fact clouded by the area you saw these lads, for example in the ''Claddagh Park'' though lads come down from Westside and to a lesser extent the other side of town to bush there.

There's a group from ''The West''/Shantalla in the 20-25 age bracket who might still go bushing from time to time(inbetween Claddagh Park and Shantall), I only know 4/5 from this group to talk too but I wouldn't see any of them being the types for an unprovoked assault.

100% fact though the group you talk off are NOT from Claddagh.

how do you know they are not from Claddagh? Just because it is an old area does not mean new families have not moved in there in recent times. I see you have no problem laying blame on your neighbouring areas, but are adament it is not a "claddagh" group. Fact is, until these people are caught, nobody actually knows where they are from. Claddagh included.

fishy fishy

fishy fishy wrote: »

how do you know they are not from Claddagh? Just because it is an old area does not mean new families have not moved in there in recent times. I see you have no problem laying blame on your neighbouring areas, but are adament it is not a "claddagh" group. Fact is, until these people are caught, nobody actually knows where they are from. Claddagh included.

Because I know my area and I'd at least know the faces of most Galway folk this side of the Corrib.
Not laying blame at anyones door step, I have lots of friends from Westside and lived there before, but I know first hand that a lot of the younger generation from there hang around down the West(and are the most likely culprits in this sitiuation).

I actually didn't blame those lads from Shantalla/The West, but was pointing out they could be mistaken for ''Claddagh'' and are the only lads from between here and Shantalla who might hang around that area having a few drinks, then again as I said, I don't know anyone of that group to be like that.

How big do you think Claddagh is?... and have you any experience of the area?.
It's more like a small village than a suburb, and there are no Claddagh groups as the poster said.

Being from the area and around it regularly I think I'd know if any ''Claddagh groups'' were hanging around.

muppetkiller

I'd agree with gilberto_eire here, as a Man for 'The West' and living in the docks area there's no real scumbags living in the claddagh area.

I will say though that it's the first time in about 5 years where I've felt intimidated around the Spanish Arch area. Since the sun came out there have been a serious collection of utter scum all around the Wolftone Bridge area. Especially that little grass walk-way down to the Quay where they let the boats out. The Scum ladies were nicely dressed in Floresent Jump suits and the Scum boys in their finest Adidas varieties. When they weren't fighting and swearing at each other they were looking for trouble elsewhere. Carlsberg dont do stereotypes but if they did.....