French Charm? - French Bulldogs

crazyFeet

I'v been mad about these little muts for ages, and now finally when all the dog -friendly conditions have been sorted, Me and my girlfriend are looking for our new friend. My finger hurts f5'ing (refreshing) donedeal at this stage, can anyone point in the right direction? Pm please (email note)

ABajaninCork

Sorry to add to the zombie thread, but CrazyFeet - Have you tried getting in touch with the KC/IKC??

andreac

Dont go near donedeal for a pedigree dog for a start. Contact the ikc for a list of reputable breeders. Hope you have around 1500 to 2000 euro to spend as thats what puppies cost.

crazyFeet

I spoke to one of the breeders from Kildare i think yesterday. Yea, she told me the same about this breed, good pup will cost a fortune, so the saving starts. But in the meanwhile, still on the lookout for one anyway in case someone tool one but doesn't want it anymore or so on... I'm sure people understand 2k isn't easy to pull out even when it comes to this kind of matter unfortunately...

Now I've seen this add (i know, yes, donedeal)<snip>
The man selling the dog seems to be very serious, but then again something is not right here.

Hi
Am so happy you got back and your home happens to be a perfect place for Him.i know you might be thinking why i am giving him out for adoption,it’s because he was owned by my son named Ramson who was a sickle cell patient and passed away 2weeks ago and now Chico the puppy has been very lonely in the house and when i look at him i feel weak and all what i do is think of my late son Ramson ,as if that is not enough, my working condition does not permit me to reserve enough time to take care of Chico..so if you can provide this care to him by making him forget about my late Ramson and play as he use to then i will be very happy and great full.lastly i wish you will be updating me pictures of him monthly so that i see how you are doing with him if you don’t mind.
As on how you will be getting him will be via shipping ok,which will take about 9hrs
duration to get to your location,it will cost you a grand total of 250Euro and yes she has got all her shots from birth,which is from ISLE OF MEN UK to you location So i need the following from you:-

:-Full names
:-Country
:-State/city
:-Closest Airport to you
:-Post code
:-House Number/street number
:phone number

As soon as i have the delivery details I shall prepare the change of
ownership papers before taking the puppy to the delivery service for
registration and get ready for your home delivery . Do get back to me
with the details so can prepare the change of ownership papers in time
and do the registration with the delivery service any time of
your choice.You will have to pay 250Euro to the delivery company for
the delivery of puppy to your home. We will send all the relevant
paper works via the delivery service so you will be paying directly to
them and not to me because my main objective is for this puppy to have
a caring and lovely forever family home .You shall be contacted by the
delivery service shortly registration to let you know about the
departure time, arrival time and how you be paying for his flight
ticket so that they can get the puppy delivered over to you at your
doorstep.
Waiting to read from you once more.
Best regards

Smeefa

crazyFeet wrote: »

Now I've seen this add (i know, yes, donedeal)<snip>

Yeah thats a scam, don't reply or give any info to him!

ISDW

Its a well known scam, as Smeefa says, don't give him any information whatsoever, and definitely no money.

tk123

Was there a media blackout on this outbreak of sick/dying puppy owning children on the Isle of Man - all these scams seem to be from there recently.:rolleyes:

Reply back saying you've got a carvan over there and will come and pick up the pup so you can have a little holiday and see what he says lol.

OP from experience don't risk it. I'll never get another pup unless it's from a reputable breeder with all the scores and certs - the dogs not the breeder lol!:pac::pac:

El Guapo!

How could anyone fall for one of those scams??

ISDW

tk123 wrote: »

Was there a media blackout on this outbreak of sick/dying puppy owning children on the Isle of Man - all these scams seem to be from there recently.:rolleyes:

Reply back saying you've got a carvan over there and will come and pick up the pup so you can have a little holiday and see what he says lol.

OP from experience don't risk it. I'll never get another pup unless it's from a reputable breeder with all the scores and certs - the dogs not the breeder lol!:pac::pac:

Ah, but this one isn't on the Isle of Man, its the Isle of Men, completely different place altogether. Actually, with the census results showing there are now only 9.5 men for every 10 women in Ireland, would love to know exactly where it is:P I could pop over for a day trip, and pick the puppy up on the way back.

ABajaninCork

Maybe have a read of this OP:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056295154

Cherry Blossom

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Maybe have a read of this OP:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056295154

No puppies in any danger from the person the OP found, there are no puppies, never were, never will be. They don't exist

ABajaninCork

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

No puppies in any danger from the person the OP found, there are no puppies, never were, never will be. They don't exist

Yes, I'm aware of that. However the OP is looking for a pup, is he not? So I thought a read of the puppy farm thread might be of help!

