Paleo-diet

Crann na Beatha

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Hanley

Aquila wrote: »

I'm curious if the paleo-diet or its other namesakes have been scientifically proven to work or is it yet another fad?
Has anyone here have much success with it?

What exactly is the proof you're looking for? Seems like a very vague question.

If you're gluten intolerant, it's obviously going to work.

If you're looking to lose weight and control kcals properly, it'll work.

There's a lot of talk around improved illness bio-markers like VLDL quantities and lower c-reactive protein levels too on it.

But like how can a sustainable style of eating which seeks to avoid processed food and is instead based around meat and healthy, organic fruit and veg choices be anything other than good?

dahat

Hanley wrote: »

What exactly is the proof you're looking for? Seems like a very vague question.

If you're gluten intolerant, it's obviously going to work.

If you're looking to lose weight and control kcals properly, it'll work.

There's a lot of talk around improved illness bio-markers like VLDL quantities and lower c-reactive protein levels too on it.

But like how can a sustainable style of eating which seeks to avoid processed food and is instead based around meat and healthy, organic fruit and veg choices be anything other than good?

The best diet you can follow and no need for weekly meetings or payments up front..
My wife and i eat around this principle though organic can be pricey so we are not religious on that but Lots and lots of veg,fresh meat and fruit.
To sum it all up i have never felt better in my whole life.cracking "fad" diet!!!!!

SteelyDanJalapeno

Aquila wrote: »

I'm curious if the paleo-diet or its other namesakes have been scientifically proven to work or is it yet another fad?
Has anyone here have much success with it?

Lost over the best part of 50 lbs on it with exercise over an 18 month period, still losing too.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055975867

Hanley

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Lost over the best part of 50 lbs on it with exercise over an 18 month period, still losing too.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055975867

The man wants science dammit!!!!

stellios

Is porridge included in a paelo diet? have given up cereals and bread

jam_mac_jam

stellios wrote: »

Is porridge included in a paelo diet? have given up cereals and bread

No.There are no grains on it

stellios

Theres me thinking i was doing so well. :mad:

stellios

Set of twins. .
Will body composition look the same and will one be stronger/fitter than the other?

Both consume 2,000 calories per day
Both get exact same exercise

Twin A
Bread
cereals
chips
Processed meat
spuds

Twin B
Eggs
chicken/fish/lean meat
oats
veg
water

boomtown84

Trick question right??
Twin A will be dead from dehydration.

stellios

boomtown84 wrote: »

Trick question right??
Twin A will be dead from dehydration.

sorry no, twin A also drinks water

El_Dangeroso

stellios wrote: »

Set of twins. .
Will body composition look the same and will one be stronger/fitter than the other?

Both consume 2,000 calories per day
Both get exact same exercise

Twin A
Bread
cereals
chips
Processed meat
spuds

Twin B
Eggs
chicken/fish/lean meat
oats
veg
water

It really does depend, if you're young, slim with zero health problems you're probably going to notice little enough difference.

But if you have any issue with wheat then diet B will make you feel less sluggish and interfere with training less as a result.

Over the very very long term you'll notice a big difference in health I would think.

Plus you'd probably find it a bit easier to control calories on a whole foods diet, I know I definitely find that to be the case.

The big problem with all nutrition studies is that they are so short, mostly 2 years max, so it's an educated guess at the end of the day.

Hanley

stellios wrote: »

Set of twins. .
Will body composition look the same and will one be stronger/fitter than the other?

Both consume 2,000 calories per day
Both get exact same exercise

Twin A
Bread
cereals
chips
Processed meat
spuds

Twin B
Eggs
chicken/fish/lean meat
oats
veg
water

I'm going to go with the fact that since once is consuming mostly carbs, and one is consuming mostly protein, then yes there will be a difference as different adaptations will occur as a result.

Of course, assuming that they're eating in excess of maintenance kcals and resistance training.

When it comes to fat loss, it doesn't matter. It's an impossible situation. Eating in situation A would lead to cravings and binges in the real world, situation B, not so much.

When you deal with this stuff in real life, and not just on the internet, ensuring adherence and recommending foods that will lead to greater diet adherence is key. And that's why B wins by a mile for me.

rocky

stellios wrote: »

Set of twins. .
Will body composition look the same and will one be stronger/fitter than the other?

