Dog Not under control

Merch

I was recently at a park near me walking my dog,
I'm annoyed because while I was already in the park, I saw someone had just entered the park from another entrance with a Rottweiler, not on a leash, I had to walk the other way while they were still far enough away as I was uncertain what temperament the dog was so didnt take the chance as they would have no control of it if it decided to go for my dog. I based this as much on how the owners looked, so I had to come to the conclusion the dogs attitude may reflect its owners (unfortunately) but I erred on the side of caution anyway. I know Rottys can be very friendly and I know people with Staffs, but at the same time, like people, some dogs can be a55holes.

There were plenty of people sitting around mostly with kid in the part of the park i came from (opposite where they entered) and some kids football teams playing also. There were also other people with dogs mostly on leashes but all seemed to me to be under control. I noticed some other people walking dogs detouring around and away from them, a few with small dogs and another where two people had two bigger dogs seemed to avoid them.

I walked my dog in a more secluded part of the park but when I went to leave I could see these people and their dog at the entrance/exit I need to leave by, even if I went by another exit I would still have to pass them on the path eventually.
As I went up to the exit I could see their dog behind the gate noticed my dog, I could see now it wasnt wearing a muzzle, was now on a leash but was not being held, at one point the owner picked up the leash loosely but the dog again looked towards my dog and just pulled it out of her hand, not that the dog pulled so hard she lost the leash, just that she was chatting with her mates that it slipped through her fingers, I asked her would she take a hold of the leash and she just said, ahh she's fine, shes a ghood doggg.

Her dog may well be a good dog, but I have no way of knowing that and the owner would have no way of knowing how her dog would react to mine.
Mine is still quite young, can be exciteable and friendly and still doesnt seem to understand that while some dogs are friendly and playful, some dogs aren't and dont want to be played with (Its something I am concious of that other people dont know this and to prevent them from misunderstanding my dogs friendliness as attack I keep her under control).
I dont want people to misinterpret her playful friendliness (especially anyone with children or a buggy) as she does jump up even though she is a small to medium sized dog (about 10-11kg).

I have no idea how other dogs will interpret her being playful or simply if they will just attack. At times when I have met other dog owners walking their pets, her excitement has caused her to excite other dogs into a bit of barking, but it has only been with a few and then only bigger dogs.

I said to the woman that Rottys are meant to be muzzled, so she took the dog by the lead and made a joke of it with the people she was talking to and at least I was aware it was now being held, she was a bit smart about it and I wasn't acting ratty with her as I didnt want to give her an excuse to be difficult, but to be honest i felt like calling a dog warden except I didnt have a number and it might be a waste of their time as the person would be gone by the time they got there, if at all.

I dont really want to cause the place to be overrun with dog wardens as I let my dog off the leash to run up and down a secluded field at the back and have seen plenty of others off the leash but (mostly) not bothering people or looking intimidating.

I'm annoyed at the attitude as they just didnt give fcuk, it was completely inconsiderate.

Dog owners that dont give a fcuk about keeping their dogs under control and trying to assert a right to walk their dog wherever they want but not considering others (dogs/dog owners/other people) regardless of who is around or simply letting it roam free are their and others dogs and their owners worst enemies.

I would prefer even if was off the leash that at least it was muzzled, even if it went for my dog or me, I would stand some kind of chance of holding it back if it couldnt manage to bite me or my dog.

Do dog wardens respond quickly to such restricted dogs, being unmuzzled?

andreac

What exactly did the dog do to make you think that something was about to happen?
Looks like nothing actually happened so not sure what the problem is to be honest. The owner had the dog by the lead in the end so its not like the dog came over to yours, i really dont see a problem here

So just because you think a dog looks intimidating theres an issue?

The dog did nothing wrong here, bar look at your dog so it seems like you are being a bit dramatic about your whole dealing with this. Nothing happened, nor did it seem like anything was going to happen. Would you have been the same if it was a Labrador or collie off the lead??

tk123

TBH it sounds like she WAS in control of the dog knowing that it wouldn't react to your dog in the slightest, run off, bother anyone. Is the issue is that the dog wasn't muzzled and on a short lead? Do you want all dogs to be on a lead around your dog because you're not sure how they'll react to her?!

Sounds like you need to do more socialisation tbh - for both the dog and yourself so you can read body language a bit better? You missed an opportunity imo for the pup to meet with a bigger dog?

When i see a Rotty, i need to be kept under control as i just want to run over and hug them.
I used to walk one that lived in the Vets i was working in. He was a rescue and a big big boy. I lived at home at the time and was unable to take him. I would walk him and people would cross the street when they saw him which i always thought was odd.

With regards to this case, there are always going to be barneys between dog owners. I had somebody give out to me about keeping my dog under control, my dog was on a lead and theirs wasnt. I even tried to avoid them but their dogs ran at me.

In your case, i am not sure what has happened really.

doctor evil

One rule for all, not just those that look a bit rough.