Cherry Blossom

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Yes, I'm aware of that. However the OP is looking for a pup, is he not? So I thought a read of the puppy farm thread might be of help!

Apologies, I thought you might have meant that the person was of a dishonerable nature in a different context following the progression the thread took. I guess it's possible there may be one or two backyard breeders that have bred a litter of Frenchies, but they often need to be delivered by caesarian section which involves a lot of expense and extra care so they aren't really a breed that is going to be used as a money spinner for someone.

Tranceypoo

ISDW wrote: »

Ah, but this one isn't on the Isle of Man, its the Isle of Men, completely different place altogether. Actually, with the census results showing there are now only 9.5 men for every 10 women in Ireland, would love to know exactly where it is:P I could pop over for a day trip, and pick the puppy up on the way back.

The Isle of Men - it really did make me titter, what a marvellous place it must be, full of men and puppies - 2 of my favourite things!!

Delancey

That scam is widely used for car ' sales ' - didn't know that it had progressed to puppies.
Actually I find it difficult to have sympathy for morons who get taken in by it.

foxer3640

Surely you dont have to pay 2k for a pup nowadays with most people under so much financial pressure.... Its crazy. Whats wrong with buying a dog from done deal? Most of us didnt go to a mercedes garage to buy our first car. If people can only afford to buy a dog on done deal well then surely thats where they'll buy it. Just an observation.

SillyMangoX

Unfortunately yes, they are still that expensive despite the financial situation at the moment. Its not so much to do with the value of the dog but because they cant be born naturally due to the size of their head. C sections do cost a lot and the breeder needs to charge that much to cover costs. And while there is nothing wrong with buying a dog from done deal once you do your research, visit the litter, see the mother etc, its the main web site where unscrupulous puppy farmers and back yard breeders advertise their stock. A lot of reputable breeders wouldnt advertise there as they would already have waiting lists for their pups, some reputable breeders do advertise there, but more dont, so a lot of people would advise you to steer clear!

foxer3640

SillyMangoX wrote: »

Unfortunately yes, they are still that expensive despite the financial situation at the moment. Its not so much to do with the value of the dog but because they cant be born naturally due to the size of their head. C sections do cost a lot and the breeder needs to charge that much to cover costs. And while there is nothing wrong with buying a dog from done deal once you do your research, visit the litter, see the mother etc, its the main web site where unscrupulous puppy farmers and back yard breeders advertise their stock. A lot of reputable breeders wouldnt advertise there as they would already have waiting lists for their pups, some reputable breeders do advertise there, but more dont, so a lot of people would advise you to steer clear!

Thanks for the info i didnt realise they had unusual birthing issues.

Wibbs

Is it just me or is it a little worrying that we still have a breed that can't even reproduce naturally, has bad breathing, inadequate temperature regulation and skeletal issues among other things, because they're cute?:(

Bullseye1

Wibbs wrote: »

Is it just me or is it a little worrying that we still have a breed that can't even reproduce naturally, has bad breathing, inadequate temperature regulation and skeletal issues among other things, because they're cute?:(

I think it's outrageous. Sure I like the look of the Frenchie and Boston, not so much the Bulldog. But the fact that the bitch cannot give birth naturally is shocking. I'd never support that practice.

SillyMangoX

They are cute but my god I would never own one! Its all down to humans that breeds such as frenchies, bostons or English bulldogs exist, if it wasnt for us there is no way the breed would be able to sustain itself. Personally I like dogs who at least can do the minimum of natural activity ie. breed, whelp and even breath normally without surgical intervention (in some cases)

crazyFeet

well, yea, i knew it was a scam, but when you are hopelessly searching for something sometimes you just want to believe crap like that scam...

about the french breeders, i contacted a good few around the country, got loads of feedback and 'no donedeal' advice (funny enough shortly after that half of them including the priciest once were advertising on DD)

anyhow, i got a frenchie yesterday, he is 3 months old and his name is Cooper! this lil' guy came from a breeder in lithuania (did some research) and he has a passport and all the injections, cost me 650e all. in my opinion it is still a lot of money, not mentioning 2.8k that they charge in celtic kennels (breeder).

i tell you one thing, ever since i was a kid i used to spend time playn with frenchies at my friends house (mum was breeding them), this was a dog i wanted and wouldn't get any other, yes problems, many, but what about pugs? boston? bulldogs? boxsers? irish wolfhounds who have 7 years lifespan? didn't stop from breading those dogs, since Cezar times!

all in all, i love my Cooper, he is the best!

andreac

If you got the pup in Ireland, how do you mean it came from a breeder in Lithuania?? If the pup was bred in Lithuania, how come the person in Ireland was selling it now, it doesnt made sense??

