Asian criminals growing cannabis in houses: how do they get into Ireland?

Geuze

Week after week, we read of the Gardai finding houses with cannabis growing operations, run by Asian criminals.

See today's IT:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0323/1224313766259.html

My question is how do these people get into Ireland?

I presume they are not EU citizens, so they can't just freely enter Irl?

I presume they don't have a work visa/permit, as they don't seem to be employed?

I presume they are not asylum-seekers, as this is never mentioned?

Are my assumptions correct?

Can somebody calmly and carefully explain how they get to be and live in Ireland?


NB: maybe this isn't the correct forum????

stevedublin

Study visas?

Dr Galen

Hang about....

It's 3 lads, caught growing weed, not an invasion, as your thread title suggests.

I'd second the thought, that they are probably here on study visas.

For the record, we've had people from that particular neck of the woods coming to Ireland for a long long time.

I think you'll find the answer lies somewhere along the lines of: Where there's a will, there's a way.

Plenty of money to be made due to prohibition. That money is going to be made anyway, whether it's asians, martians, or just people from Limerick (joke)

joseph brand

Three Asian gardeners. Won't someone think of the children. :rolleyes:

There's more important news surely?

RichieC

Unless they snook all the equipment in with them then it is not a legitimate question. since you can buy everything you need for an indoor garden in ireland then I doubt very much that they did.

Hysterical thread is hysterical.

MaxSteele

Who cares?? I certainly don't. They're growing a popular re-creational drug that most people (except the simpletons who still believe prohibtion and the war on drugs actually works) have no problem with. If western governments were in anyway smart, these hard-working asian migrants would be legally employed and taxed on their product.:D

But of course, this is a country where shouting "you can't have morals without religion" on Frontline or the late late show, at an atheist gets you a standing ovation. Go figure :rolleyes:

Cardinal Richelieu

Geuze wrote: »

Week after week, we read of the Gardai finding houses with cannabis growing operations, run by Asian criminals.

See today's IT:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0323/1224313766259.html

My question is how do these people get into Ireland?

I presume they are not EU citizens, so they can't just freely enter Irl?

I presume they don't have a work visa/permit, as they don't seem to be employed?

I presume they are not asylum-seekers, as this is never mentioned?

Are my assumptions correct?

Can somebody calmly and carefully explain how they get to be and live in Ireland?


NB: maybe this isn't the correct forum????

Have a read of Europol EU Organised Crime Threat Assessment 2011

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0504/europol.pdf

Vietnamese groups are prominent in the indoor cultivation of cannabis,
particularly in the UK, Ireland, the Czech Republic, the Slovak Republic and Poland. Traditionally hierarchical in structure, these have expanded to incorporate specialist roles for electricians, plumbers and the management of cultivation facilities. Gardeners tending to the cannabis are often illegal migrants working to pay off their transportation fees.

antoobrien

Dr Galen wrote: »

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It's 3 lads, caught growing weed, not an invasion, as your thread title suggests.

This isn't the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time that Asians have been caught growing various drugs in Ireland. There have been at least a dozen such seizures over the few of years.

This year alone there have been several growing operations uncovered this year
Dublin
Offaly
Westmeath

The one in Offaly was the 4th in the midlands in less than a month.

This is the fourth major cannabis grow house to be discovered by gardaí in the midlands region in the past three weeks.

On January 9th, a 28-year-old Chinese national was arrested following the discovery of two grow houses containing 450 cannabis plants worth an estimated €180,000 in Mullingar, Co Westmeath.

He was subsequently charged with cultivating cannabis.

A 33-year-old Chinese national was arrested in Athlone, Co Westmeath, on January 11th, when 300 plants valued at €125,000 were discovered at a grow house in Baylough, Athlone.

CageWager

Problems in Irish Society:

Irish criminals selling heroin/meth/pills > Asian criminals growing cannabis in houses

antoobrien

antoobrien wrote: »

This isn't the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time that Asians have been caught growing various drugs in Ireland. There have been at least a dozen such seizures over the few of years.

This year alone there have been several growing operations uncovered this year
Dublin
Offaly
Westmeath

The one in Offaly was the 4th in the midlands in less than a month.

And percentage wise, these lads account for exactly how much of Ireland's massive cannabis consumption?

I would imagine it's in the 0.0 something region.

JustinDee

Geuze wrote: »

Week after week, we read of the Gardai finding houses with cannabis growing operations, run by Asian criminals.

See today's IT:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0323/1224313766259.html

My question is how do these people get into Ireland?

I presume they are not EU citizens, so they can't just freely enter Irl?

I presume they don't have a work visa/permit, as they don't seem to be employed?

I presume they are not asylum-seekers, as this is never mentioned?

Are my assumptions correct?

Can somebody calmly and carefully explain how they get to be and live in Ireland?

Don't presume anything.