Karlitto

Quite frankly, the "dangerous dogs list" is a crock of ****e cooked up by some twat that has watched far too much TV.

I have met many Rotties in my time (and will be getting a bitch in June), and I put them at a much more dosile level than most labradors. The thing to remember is, (and you are right) dogs are a direct reflection of their owner. You treat a dog badly, it will behave badly, you take the time to treat the dog well, give it attention and train it, you will have a greatly behaved dog.

The reason I mention about "tv" is, any film you see with a "gaurd" dog or an "aggresive" dog, they are generally Rotties, doberman, german shepards, pitbulls etc. All dogs are the same, depending on how they are brought up will determin how they behave.

I find, that most of the larger dog breeds are the friendlier dogs, and the small dogs, such as yorkshire terriers for example, are the more mouthy "aggresive" dogs. I don't like using the term aggresive, as it is misleading. In my view, and "aggresive" dog, is a dog that bites....not barks. Far too many people class a dog as "aggresive" if it sits there barking at people or dogs....

Ask people why these large breeds need a muzzle and you will find the answer "because of the damage they can do", well, this brings two questions to light, 1) why are the newfoundlands, german shepards, great danes not on this list, they are bigger and can do more damage right? And 2) what about the small barky dogs? Surley they can still bite.. this is just saying that a bite from a small dog is allowed, but not a larger dog.

I don't agree with muzzling any dog unless it is aggressive as the result of having being treated poorly (which it can be trained out of)


Now, to get more to your post, what park was it in? Was it by any chance Castletown in Celbridge?

And to be honest, I can see your opinion of a "good" dog is completely warped. You are instilling fear in your own dog if you are taking him/her away from other dogs. You are saying that "this dog is dangerous", hence why people who pick their dogs up when another dog approaches annoys me so much.

Don't get me wrong, I know your dog is still quite young, and it needs to learn. If it wants to go play with another dog, let it, if it is being too jumpy or annoying to the other dog, the other dog will let it know, this doesnt mean the other dog is going to kill yours...

You need to socialize your dog with every other kind of dog out there, big, small, old, young, male and female, otherwise your dog can develop insecurities.

Anyway, the Rottie did nothing wrong, and you were just being too paranoid. If that was my dog, and you said to me that she wasn't on a muzzle, I would tell you quite swiftly where to **** off to. If the dog is under control, whats the problem?

Rottwielers in Ireland are totally misunderstood.

ShaShaBear

You got close enough to speak to the owner and the dog still didn't attack yours?
What exactly is the problem?

ISDW

Karlitto wrote: »

Quite frankly, the "dangerous dogs list" is a crock of ****e cooked up by some twat that has watched far too much TV.

Sorry, I know its been said on here time and time and time again, but there is no such thing as a Dangerous Dogs List in Ireland. There is a Restricted Breeds list - semantics yes, but by using the wrong words, it helps to perpetuate fear.

Zulu

...so basically, you got your knickers in a bunch because you didn't like the look of them.

Says more about you really OP.

Karlitto

ISDW wrote: »

Karlitto wrote: »

Quite frankly, the "dangerous dogs list" is a crock of ****e cooked up by some twat that has watched far too much TV.

Sorry, I know its been said on here time and time and time again, but there is no such thing as a Dangerous Dogs List in Ireland. There is a Restricted Breeds list - semantics yes, but by using the wrong words, it helps to perpetuate fear.

Ah yes. Thats true.

But still, crock of ****. And the dangerous dogs list in the uk too:)

Blogger50

The discussion on restricted breeds has been done on this forum time and time again and to be honest its getting boring hearing the same "horror" stories of peoples "encounters" with RBs.:rolleyes:

The posters above me have said all I would have said in defense of RBs.

But.......I have read and re-read your post and to be honest I can't see the issue here other than your warped perception of rotties and restricted breed owners in general.

I am sorry to be so blunt but your post reeks of self righteousness and prejudice towards restricted breeds.

Maybe you should read up about RBs and maybe try to meet some. If not I suggest you start walking your dog in the middle of the night

andreac

Merch wrote: »

I'm annoyed at the attitude as they just didnt give fcuk, it was completely inconsiderate.

Dog owners that dont give a fcuk about keeping their dogs under control and trying to assert a right to walk their dog wherever they want but not considering others (dogs/dog owners/other people) regardless of who is around or simply letting it roam free are their and others dogs and their owners worst enemies.
I would prefer even if was off the leash that at least it was muzzled, even if it went for my dog or me, I would stand some kind of chance of holding it back if it couldnt manage to bite me or my dog.

Do dog wardens respond quickly to such restricted dogs, being unmuzzled?

Ive read your post again and i really cant fathom your reaction on this whole situation.
How were they being inconsiderate, please explain that one as i just cant see where these people were being inconsiderate by walking their dog in the park and having it beside them??