Id be concerned as to why the pup only cost 650 to be honest. Did you get papers with the pup as it looks a lot older than 3 months to be honest..

crazyFeet

Well, he was bought with his two sisters and brought over here. The man i bought him off gave me his passport with dogs vaccines and other information. I brought the puppy to the vet today and she told me he is perfectly healthy and well. I asked the guy why is he selling the dog, to which his answer was that he needed a different kennel male to breed with his sisters, that didn't make much sense why the pup was here, but i presumed that he was aiming to make an extra buck (think he hoped for an easier sale).

All in all, yes, he is cheap if you compare to other pups, his dad is not Brad Pit and mom is not Angelina, but I don't think I really bother with that as I just need a friend, not an investment. Vet told me he is more than well, no problems with health and hopefully it will stay that way.

SaleAgreed

He's gorgeous, congrats on your new baby

**Off topic rant but - Just to add to what other have been saying, the reason alot of bitches need C sections is because of they way they have been bred down the years, i.e. for exaggeration purposes, to look a certain way - particularly with frenchies for a bigger head, stockier shoulders etc. It's not something that started out that way but as with majority of breeds, breeders will 'breed in' certain traits that are deemed desireable, that the evolution of the dog has not and will not catch up with - therefore you end up with a bitch trying to give birth to pups with heads and shoulders that do not fit out the birth canal. Where as if they were just left to their own devices, for want of a better description, the instance for C section would be much lower. They do not all need C sections, and a good breeder will match his dog and bitch carefully to limit the potential need for a C section.

tk123

crazyFeet wrote: »

All in all, yes, he is cheap if you compare to other pups, his dad is not Brad Pit and mom is not Angelina, but I don't think I really bother with that as I just need a friend, not an investment. Vet told me he is more than well, no problems with health and hopefully it will stay that way.

All I can think of now is a dog being called Brad Pitt - "here Brad Pitt!!" :pac:

Anyhoos don't just take the vets initial exam as gospel - whatever you do get the pup insured asap to be safe as you have no breeder for comeback if any issues crop up as the pup gets older. You need to have the pup insured as early as possible to be covered for anything that could be seen as genetic.

SaleAgreed

tk123 wrote: »

All I can think of now is a dog being called Brad Pitt - "here Brad Pitt!!" :pac:

Anyhoos don't just take the vets initial exam as gospel - whatever you do get the pup insured asap to be safe as you have no breeder for comeback if any issues crop up as the pup gets older. You need to have the pup insured as early as possible to be covered for anything that could be seen as genetic.

Agree 100% I put the insurance thing on the long finger, big mistake, my lil bud dislocated his knee cap a few weeks ago, cost me a fortune for the operation - not to mention vet visits for tummy bugs and respirtory (sp?) infections they get as puppies, pups so close to the ground, with little or no snout are more prone to picking up lil nasties - especially nosey parker breeds like the frenchie who are into everything!

Delancey

Must say Cooper is lovely though I concur with the opinion that he looks a lot older than 3 months.
2 breeds I would love to have are a French Bulldog and an Italian Greyhound - alas good examples of both from reputable breeders cost a fortune

crazyFeet

Delancey wrote: »

Must say Cooper is lovely though I concur with the opinion that he looks a lot older than 3 months.
2 breeds I would love to have are a French Bulldog and an Italian Greyhound - alas good examples of both from reputable breeders cost a fortune

in the passport it says
date of birth: 26.12.2011 (its his birthday today!!!)
the seller told me they had to write a month older in order to put him to quarantine when bringing over here, i have my doubts about that too now, as his teeth are growing like mad now and hurt a lot when he bits hard when playing, he chewed his bone all day, this makes me think now that he actually is 4 months as this is the age when they teeth, but is that bad? is it late getting a pup at that age?

crazyFeet

this might be a bit off topic, but pet insurance? i am going to read up on it, any quick advice tho?

tk123

crazyFeet wrote: »

this might be a bit off topic, but pet insurance? i am going to read up on it, any quick advice tho?

We're with Allianz - we just sign the form in the vets and they do all the paper work. Have a look around at the different companies and see what's covered, what the claim process is etc. I really hope your pup grows up healthy and problem free but (no offence here) the guy you got it from sounds like a puppy farmer/back yard breeder - you've gambled by getting the pup from him don't gamble now and skip the insurance. You never know when you might need it - my guy came from bad breeder and had to get operations on his legs - all covered by the insurance or I don't know where he'd be now.

andreac

crazyFeet wrote: »

in the passport it says
date of birth: 26.12.2011 (its his birthday today!!!)
the seller told me they had to write a month older in order to put him to quarantine when bringing over here, i have my doubts about that too now, as his teeth are growing like mad now and hurt a lot when he bits hard when playing, he chewed his bone all day, this makes me think now that he actually is 4 months as this is the age when they teeth, but is that bad? is it late getting a pup at that age?

