My Daughters first car help please.

Hootanany

What would you recommend, Many thanks in advance

ronaneire

Hootanany wrote: »

What would you recommend, Many thanks in advance

Yaris
Polo
Clio
Fiesta

The list goes on

gerarda

Something small and reliable (Japanese).

CiniO

Me as alway in oppose to the rest, will recommend something big and safe.

Young drivers are always more likely to crash, mostly due to inexperience and as well due to being bit more mad than older people.

If they are more likely to crash, I can't understand why society is forcing young people to drive a death traps like 15 year old micra, fiesta or cinquecento.

Those cars are good for pensioners for running to the shop or doctor.
Maybe I shouldn't be saying it, but it's alway bigger tragedy when 18 years old person is killed in road accident, than when 80 years old person is killed.

Whenever my daughter will start driving, I'll all I can that she has a big and safe vehicle (and obviously that she understands what's good and safe driving practices).


Situation when young people are forced to buy little death-traps mostly by horrendous premiums of insurance for any bigger car are extreme.
I can't understand why a young person is more dangerous in insurance companys eyes in 1.6 Avensis, than in 1.0 corsa. Both vehicles have similar power/weight ratio.

Mental Mickey

Nissan Micra

Hootanany

1ltr or bigger

Mental Mickey

Hootanany wrote: »

1ltr or bigger

1 litre

Carstuck

Fiesta nice 00/01 ghia spec. Economical and reliable

robbie_998

Recent suziki swift.

love those little things !

Hootanany

Carstuck wrote: »

Fiesta nice 00/01 ghia spec. Economical and reliable

She has about 2/2,500 to spend would she get one for that.

andyseadog

OSI wrote: »

Indeed, but a young person crashing an Avensis at 100MPH is going to a lot marginally, if any more damage and cost the insurance company virtually no more, than one in a Corsa. Risk is only one part of an insurance premium, the likely cost of a crash is another.

fixed your post

ten year old avensis or corsa both cost roughly the same amont of sweet f all to replace.

hitting anything at 100mph is going to ruin it, regardsless of whether one car is physically slightly larger than the other.

any differneces in any of the respects you've mentioned are minimal.

kerten

CiniO wrote: »

Me as alway in oppose to the rest, will recommend something big and safe.

Young drivers are always more likely to crash, mostly due to inexperience and as well due to being bit more mad than older people.

If they are more likely to crash, I can't understand why society is forcing young people to drive a death traps like 15 year old micra, fiesta or cinquecento.

Those cars are good for pensioners for running to the shop or doctor.
Maybe I shouldn't be saying it, but it's alway bigger tragedy when 18 years old person is killed in road accident, than when 80 years old person is killed.

Whenever my daughter will start driving, I'll all I can that she has a big and safe vehicle (and obviously that she understands what's good and safe driving practices).


Situation when young people are forced to buy little death-traps mostly by horrendous premiums of insurance for any bigger car are extreme.
I can't understand why a young person is more dangerous in insurance companys eyes in 1.6 Avensis, than in 1.0 corsa. Both vehicles have similar power/weight ratio.

I agree with your logic and was thinking same until I need to teach my wife driving in Ireland. Most of the roads in Ireland are quite narrow except motorways and N roads and size of car matters for a learner driver until they control car properly.

Parking spots are another story. I was having a fight with my wife everytime she needed to park our automatic primera in underground parking. Now no fighting with yaris

Last weekend we accidentally ended up a narrow backroad in night while she was driving and she was ok with Yaris. She would stop and ask me to drive if it was primera.

It is a mental block but it is there unfortunately for most of the learner drivers

keithclancy

1.9TDI Octavia was a good bit cheaper to Insure than a 1 liter anything, this was 5 years ago though, maybe its changed.

andyseadog

OSI wrote: »

They won't care how much the Corsa/Avensis are going to cost to replace, they care about how much they are going to have to pay in injury and death claims to third parties. And obviously these are going to be higher when you hit someone with a car as large as an Avensis than they would be with a Corsa.

i really doubt there will be a big difference.

in any accident over lets say 50-60 mph in any car, micra or mercedese, death or serious injury is realistically on the cards regardless of the cars size.

MetzgerMeister

Cinio has a good point.

The way I see it is that the likes of an Octavia would be safer than a yaris in an accident. On the other hand, the bigger car would (but not neccessarily) have a bigger engine and more than likely higher insurance.

It's a bit of a catch 22.

OP - something like a 1.4 Rover 400 sedan might be the best of both worlds.

CiniO

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Cinio has a good point.

The way I see it is that the likes of an Octavia would be safer than a yaris in an accident. On the other hand, the bigger car would (but not neccessarily) have a bigger engine and more than likely higher insurance.

It's a bit of a catch 22.

OP - something like a 1.4 Rover 400 sedan might be the best of both worlds.

Exactly. There is also Octavia 1.4 which is probably slower than Micra 1.0

Hootanany

OSI wrote: »

She'll get a 2003 for that kinda money. But is that for car and insurance, or just car, as insurance will take at least half that budget.

Just for the car.
And thanks for all your replies.

prettygurrly

123.ie uses the number of crashes a type of car is in ahead of anything else when pricing a premium so an audi A4 is the most expensive car premium-wise.

My first car was a peugeot 206 (at age 23) which I absolutely loved and only sold because I wanted to switch to diesel. I think the important thing to remember with cars and crashing is instilling your kid with a knowledge of how dangerous speed is, drink driving, being tired at the wheel etc etc. which are all bigger factors than the type of car in my opinion. Obviously keeping the car in checkis also important. Having said all that, I've had one occasion when my brakes failed suddenly and without warning only 2 months after a service. Life is not predictable...

so in summary, something reliable and safe and that you can afford. Make sure the car is kosher by getting a second opinion by someone you trust. Also probably good that she likes the car too.

em possibly steer clear of fiats and rovers....

Carstuck

Here is an example of an 02 ghia fiesta with NCT until Jan 2013.



http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3154974

kupus

Ford focus 1.4 small engine with full service done, new battery new clutch, new coil pack and NCT till 01/13.....1250eur this should go on bangeronimcs as well....
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3135901

Hootanany

kupus wrote: »

Ford focus 1.4 small engine with full service done, new battery new clutch, new coil pack and NCT till 01/13.....1250eur this should go on bangeronimcs as well....
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3135901

Nice looking car would the insurance be much than a 1ltr

vectra

Seat Leon tdi?
Tax would be high ( ish )
Insurance would be low ( ish )

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3046249

Farmer Pudsey

Not the most popular car but for that kind of money you will get a 03 micra the bubble type with very low milage if you can find one (50,000ish a lot of old ladies had them for going to the shop and mass). they come in a 1 litre car tax 185 euro not the jazzist but will take her in and out to college and I am sure that if will do 50mpg. It will also be cheap to insure by herself down the line as you may be putting her in your name at present and you may have a second that might need insurance in a year or two.

Nowaday a bit of reality is coming into play it is not like 3-4 years ago when all kids wanted 206's, VW's or even Audi's. Kids are happy with any car as a lot of there pals have none

Matt Simis

My sister is just starting to drive and was getting quotes of EUR1500 on a Mini Cooper 1.6 and same on an Alfa 147 1.6. Something crap like a 1litre Micra is 1100.. so if you are female you can certainly get a decent first car in Ireland (I assume no one would argue that EUR400 is not very well spent on dodging paddy spec 1litre cars?).

Even the cars make the case for themselves, all the 1 to 1.4l (especially VW stuff) is horrendously overpriced, such crap crap cars.