Firstly, how on earth did you come to the conclusion that the people didnt give a "fcuk" as you put it? They held onto the dog and it didnt come near you.
They werent doing anything wrong and they can walk their dog where they like, god you seem to have a major problem just because of the breed it is.

They werent letting the dog roam free, they were beside it, it was on a lead, so again, what is the issue here?

Even when it was offlead for a bit, did it bother anyone? Attack or bite anyone? Run up to any dog, or your dog?? no, so again, what on earth is the issue here??

You are the one in the wrong here as you said yourself, your judgement was decided on how the owner looked so obviously in your opinion the dog must be aggressive too because you didnt like the look of the owner, really pathetic and we wonder why these fantastic dogs have a bad rep when people like yourself come to your own conclusions just because on how you think it looks...:mad:

OldNotWIse

I think it's very self righteous (and irritating) for someone to approach another person and point out the law to them. Also, OP you talk about how your dog "excites" others and you were worried that it might excite the rottie and you wouldnt be sure how the rottie would react? Come on, you're basically saying that the other owner should be accountable for her dogs actions, but you should not be accountable for yours? I have a JRT that I walk in a park where a lot of other dogs are off leash and there are very few children (its great!) and I know she has the type of personality that means she will approach other dogs wishing to play. This is usually not a problem (as dogs who are off leash tend to be ok, thats why they are off in the first place) but sometimes she will be aggressive with them and they retaliate and she doesn't know how to deal with the situation. This is MY problem, not the problem of the owner who's dog has retaliated. So if your dog is appriaching or exciting other dogs and you do not want to see them reacting to him/her then keep control so that he/she does not approach in the first place. It's like allowing your child to stick his arm into the lion cage and then complaining when he loses an arm. Your dog should be socialised and trained well enough to know how to approach other dogs and if not, you have to be willing to deal with the consequences.

User Friendly

OP

I have a restricted breed,unlike the people you met,i keep my one on a leash at all times,unless!i see people in the distance and when i approach other dogs with or without owners.
and for for its worth,my little baby wouldnt hurt a fly:cool: but i respect your space and distance.

gud4u

User Friendly wrote: »

OP

I have a restricted breed,unlike the people you met,i keep my one on a leash at all times,unless!i see people in the distance and when i approach other dogs with or without owners.
and for for its worth,my little baby wouldnt hurt a fly:cool: but i respect your space and distance.

All the other posts say it all, but in particular this ^^^.

Unfortunately, the concensus is that RBs will be mixed up with Dangerous Dogs, does that list even exist.

The negative attitude of others will not be changing anytime soon, so, tolerence to their ignorance is all that can be achieved. But hopefully I'm wrong.

gud4u

Merch wrote: »

I was recently at a park near me walking my dog,
I'm annoyed because while I was already in the park, I saw someone had just entered the park from another entrance with a Rottweiler, not on a leash, I had to walk the other way while they were still far enough away as I was uncertain what temperament the dog was so didnt take the chance as they would have no control of it if it decided to go for my dog. I based this as much on how the owners looked, so I had to come to the conclusion the dogs attitude may reflect its owners (unfortunately) but I erred on the side of caution anyway. I know Rottys can be very friendly and I know people with Staffs, but at the same time, like people, some dogs can be a55holes.

Have to say I reread this just to be sure, tobesure...

Two things come to mind,

1. I have had a similar experience, 4-5 hoodie teens and 2 rotties in a town park, they were minding their own business, standing around talking. But it was the teens I was wary of, not the dogs, even though they looked at me and my dog. They were hanging around an area of the park non dog users would want to use, a fitness area, there was no reason for them to be there and they had the whole park to choose from.
My basis of fear is from watching too many horror movies with where teens go berserk and kill everyone...I really shouldn't feed my overactive imagination.

OP, Is it that you were more intimidated by the group than the actual dog?

2. Will your dog eventually reflect your fears or react to your nervousness around gangs of people you don't like. Again, this is a thing that happened me with a previous dog, a GSD, he picked up on my nervousness and would be vicious towards others. I'm not trying to be sarcastic with you.

A group of approx 18-20 year olds stopped me yesterday on the beach to say hi to my rottie pup, one of them, a little thuggish looking said he has stopped walking his Staffies in public because he gets too much grief. Now he goes to the beach early morning or on the road at night.

So, If dogs reflect their owners, I guess mine will be right arseh0les at times, because unlike the rest of the population, I, in actual fact, am not perfect.:cool:

Merch

andreac wrote: »

What exactly did the dog do to make you think that something was about to happen?
Looks like nothing actually happened so not sure what the problem is to be honest. The owner had the dog by the lead in the end so its not like the dog came over to yours, i really dont see a problem here

So just because you think a dog looks intimidating theres an issue?

The dog did nothing wrong here, bar look at your dog so it seems like you are being a bit dramatic about your whole dealing with this. Nothing happened, nor did it seem like anything was going to happen. Would you have been the same if it was a Labrador or collie off the lead??