Honestly? The whole thing sounds well dodgy if you ask me. God knows where that pup came from. Are you sure it came from Lithuania?? Is the passport actually stamped? Have you got the Kennel Club registration papers of the pup?

The whole thing sounds well suss and i would be very wary of this but i expect nothing less from donedeal anyway:mad:

There are no quarantine laws now here anymore so it all sounds like a pack of lies to be honest.

SaleAgreed

crazyFeet wrote: »

in the passport it says
date of birth: 26.12.2011 (its his birthday today!!!)
the seller told me they had to write a month older in order to put him to quarantine when bringing over here, i have my doubts about that too now, as his teeth are growing like mad now and hurt a lot when he bits hard when playing, he chewed his bone all day, this makes me think now that he actually is 4 months as this is the age when they teeth, but is that bad? is it late getting a pup at that age?

have any of his teeth fallen out or are they all new? Pig's teeth didnt fall out until he was 4 or 5 months old. If you have a pic of him put it up and i'll put up one of pig at 3 months and you can compare.

Either way, you have him now, its horrible to think they lied to you but what can you do

andreac

SaleAgreed wrote: »

have any of his teeth fallen out or are they all new? Pig's teeth didnt fall out until he was 4 or 5 months old. If you have a pic of him put it up and i'll put up one of pig at 3 months and you can compare.

Either way, you have him now, its horrible to think they lied to you but what can you do

Theres a video of him on this thread, i even said in one of my replies that the pup didnt look 3 months old...

SaleAgreed

andreac wrote: »

Theres a video of him on this thread, i even said in one of my replies that the pup didnt look 3 months old...

Its hard to tell by that vid, but he does look fairly big -Here's pig at 3 and a half months, all head and ears

crazyFeet

http://s1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii509/crazyfeet89/?action=view&current=VID_20120424_203202.mp4#!oZZ1QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs1257.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii509%2Fcrazyfeet89%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3DVID_20120425_094404.mp4

there are a few pics and couple vids, don't think you can see it there but i will take some more images of him later today and upload to photobucket album

the passport is legit and there are stamps in it, i took pics, will i put them up here or pm instead?

thank you all who has interest in this, it is important to me getting this input from everyone, it will benefit the puppy and me

andreac

Have you got the kennel clubs registration papers? You need these to transfer the ownership into your own name.

SaleAgreed

He is super cute, his ears really should be standing upright at this stage but this may be down to teething, are his ears red/ dry skin at all? Did you get to see his mum and/or dad? or any of the other pups? unless you plan to show him, the papers make no difference, did you get a generation cert of the breeder?

He looks like a happy little guy anyway

crazyFeet

Ok, i gave the munching bone and took a few shots, not sure if you can see much from them as it was quite tricky, his posing skills are still in development I will try however take some more when i get my friend to assist me by holding him right.

I spoke to the guy that sold me Coop, and he says there are no kennel papers (yeas were right), he said dog only has a passport (which I have here) and I can put my name down there myself if i want to, its only customs that check them when you travel, and it is vet stamps that they always check. I've called him twice since I got the dog and he seems quite ok with talking and discussing the dog, I do believe he is not dodgy, otherwise he wouldn't answer my call or just tell me to go and figure out myself (usual case)?

please check for the teeth pics on photobucket (link above)

andreac

crazyFeet wrote: »

Ok, i gave the munching bone and took a few shots, not sure if you can see much from them as it was quite tricky, his posing skills are still in development I will try however take some more when i get my friend to assist me by holding him right.

I spoke to the guy that sold me Coop, and he says there are no kennel papers (yeas were right), he said dog only has a passport (which I have here) and I can put my name down there myself if i want to, its only customs that check them when you travel, and it is vet stamps that they always check. I've called him twice since I got the dog and he seems quite ok with talking and discussing the dog, I do believe he is not dodgy, otherwise he wouldn't answer my call or just tell me to go and figure out myself (usual case)?

please check for the teeth pics on photobucket (link above)

To be honest i would not believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Was the pup advertised as being registered?? If so then he has lied to you. The pet passport counts for nothing really as anyone can get the passport for their dog. It indicates nothing other than the dog was microchipped and applied for by the vet.
Why wasnt the dog registered?? I would be querying this, its very strange. The whole thing sounds dodgy and i would be questioning what vaccinations etc the pup has had already as i dont believe what this breeder is telling you is legit.

dudmis

he is seriously cute ;-)

crazyFeet

andreac wrote: »

To be honest i would not believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Was the pup advertised as being registered?? If so then he has lied to you. The pet passport counts for nothing really as anyone can get the passport for their dog. It indicates nothing other than the dog was microchipped and applied for by the vet.
Why wasnt the dog registered?? I would be querying this, its very strange. The whole thing sounds dodgy and i would be questioning what vaccinations etc the pup has had already as i dont believe what this breeder is telling you is legit.