They could have sneaked in (it happens - this is an island after all). They might have had residency/work permits. They could have been asylum seekers.

antoobrien

MaxSteele wrote: »

They're growing a popular re-creational drug that most people (except the simpletons who still believe prohibtion and the war on drugs actually works) have no problem with.

I'm one of the people who has a problem with i because of what I see it doing to people. I know a few people that I steer well clear of when they're on anything because they become very different people.

RichieC

antoobrien wrote: »

I'm one of the people who has a problem with i because of what I see it doing to people. I know a few people that I steer well clear of when they're on anything because they become very different people.

Weed makes people violent and fills up our A&E's every friday and saturday and costs untold amounts of money to the country.

Rented Mule

<sarcasm> Well it's a good thing that they are only selling to the other Asians who have all somehow managed to get into the country. </sarcasm>

mikom

Dr Galen wrote: »

For the record, we've had people from that particular neck of the woods coming to Ireland for a long long time.

Me so horny........

antoobrien wrote: »

I'm one of the people who has a problem with i because of what I see it doing to people. I know a few people that I steer well clear of when they're on anything because they become very different people.

The stuff from the Asian grow houses is for the most part force grown, not flushed, harvested too early, and dried poorly without a cure.
End result........ the equivalent of eating a green tomato raw.

Prohibition causes this.
The vast majority of the problems spouted about cannabis come from keeping it illegal and underground........ guns, human traffiking, adulterants added to make weight, occasional incidences of psychosis etc.

srsly78

DEY TUK AWR (illegal) JAWBZ

It's a disgrace Joe!!!

Serious response:
I would take a wild guess and say they got here via either a boat or an aeroplane.

Boom_Bap

And an Irish citizen has never once commited a crime abroad.

RichieC

mikom wrote: »

The stuff from the Asian grow houses is for the most part force grown, not flushed, harvested too early, and dried poorly without a cure.
End result........ the equivalent of eating a green tomato raw.

Who would even buy **** like that anymore?

Ellis Dee

There are so many ways they could get here. After all, Ireland has been trying hard to attract Chinese students, which brings in lots of money, may create contacts that could prove useful to us and our exports later, and it is likely that a few of them will become involved in illegal activities, especially when there is a demand for a substance that would otherwise be imported. And which ought to be legalised, regulated and taxed in my opinion.:rolleyes:

Many of them are second- or third-generation anyway and were born in an EU country, in addition to which there are Hong Kong Chinese who hold British passports, and some Chinese have been running businesses in Ireland for decades and are able to bring over relatives under family reunification arrangements. Would the OP feel better about it if those caught growing high-quality cannabis were Irish? At least it would indicate an entrepreneurialism that has been sadly lacking in this country. We can't build a cocoon around this country now, because we need the oxygen of the global economy.:)

frag420

Geuze wrote: »

Can somebody calmly and carefully explain how they get to be and live in Ireland?

Home delivery. It's free within a two mile radius of Shangai. After that it's €2 a mile and free prawn crackers.

mikom

RichieC wrote: »

Who would even buy **** like that anymore?

The young, the uneducated/inexperienced, and the desperate.

Ellis Dee

Boom_Bap wrote: »

And an Irish citizen has never once commited a crime abroad.

Perish the thought!:):)

antoobrien

RichieC wrote: »

Weed makes people violent and fills up our A&E's every friday and saturday and costs untold amounts of money to the country.

The difference between a drunk and a pothead is that you can usually spot the drunk a mile away. The pothead you may not be so fortunate with.

RichieC

antoobrien wrote: »

The difference between a drunk and a pothead is that you can usually spot the drunk a mile away. The pothead you may not be so fortunate with.

What are you afraid a pothead will do to you? chew your ear off about how fantastic the moon looks?

mikom

antoobrien wrote: »

The pothead you may not be so fortunate with.

End result?

Having to hear about the new lineup of Dorito flavours. Ugh!

mikom

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Having to hear about the new lineup of Dorito flavours. Ugh!

Doritos?.................... no recession there.

mikom

mikom wrote: »

Doritos?.................... no recession there.

Aldi style fauxritos I mean!

mikom

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Aldi style fauxritos I mean!

Cool ranch all the way.

CageWager

antoobrien wrote: »

The difference between a drunk and a pothead is that you can usually spot the drunk a mile away. The pothead you may not be so fortunate with.

When I'm stoned I (and every stoner I have ever met) have the ability to do as much damage as is possible while remaining on my couch, giggling and stuffing my face with toffeepops. Scary stuff.

Nodin

RichieC wrote: »

What are you afraid a pothead will do to you? chew your ear off about how fantastic the moon looks?

...walk real slow ahead of you on a narrow path, maybe.

Chuck Stone

The Gardai swooped in and got 3 in 1.

Scofflaw

OK - I'd move this to AH, but I promised them I wouldn't do that any more.

moderately,
Scofflaw