Look, you clarly didnt read the post, the dog was not on a lead and didnt have a muzzle on when I saw it first, THAT is the law! the dog was not under control as the owner, when they had the lead let it slip through her hand, she wasnt paying damn all attention to the dog. As it happens the dog didnt do anything aggressive, but that is up to the owner to make clear by definite actions, like keeping the dog under control, it was not under control.

tk123 wrote: »

TBH it sounds like she WAS in control of the dog knowing that it wouldn't react to your dog in the slightest, run off, bother anyone. Is the issue is that the dog wasn't muzzled and on a short lead? Do you want all dogs to be on a lead around your dog because you're not sure how they'll react to her?!

Sounds like you need to do more socialisation tbh - for both the dog and yourself so you can read body language a bit better? You missed an opportunity imo for the pup to meet with a bigger dog?

I did bring my dog to puppy socialisation, she loved it, I dont want all dogs to be on leads, as I said I dont like the idea of a warden enforcing that, but the stance of the dog gave me the impression it could be aggressive, it was high up on its forelegs and its neck stretched and its head was actively looking around. It appeared to me to be at the spur of running at anything or anyone.

ShaShaBear wrote: »

You got close enough to speak to the owner and the dog still didn't attack yours?
What exactly is the problem?

I thought I said, it was behind a gate, maybe I didnt make that clear, at the exit of all the parks me the pedestrian gates have those swing gates to allow buggys access but not allow a scooter/motorbike.
Their dog was on the other side and approached in a way I determined might mean it would attack my dog if we went through.


Contrast this with my walk today, different park, I came across loads of dog owners, not all on leads but none agressive looking, I even came across a bloke with 2 rottweillers, I was concerned when I saw them due to my experience the other day, he had two dogs, neither on a leash and neither muzzled, but he could give them commands and they obeyed, he made it very clear he was standing back from a bridge when crossing and both his dogs were sitting to attention waiting for a person to cross and I saw him do this a number of times avoiding or keeping control, I actually wanted to ask him how he trained his dogs/using what method, except he was enjoying his walk and making it clear that he was definitively avoiding contact with other dogs, Im sure not because he was concerned about the control he had on his dogs, but everyone else was able to enjoy their walks anyway dog owner or not. I havent seen anything like that ever. He was making it clear not only that he was in control of them but also that he made this very obvious/clear to everyone else either walkers with children/or dogs.

Contrasted to what I experienced in the other park, the differences were blatant, so obvious to even the most inexperienced with dogs that there is a difference, and it easy to tell when someone isnt paying attention to their dog or could care less how they approach people, personally I wouldnt want be lying down in the grass and find a Rotty standing over me with no owner present, that seems like a natural reaction.

gud4u

So is it just the person you have a problem with, because I can understand that. Like you said, the guy you met today showed discipline and training with his Rotties.

If you think the person from the other day is too irresponsible to have a rottweiller then you could let the warden know, but as there was no harm done and the dog didn't do anything, would there be any point. Again, just trying to understand, not jump to conclusions or be sarcastic, it's hard on a screen.

ISDW

Merch wrote: »

Contrasted to what I experienced in the other park, the differences were blatant, so obvious to even the most inexperienced with dogs that there is a difference, and it easy to tell when someone isnt paying attention to their dog or could care less how they approach people, personally I wouldnt want be lying down in the grass and find a Rotty standing over me with no owner present, that seems like a natural reaction.

So would you be okay in that position with a Great Dane?

andreac

Merch wrote: »

Look, you clarly didnt read the post, the dog was not on a lead and didnt have a muzzle on when I saw it first, THAT is the law! the dog was not under control as the owner, when they had the lead let it slip through her hand, she wasnt paying damn all attention to the dog. As it happens the dog didnt do anything aggressive, but that is up to the owner to make clear by definite actions, like keeping the dog under control, it was not under control.

I did bring my dog to puppy socialisation, she loved it, I dont want all dogs to be on leads, as I said I dont like the idea of a warden enforcing that, but the stance of the dog gave me the impression it could be aggressive, it was high up on its forelegs and its neck stretched and its head was actively looking around. It appeared to me to be at the spur of running at anything or anyone.

I thought I said, it was behind a gate, maybe I didnt make that clear, at the exit of all the parks me the pedestrian gates have those swing gates to allow buggys access but not allow a scooter/motorbike.
Their dog was on the other side and approached in a way I determined might mean it would attack my dog if we went through.



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I did read your post, i even quoted it:rolleyes:

You have changed your story now to make the dog look aggressive:mad: It wasnt anything like that in your first post, but now all of a sudden, it was up on its hind legs etc, etc.

In the first post the dog never approached you, and the lead only slipped from her hand but the dog didnt move, but now it does move to you aggressively, which is it??

In your first post the dog was under control, even when it was off lead. It wasnt doing anything to warrant otherwise. The dog was beside the owner, as you stated and "looked" at your dog, that is all.
Dogs can be under control off the lead you know.

