Leaking Turbo on Peugeot 307 - need Advice!.. Row?!

black__bamboo

Hey there,

i have a 04 Peugeot 307 HDi which a bought at a dealer last August. Yesterday i failed the NCT due to a leaking turbo amongst other things and i am raging as i had brought it back to the dealer several times questioning the emissions system and was pretty much fobbed off. I am not a mechanic and have an embarrassing lack of knowledge about autos in general but i knew that little things were not right from the start, such as zero power on hills, cooling fan coming on ALL the time (like after five minutes of driving in winter), windows fogging up constantly and the smell of fumes in the cabin. brought it back to the dealer who explained the connection between the fan and the regeneration process, but was basically told to drive it harder in 4th gear and sent on my way. Then on Christmas Day last while driving on the M20 the engine light came on, car started to sputter and the anti-pollution fault message came on in the dash. Brought it back to the dealer after doing a bit of research on the internet and i specifically asked them if there was a problem with the FAP filter. Was told that the issue was resolved by a clean of the sensor and to come back for a 'clean out of the exhaust' if i had any further trouble. Granted the warning lights went away but the fan continued to come on regularly and my fuel economy took a nose dive. What i want to know is the cost or fixing a leaking turbo and if i have any comeback with this Sh*^^y dealer who did not take my complaints seriously while i was under warranty (3 months)? The NCT mechanic stated that the emissions were not making it to the exhaust and instead were being inhaled by me and my two kids whenever we turned on the heat. He also informed me that a grinding sound which occurs when i make a hard-right turn (and which i also had 'checked out' at the dealers many months prior to this) was actually my right wheel butting against the brake pipe which is an issue that could have lead my brakes to fail. Can i sue the dealer?! I don't want to over react but I'm hopping mad at this point... any advice please..

black__bamboo

Forgot to mention that it's just coming up to 72,000 miles on the clock..

Row

I'm guessing this is a 1.6 hdi you have..?

Sounds to me your dealer has seriously let you down and not stood by his 3 month warranty...:(
Not sure of the legal aspect but i would consider getting legal advice on the matter to see where you stand.

With the fan running on alot of the time and leaking gases from the top dpf to turbo clamp (i'm guessing) it sounds to me you may have a blocking/blocked dpf or/and one or more of the dpf related sensors have failed.
Get a second option from a good independent garage with good level diagnostic equipment to check what fault codes are logged and report back.

black__bamboo

Yes 1.6 engine. Bringing it to an independent garage on Monday. Not sure if I should be even driving it with the wheel grinding against brake pipe issue. What I don't understand is why the dealer mechanics did not diagnose the brake pipe problem even after I brought the grinding sound to their attention and why they did not see this leaking turbo. I'm presuming that a leaking Turbo was either leaking when I bought the car or the direct result of their incompetence with the previous issues. Like I said, with anti pollution warning and my telling them over and over about the fan coming on shouldn't they have figured that out? My warranty was already up when I went back to them with anti-pollution fault. Clearly I need to get my head around dealers as much as I need to get it around diesel engines :-/ !

Row

It sounds like the last person who replaced the brake pads/discs on your 307 bent the brake pipe maybe by letting the caliper hang on the brake
hose/pipe while they carried out the work....:eek:

You need to get hold of a good honest mechanic...Maybe post your location and there maybe someone here who can help or recommend someone who can..;)

black__bamboo

I am outside Blarney, Co. Cork. I have got a recommendation for an honest mechanic in Kerry Pike which is not too far from me. How good he is i don't know. I just recently moved to the area... thanks for yr help so far..will report back after Monday!

black__bamboo

Went to my local mechanic today. He pointed out to me a kink in the chassis above the brake pipe on driver's side. the brake pipe itself is in the correct position and not damaged, but has been buffed silver by the friction from my tyre. He mentioned that were it not for the kink, i might have busted the brake pipe already while driving. Mechanic guessed the problem might be with the top wishbone, but cannot say for certain what is causing everything to be slightly out of alignment on that side. It's a mystery to me how this happened as i have not had any accidents and neither has the car supposedly. can't believe that this problem was not identified by the dealer mechanic who took it in to solve the grinding issue. On top of this the turbo has a leaking valve and will have to be reconditioned. Called the dealer today and he told me to bring it in. I'm hoping they'll fess up to not sorting out the brake pipe issue when i brought it to them about it six months ago. will have to wait till i get to the dealer to find out if i have any faults logged...

Row

black__bamboo wrote: »

Went to my local mechanic today. He pointed out to me a kink in the chassis above the brake pipe on driver's side. the brake pipe itself is in the correct position and not damaged, but has been buffed silver by the friction from my tyre. He mentioned that were it not for the kink, i might have busted the brake pipe already while driving. Mechanic guessed the problem might be with the top wishbone, but cannot say for certain what is causing everything to be slightly out of alignment on that side. It's a mystery to me how this happened as i have not had any accidents and neither has the car supposedly. can't believe that this problem was not identified by the dealer mechanic who took it in to solve the grinding issue. On top of this the turbo has a leaking valve and will have to be reconditioned. Called the dealer today and he told me to bring it in. I'm hoping they'll fess up to not sorting out the brake pipe issue when i brought it to them about it six months ago. will have to wait till i get to the dealer to find out if i have any faults logged...