Both consume 2,000 calories per day
Both get exact same exercise

Twin A
Bread
cereals
chips
Processed meat
spuds

Twin B
Eggs
chicken/fish/lean meat
oats
veg
water

Twin C will mop the floor with the other 2:

Eggs
chicken/fish/lean meat
oats
some Processed meat
spuds
oat pancakes
some Ben & Jerrys
veg
water

RobAMerc

Hanley wrote: »

Eating in situation A would lead to cravings and binges in the real world, situation B, not so much.

When you deal with this stuff in real life, and not just on the internet, ensuring adherence and recommending foods that will lead to greater diet adherence is key. And that's why B wins by a mile for me.

I think this is key. twin A will most likely go off the rails and eat far in excess of their 2000 cals regularly due to cravings and sugar levels being all over the shop.

they would most probably always feel they were on a restricted diet due to cravings while twin B would be much more satisfied - this alone would make me miserable !

thehamo

I think the actual "paleo" diet as a whole has taken a bit of a strange direction for me as in living off the land ultra organic kinda buzz. That's one extreme though. In general, the idea behind paleo is sound. I live my life by a lot of the prinipals of the diet, but I don't stick by it rigidly. Since I have given up grains I have never felt better. I have dropped over 2" on my waist which I have not been able to do in years eating a conventional low cal diet. If I go out and plough into a burger somewhere, so what, I just eat clean and healthy for the rest of the week. I don't say I'm eating paleo, because I'm not, but I have learned a lot from it and taken some of its principals on board.

What am I trying to say here? Tbh I'm not sure. But paleo has taught me to lead a healthier eating lifestyle that will stick because it's MORE than manageable. So is paleo a fad? Perhaps, are the principals behind it? Not a bit. It's how we SHOUlD eat

PrincessLola

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No.There are no grains on it

But didn't cavemen eat grains too?

And I'm pretty sure real paleolithic people ate plenty of offal and gristle and nutritious insects, not choice cuts off farmed meat.

I have no problem with this diet, but lets not pretend for a second its what real paleolithic people ate lol;)

Red Cortina

thehamo wrote: »

I think the actual "paleo" diet as a whole has taken a bit of a strange direction for me as in living off the land ultra organic kinda buzz. That's one extreme though. In general, the idea behind paleo is sound. I live my life by a lot of the prinipals of the diet, but I don't stick by it rigidly. Since I have given up grains I have never felt better. I have dropped over 2" on my waist which I have not been able to do in years eating a conventional low cal diet. If I go out and plough into a burger somewhere, so what, I just eat clean and healthy for the rest of the week. I don't say I'm eating paleo, because I'm not, but I have learned a lot from it and taken some of its principals on board.

thehamo wrote: »

What am I trying to say here? Tbh I'm not sure. But paleo has taught me to lead a healthier eating lifestyle that will stick because it's MORE than manageable. So is paleo a fad? Perhaps, are the principals behind it? Not a bit. It's how we SHOUlD eat

Sounds like you have gone through a good few of the paleo stages: Skeptic, buy-in, low carb, zealot, plateau, potato eater, fruit eater, rational real foodie

PrincessLola wrote: »

But didn't cavemen eat grains too?

PrincessLola wrote: »

And I'm pretty sure real paleolithic people ate plenty of offal and gristle and nutritious insects, not choice cuts off farmed meat.

I have no problem with this diet, but lets not pretend for a second its what real paleolithic people ate lol

Let’s be honest, there are lots of things wrong with the whole simplistic 'just so' story for the justification of the paleo diet. Who we are and what we eat today are very different to the Paleolithic. As Stephan Guyenet said on his blog today ‘evolution is a continuous process that has shaped our ancestors' genomes for every generation since the beginning of life. It didn't end with the Paleolithic, in fact it accelerated, and most of us today carry meaningful adaptations to the Neolithic diet and lifestyle.’

But I think that overall after you have gone through all the stages of the Paleo diet as above and get over the whole ‘lowcarbpaleo’ thing, you end up just eating real food which can only be a good thing.

El_Dangeroso

^^^^^ = Truth

I think paleo is just a heuristic for a starting point in order to pare your diet back to real food.

It's a pity we don't have a better name for it, I suppose 'real foodie' is the best I can think of.

Red Cortina

I guess that's what Kurt Harris thought too when he changed his blog to Archevore instead of PaNu or whatever it was before:)