This is what you actually wrote in your first post:

As I went up to the exit I could see their dog behind the gate noticed my dog, I could see now it wasnt wearing a muzzle, was now on a leash but was not being held, at one point the owner picked up the leash loosely but the dog again looked towards my dog and just pulled it out of her hand, not that the dog pulled so hard she lost the leash, just that she was chatting with her mates that it slipped through her fingers, I asked her would she take a hold of the leash and she just said, ahh she's fine, shes a ghood doggg

I think you are changing your story so you dont look like someone who has completely over reacted to a situation and to be someone who is prejudice against certain breeds of dogs like Rottweilers, just because how they look.:rolleyes:

John_Rambo

Merch wrote: »

I said to the woman that Rottys are meant to be muzzled

I used to have two dogs. Sometimes I would go in to the park with both of them, me with one and a girl with the other dog. I'd hang back and lock up, the girl would head off with the other dog. On a few occasions men would demand that the dog with the girl be put on a lead (off lead is allowed during certain hours in this park for unlisted dogs)!! The same men would stroll by me and my offlead dog without a peep!

Merch

andreac wrote: »

Merch wrote: »

Look, you clarly didnt read the post, the dog was not on a lead and didnt have a muzzle on when I saw it first, THAT is the law! the dog was not under control as the owner, when they had the lead let it slip through her hand, she wasnt paying damn all attention to the dog. As it happens the dog didnt do anything aggressive, but that is up to the owner to make clear by definite actions, like keeping the dog under control, it was not under control.

I did bring my dog to puppy socialisation, she loved it, I dont want all dogs to be on leads, as I said I dont like the idea of a warden enforcing that, but the stance of the dog gave me the impression it could be aggressive, it was high up on its forelegs and its neck stretched and its head was actively looking around. It appeared to me to be at the spur of running at anything or anyone.

I thought I said, it was behind a gate, maybe I didnt make that clear, at the exit of all the parks me the pedestrian gates have those swing gates to allow buggys access but not allow a scooter/motorbike.
Their dog was on the other side and approached in a way I determined might mean it would attack my dog if we went through.



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I did read your post, i even quoted it:rolleyes:

You have changed your story now to make the dog look aggressive:mad: It wasnt anything like that in your first post, but now all of a sudden, it was up on its hind legs etc, etc.

In the first post the dog never approached you, and the lead only slipped from her hand but the dog didnt move, but now it does move to you aggressively, which is it??

In your first post the dog was under control, even when it was off lead. It wasnt doing anything to warrant otherwise. The dog was beside the owner, as you stated and "looked" at your dog, that is all.
Dogs can be under control off the lead you know.

This is what you actually wrote in your first post:

As I went up to the exit I could see their dog behind the gate noticed my dog, I could see now it wasnt wearing a muzzle, was now on a leash but was not being held, at one point the owner picked up the leash loosely but the dog again looked towards my dog and just pulled it out of her hand, not that the dog pulled so hard she lost the leash, just that she was chatting with her mates that it slipped through her fingers, I asked her would she take a hold of the leash and she just said, ahh she's fine, shes a ghood doggg

I think you are changing your story so you dont look like someone who has completely over reacted to a situation and to be someone who is prejudice against certain breeds of dogs like Rottweilers, just because how they look.:rolleyes:

Look, I was there, i know what happened, I dont have a prejudice against breeds like Rotties, if you read my last post you would see that, its more against the idiotic owners that think they can do as they please. I know people with Staffs and they are misunderstood in my opinion but that is as much as how the owners behaves as the dog.
The dog was not under control, the owner was chatting away and didnt give a toss where the dog was, the owner wasnt on her own (i didnt mention that or every minutae of what happened but it doesnt make it untrue), at one point, the group that was with the dog split, and the dog was about 50 metres from either, one being a guy and another being the woman, and a girl with a buggy, NONE of them were looking at the dog or paying any attention to it, if they did not know what it was doing, then it was not under their control.
Wasting my time here really, it seems the attitude is to harrass someone till they leave so you win, cant be bothered wasting my time, cant see how you dont you realise that its attitudes like those here, the do as I please regardless of how it affects other people or what they think that affects ALL dog owners and perceptions by the public generally of certain dogs.
The differences of my experience when out today when I met two rottys and the other day was the attitude of the owner

It was clear he had consideration for others and could control his dogs.

Outta here

John_Rambo

So, nothing happened then? OK.

Merch

John_Rambo wrote: »

So, nothing happened then? OK.

??

andreac

Bu the dog didnt actually do anything, other than be a dog?

I really cant see what the issue is here and neither can anyone else so does that not tell you something?

John_Rambo

Merch wrote: »

??

There was a rottweiler, off the lead, unmuzzled and nothing happened. You are cementing the idea that the list of dogs law is silly!