When i was buying him it only said he has chip, vaccines and eu passport, so i presumed he was from a kennel, I appologise it was my mistake.

I had a look at his ears, they are not dry or flaky, quite moist and silky, that's good right? My neighbor also told me his left ear is gone up a bit since yesterday, I thought it was only me thinking that this morning.

andreac

Its just very dodgy that someone would go to the trouble of importing a dog and not having it registered, it doesnt make sense if you ask me. Why would you pay money for that?

I really wouldnt believe that the pup has been imported at all, it just doesnt add up.

crazyFeet

andreac wrote: »

Its just very dodgy that someone would go to the trouble of importing a dog and not having it registered, it doesnt make sense if you ask me. Why would you pay money for that?

I really wouldnt believe that the pup has been imported at all, it just doesnt add up.

i have picture of the passport, the stamps and stuff, will i post them here or private?

SillyMangoX

He is super cute! But I agree with andreac, circumstances sound v dodgy. Im not one into scare mongering or anything but to me it sounds like a cover story. To a kennels, the pup wouldnt be worth importing without papers as he couldnt be shown or bred from so I find it hard to believe he was surplus to a kennels breeding plan. Are you 100% hes pure bred? Did you see the parents? Not just pics, actually seen them in person? If not it just screams puppy farm to me. They often place pups in family homes when the perspective buyers come, with stories like the mothers abandoning them or being the last pup left. Maybe having being imported is a new angle... Now I could be completely and utterly wrong and if so ill eat my words but I would tread carefully with him health wise and without a doubt get insurance. Best of luck to you and lil cooper, hes aw cute as a button!!

Cherry Blossom

crazyFeet wrote: »

i have picture of the passport, the stamps and stuff, will i post them here or private?

There is no need to post pictures of the passport, I'd be pretty sure that this fella has brought in a litter of non-reg Frenchies he got on the cheap for purposes of breeding them for profit. I'd guess we will see a load of ill-bred, non-reg Frenchies for sale as soon as these two come into heat, if they survive the complications of the birth that is.

*sigh*

andreac

crazyFeet wrote: »

i have picture of the passport, the stamps and stuff, will i post them here or private?

Theres no need to post them, they mean nothing really. Is the pup microchipped even?
I dont believe that pup was imported at all. Can you get details of this so called breeder in Lithuania and ask to contact them?
I would almost guarantee if you start putting pressure on this guy he will start to get agitated and refuse to deal with you.

Why would he go to the trouble of importing a pup, knowing it was related to the sisters when he wasnt going to breed from it?? Also why would he pay to import and get no papers for this pup, it wouldnt pay him to do that as it costs a fortune to get pups across europe so i dont believe for a second this puppy was imported.

SaleAgreed

From what I can see they look like baby teeth still, if hes mad to chew they will be falling out soon, by 6 months he should have few new ones. As long as he not at his ears with his paws or rubbing them of the carpet or walls, they should be grand, just keep them clean

I dont mean to take any good out of this for you, but he dosnt appear full bred, I think there is a bit of boston Terrier in there, the way his whole back is pretty much black is a bit of giveaway,the appearance of the head, and also his floppy ears.

But putting all that aside, you have him now, so enjoy puppyhood and watching him grow up, he really is so adorable

andreac

Sale agreed, i actually thought the very same about the Boston Terrier, his head looks very like a Boston to me but i wasnt sure whether to say it or not.

SillyMangoX

Yeah his colouring is definitely Boston and his cute wee face doesnt seem as squishy as a Frenchie. It wont take away from him being an absolutely fantastic little pet and companion but also may help other people learn from your experience and help people steer clear of unscrupulous breeders in this for money and not giving a damn about healthy pups who are excellent examples of the breed. Ps. If you need a babysitter, look no further :P

SaleAgreed

Either way, what's done is done. Cooper has a loving home now. I know how hard it is when you just want a lil puppy so bad, its so hard to walk away from their cute little faces.