Thanks for the update....Not sure what valve could be leaking on the turbo...
Most of the time the top turbo to dpf clamp leaks.
The actuator rod on the turbo can also pass alittle soot.
let us know how you get on with the dealers..:)

Wheelnut

black__bamboo wrote: »

.... Mechanic guessed the problem might be with the top wishbone,...

I don't think it has a top wishbone, it has struts.

At 72k miles it probably needs the DPF fluid tank re-filled, about €100 to €150 which might explain why the dealer tried to wash out the exhaust filter rather than give you a re-fill. The lack of fluid would explain the anti-pollution warning light. It might also explain the fan running but that could also be due to a faulty exhaust sensor as Row pointed out, it's a weakness with those cars.

None of this explains the windows fogging up, that's another problem that could be anything from a blocked pollen filter to a dud heater matrix to broken control cables.

Over-all it's obvious that you need some competant advice and I'm not sure that your local mechanic is the best guy. Maybe you should check out the services of a professional organisation. I hear the AA mentioned but I don't know anything about them.

black__bamboo

Thanks guys..I'm heading to the dealer tomorrow and will follow up here. With local mechanic I stood with him underneath the car and he pointed out ther wishbone as something which might be causing the alignment to be off, resulting in the wheel buffing the brake pipe. Who know's what's causing that? - it's just his guess...
Pollen filter was cleaned before and that helped with the fogging but the problem returned again a few months later. Now I don't turn on the heat at all as I am now aware that I am inhaling Carbon monoxide from leaking turbo and I'm worried ...

black__bamboo

Man, are these dealings with the car dealer giving me a headache :mad: After i took the car back to them they simply agreed to do the brake pipe job for free and will charge me 250 euro total to repair what they said was a broken seal in the turbo. i have not spoken to the mechanic, just the receptionist/parts desk. When i confronted the owner of the garage re their prior negligence with the brake pipe issue his only response was that because i had previously brought that problem to them in on a Saturday, that i had been unlucky as the regular mechanics did not work Saturdays :eek: ! over a week later and they are still waiting on a part to come 'from up north'. when i asked them to let me know what exactly is on order and what exactly needs doing i was told that i would have to wait for another call after she (reception) had spoken to mechanic. Basically, i have to get past all this BS before i can find out what exactly went wrong with my car. :mad: At this point i am considering getting a second opinion from a dealer here in Cork..

black__bamboo

btw could it be possible that it's the anti-roll bar linkage that's causing the brake pipe chafing? I've seen that listed as a recall issue on older 307's. it's just odd that the tire has a corresponding buff/wear...

Row

black__bamboo wrote: »

btw could it be possible that it's the anti-roll bar linkage that's causing the brake pipe chafing? I've seen that listed as a recall issue on older 307's. it's just odd that the tire has a corresponding buff/wear...

I can't see why the anti-rollbar would cause the brake pipe to wear/cut..
Any decent mechanic should be able to see whats causing the brake pipe wear.....as for the worn tyres check bushings,drop links etc and get a 4 wheel alignment done.

As for the main dealers...i think there coming up with every excuse in the book...:rolleyes:

They should put up a sign "We cannot stand by work carried out on Saturdays due to the absence of our regular mechanics" :D

black__bamboo

Apparently the pinion needs replacing and the dealers have already taken two weeks trying to locate a used one. I was told that the pinion was 'going full circle'. How could that happen?

Row

black__bamboo wrote: »

Apparently the pinion needs replacing and the dealers have already taken two weeks trying to locate a used one. I was told that the pinion was 'going full circle'. How could that happen?

pinion.....Never heard of a pinion on any antiroll bar...

Here is the front anti rollbar on a 307...
were
(1)The linkage nut on the anti-roll bar
(2)The bush mounting bolt
(3)The anti-roll bar rubber mounting clamp

shamwari

I don't know about Pug's and Citroens, but with that engine in a Ford, that exhaust / turbo clamp has to be replaced if it is slackened in any way. It goes out of shape once it is loosened, and cannot clamp the exhaust properly thereafter - hence the leak of exhaust gases.

OP, have you been told or confirmed that your car actually has a DPF? The 90bhp 1.6's usually don't have one... If you've no DPF then you might just have something like a duff EGR valve - as well as the aforementioned leaky clamp.

black__bamboo

I don't get it either. They have obviously decided that a problem with the pinion in the steering rack is causing the buffing of the brake pipe. Like i said, i have no knowledge in this area, so i just have to take their word. All i know is I left it with them to fix the brake pipe issue and when i got it back the steering felt totally different like it was being tugged too much to the right. In the meantime they told me that in order to solve the brake pipe problem, i would need a new pinion

Thanks for the graphic btw. Appreciate that

black__bamboo

sorry, above post was answer to Row's..just saw your's now Shamwari Will confirm about DPF tomorrow..

Jimbob 83

Sounds like you are being led on a wild goose chase tbh, cowboys everywhere

Best of luck getting it sorted OP

black__bamboo

Was just told that a faulty pinion was pushing the brake pipe into contact with my tyre. Used Pinion was located and i'm booked in for the job on Monday. Have to wait till then to speak to the mechanic as i'm in Cork and they're in Co. Clare...

not sure if there is a DPF in my model. was told they came into the sport model in late 2004. All will be (forcibly) revealed on Monday ...;)

Row

black__bamboo wrote: »

not sure if there is a DPF in my model. was told they came into the sport model in late 2004.

pm/post me your vin number and i'll let you know..;)