Merch

andreac wrote: »

Bu the dog didnt actually do anything, other than be a dog?

I really cant see what the issue is here and neither can anyone else so does that not tell you something?

yes it tells me, its the owners with the problem, the militant attitude here confirms that, dogs should be under control, more so for those on the restricted list

John_Rambo wrote: »

There was a rottweiler, off the lead, unmuzzled and nothing happened. You are cementing the idea that the list of dogs law is silly!

Firsts sentence, which day? I had two different experiences, the experience on the second day (today) confirms that the rotty on day one was not under control, what i saw today was two dogs under control, I'll reiterate what I said above, it comes down to the owners. If i saw those two rottys i saw today ever again, I would have absolutely no concerns even if they were out of sight of the owner, which i find unlikely, the first rotty I saw clearly had no training, maybe a great pet but who knows how it will react to those outside its pack?

Second sentence, what list of dogs law??? wtf is that, do you mean the restricted breeds list?? I am cementing no such idea, its the law the dogs on that list should be muzzled, on a leash under 2 metres and under control of a person over 16 years and its not unreasonable, they can be big powerful dogs, most people I have seen have not been in control of such dogs, either people to young/not big enough to control them or those old enough but without the sense to control them.

No doubt the law that covers restricted breeds does so to cover the worst possible eventuality, and no doubt lots of dogs on that list are loving pets and as good with strangers as those they know, I actually know that from my own experience. If that dog was a lab, I wouldnt have been as concerned, even if it was vicious I would have considered it possible to stand a chance against, as the rotty i wrote this post about was quite big, stocky as most I have seen and if it was intent I would have had serious trouble doing anything to stop it attack me or my dog, that is why the law is there.

I suggest not replying, I have asked a MOD to close this thread, dissapointed with the militant views.
As a dog owner, cant see how those of you who love your dogs ( I assume from the replies that some are on the restricted list, dogs I myself have considered as pets, staffs and alsations) cannot see that the best thing to improve the perception of people who dont own these dogs currently is to make it obvious they are under that owners control, not making that clear regardless of whether they are on the restricted list or not (but more importantly if they are) is a reflection (a poor one) on the owner but worse for the dog, as it may end in it being put down.

John_Rambo

Merch wrote: »

what list of dogs law??? wtf is that, do you mean the restricted breeds list??

Of course, what other lists are you aware of?

Do you bring ID with you?

rainbowtrout

Merch wrote: »

Firsts sentence, which day? I had two different experiences, the experience on the second day (today) confirms that the rotty on day one was not under control, what i saw today was two dogs under control, I'll reiterate what I said above, it comes down to the owners. If i saw those two rottys i saw today ever again, I would have absolutely no concerns even if they were out of sight of the owner, which i find unlikely, the first rotty I saw clearly had no training, maybe a great pet but who knows how it will react to those outside its pack?

It confirms nothing. You saw a guy today and heard him give his dogs some commands, so therefore those dogs are under control. You saw a dog yesterday and didn't hear the owner give it any command so therefore by your deduction that dog was not under control. You also changed your story because no one here agreed with you, and you didn't get the reaction you were hoping for.

I have two dogs - JRTs, one I cannot have off the lead, he is the type that will trot along some days without a care in the world and ignore people and another day will run up to someone and start barking at them, so he stays on the lead. The other can walk off lead without any hassle, I don't have to keep calling out commands for her to be under control when on a walk. However by your definition of control, her trotting along minding her own business would be a dog that isn't under control because I'm not constantly giving her commands that can be heard.

Cherry Blossom

Merch wrote: »

I suggest not replying, I have asked a MOD to close this thread, dissapointed with the militant views.

You can't just request a thread be closed because you don't like the opinions you have been given.

However I suggest that all posters tone down the people aggression that is coming across on this thread or it will be locked if it continues to be contentious.

Merch

Its my post/thread, its not because I dont like the replies, its the militant and vitriolic attitude of the replies.

I was there, i know what happened, I didnt describe in minute detail as it would take too long, I know what the dog showed at the time and I know the owner was not in control in accordance with the law regarding the resticted breeds list.

Are you the Moderator of this forum? are you telling me that the law matters nothing in regard to the restricted breeds list, if thats so, can you pass me on to a higher power so I can inform them you think so.

foxer3640

I agree with op. I'm surprised at the negative posts when the law clearly states that rotties should be muzzled and leashed in public... end of. A lot of the posters here seem to have forgotten that.

gud4u

foxer3640 wrote: »

I agree with op. I'm surprised at the negative posts when the law clearly states that rotties should be muzzled and leashed in public... end of. A lot of the posters here seem to have forgotten that.

It's the flaunting of the law that'a the issue here, it makes it harder for the responsible owners who are in control of their dogs.

Should something happen to anybody due to the negligence of one owner the law will fall hard on all RB owners. It's lenient now, but there could come a time when it will be rigidly enforced, and it's people like the person the OP is describing that will work towards such measures.

Respect the law or at least don't push it's boundaries.

Merch

I appreciate the last few responses,
I'm in Dublin myself, perhaps having worked with plenty of people from across the country I've heard the kind of things that can happen with uncontrolled dogs, and the suprising things they can get up to on their own, maybe thats relevant, maybe not.
but I'll hazard a guess that most people (and i'd stand open to be corrected) are in a City somewhere?
either way my concern is not just selfishly for me and my dog, but dog owners generally.

I shall not reply here (this thread) again, I am suprised how this thread progressed, some of you may be happy to hear I shall not post in this forum again.

Cherry Blossom

Merch wrote: »

Its my post/thread, its not because I dont like the replies, its the militant and vitriolic attitude of the replies.

That issue has been addressed in my post, this is a public forum for the purpose of discussion. You are not obliged to continue to post on the thread if you do not wish to.

Merch wrote: »

Are you the Moderator of this forum? are you telling me that the law matters nothing in regard to the restricted breeds list, if thats so, can you pass me on to a higher power so I can inform them you think so.

My post has nothing do with the subject matter, it's the result of your request for moderation of this thread. The thread does not warrant being locked. If you have any further issues I suggest you report the posts without posting accusations and abuse directed at other posters.

Do not reply to this post, if you wish to continue this then do so by PM.

TheBegotten

To be honest, i find that (in general) the bigger the dog is, the calmer it is. At various stages, I've had a german shepard and a mostly sheepdog beagle-sized mutt. The german sheperd was much better behaved on walks and never showed any aggresion. Its the terriers (in general) that are the problem. If they were kept on leads by their over protective owners, then incidents between dogs would be much less common.

Bullseye1

As an owner of a RB I prefer to walk her off lead but I always put her on the lead when another person is approaching or if another person is approaching with their dog on the lead. You just don't know how well the other dog is going to behalve or how the other person is around other dogs besides their own.

It's actually quite common to meet other dog owners who are afraid of other peoples dogs.

Just today I came across a woman who was walking her small terrier type dog on the lead so I put my girl on the lead and as we were walking by each other her dog goes ape and attempts to get at my dog. In my experiance always the small dogs which cause the trouble. They have a Napolean complex.

John_Rambo

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gud4u

OP,

I hope you feel you can post here again as there is some great advice to be had.

Your experience with the dog in question was unfortunate. I too have a JRT that thinks it's a giant, she will get really noisy if I'm walking her with any of the other dogs, sticks her chest out and goes out front, but if she's on her own with me, there's no such behaviour. I never let her off lead as she will not come back either.

As i'm socialising my Rottie pup now, when people want to pet him, I show them how and tell them he's in training, and show them how to pet him. I also explain that, while all dogs can scratch or nip, either one from an RB will result in the person probably saying they were savaged by a rottweiler. That is what we want to avoid.

The man you saw with the two rotts off lead and giving commands etc, was actually more in breach of the law than the previous days owner. She at least had a lead even if it was out of her hand. It's the attitude that made you feel at ease. I have 3 RBs and a JRT, I respect that not everyone likes any or either of my dogs. I only have the rotts off lead in a field I know they're safe in.

Any RB owner should know that a lead and possibly muzzle are your insurance, should anything happen. You could drive without insurance, but to go down the road with no tax, safety belt and bald tyres would be just pushing it a tad too far.

Even on the beach with my pup or old rotti you might think they're sitting beside me off lead and i'm reading, but they're attached to my foot. A neighbour had to fork out €6000 to a girl for a scratch on her arm from their german shepherd, who was 'just playing'.

OldNotWIse

TheBegotten wrote: »

To be honest, i find that (in general) the bigger the dog is, the calmer it is. At various stages, I've had a german shepard and a mostly sheepdog beagle-sized mutt. The german sheperd was much better behaved on walks and never showed any aggresion. Its the terriers (in general) that are the problem. If they were kept on leads by their over protective owners, then incidents between dogs would be much less common.

I agree, bigger dogs tend to be more relaxed, like they have it all under control...and dont need to prove themselves lol I never thought I would have a small dog actually (my last was a lab/setter) but this little terrier just turned up and... the rest is history lol. She's my sidekick I dont think a blanket rule for any breeds is a good idea (whether they are listed or terriers) as there can be good and bad in both (though I hesitate to use the word, "bad" - bad ownership and training more like)

Mine is friendly and loves meeting other small dogs for a good chase and I am trying to socialise her as best I can but she IS a "passive aggressive", which is something I am trying to overcome with her. She will dominate if she thinks she can, but can also be easily dominated I dont think keeping her on a lead for the rest of her life will solve any problems, but allowing her off and then re-leashing her when she acts out seems to be helping somewhat... Other dog owners tend to be very understanding of these issues.

OldNotWIse

Just reading post from gud4u and when you mention about showing people how to pet the dog properly, one issue I notice (not with my dog) is that a lot of people dont know how to approach dogs. I've seen people (especially in the city) approaching friend's dogs and they come bearing down on them, hand straigh to the dogs face and bellowing about how cute he/she is - hello! To a dog, this is like an attack!

ISDW

OP, if you come back, could you please ask my question, as to how you would feel if you were lying in the grass and were approached by an off lead Great Dane, with no owner in sight, as opposed to a rottweiler. GD's are bigger, and just as powerful as Rotties, but aren't on the RB list, so they can wander around off lead. However, the law actually says that all dogs should be under effective control, so in that scenario, are they under control? But I would just like to know how you feel about large, powerful breeds not on the RB list.

Yes, the owner of the Rottie was breaking the law, but actually, you have said that your dog jumps up at people, so in that instance, as your dog is not under effective control, so are you. The rottie didn't attack you or your dog, or act in an aggressive manner, and your dog doesn't either, it is jumping up to be friendly. However, to someone who is scared of dogs, that can be just as worrying and stressful as your encounter.

There is no basis of fact for the RB list, so in a year's time, your dog could be put on it, not because your dog has done anything, but because it is a breed or crossbreed that someone, somewhere has deemed to be a danger to the public:rolleyes:

For everyone who says the law has to be obeyed, can you honestly say you have never broken the speed limit whilst driving? Why is that acceptable?

Karlitto

foxer3640 wrote: »

I agree with op. I'm surprised at the negative posts when the law clearly states that rotties should be muzzled and leashed in public... end of. A lot of the posters here seem to have forgotten that.

Not that we have forgotten it, just don't agree. It should be one law for all, no "breed" of dog is more aggresive than another.

Look at it this way, the law also states that everyone who owns a home must pay property tax, or rather "household charge", but about 80% of the country arent'

ISDW

The op won't post on here again, but pmed me instead, something that I didn't ask for. He/she didn't like my reply, so now won't engage in a discussion by pm either.

I obviously won't put their pms up on here, but I will put the one that I sent back to them, as its mine, and I have no issues with my views on this being in public.

So you would have no issue with prising the jaws of a Great Dane open, or a Bernese Mountain Dog. How about a Belgian Shepherd? They are now the police dog of choice for most European countries, not the GSD, but they are not on the RB list. Can you not see that the list makes absolutely no sense whatsoever? Huskies actually have more pressure per pound in their jaws that Staffs, because of where they came from, and the diet, i.e. frozen fish etc. How come they're not on the list? Did you know that when the list was drawn up, they wanted to put chihuahuas on it, because the name sounded exotic and dangerous? Thats how much the people that came up with the list know about dogs.

Shame you won't post on the thread again, you started a discussion in a public forum, if you truly believe what you're saying, you should have the guts to back it up in public instead of running away to pms.

I will add another bit, that I didn't put in my original pm, but I'm not allowed to pm her or him anymore, so will have to post this bit here ....

I can't see how you think its acceptable for road users to break laws, depending on how dangerous they think they are being, but yet won't allow people to make the same judgement on the RB law.

Dyr

Merch wrote: »

Mine is still quite young, can be exciteable and friendly and still doesnt seem to understand that while some dogs are friendly and playful, some dogs aren't and dont want to be played with (Its something I am concious of that other people dont know this and to prevent them from misunderstanding my dogs friendliness as attack I keep her under control).
I dont want people to misinterpret her playful friendliness (especially anyone with children or a buggy) as she does jump up even though she is a small to medium sized dog (about 10-11kg).

So it's your dog that wasn't under control? Someone should call the warden on you/think of the chldren etc

Zulu

Well I think we can all safely agree that this thread has run it's course:
OP has been set on the right track vis-a-vis their position on perception & prejudice.

are you serious

Hey OP(there's no way your not reading these messages out of interest) two Rotties in one park off lead... Was this in Lucan by any chance?

I am in Lucan myself and know a guy who does this. . . (not me and my rotts, they'd have charged over and licked the face off ya!)

Ken.

Bullseye1 wrote: »

As an owner of a RB I prefer to walk her off lead but I always put her on the lead when another person is approaching or if another person is approaching with their dog on the lead. You just don't know how well the other dog is going to behalve or how the other person is around other dogs besides their own.

It's actually quite common to meet other dog owners who are afraid of other peoples dogs.

Just today I came across a woman who was walking her small terrier type dog on the lead so I put my girl on the lead and as we were walking by each other her dog goes ape and attempts to get at my dog. In my experiance always the small dogs which cause the trouble. They have a Napolean complex.

I'm racking my brain but the heat must be effecting my head. What breed is an r/b?

are you serious

ken wrote: »

I'm racking my brain but the heat must be effecting my head. What breed is an r/b?

The RB list is a the list of restricted breeds of dogs... could be and one of 11 dogs... or a mix or cross of one of these dogs...

star-pants

Closing this thread because we're just getting a series of reported posts instead of responses on thread.