browsing the web, noticed my old car with 50,000km less mileage

Oceans12 · 22-03-2012 12:16am #1

hi not sure about this, was browsing the web, and had traded in my old car,
recently, just saw it advertised on the web with 50,000 km less on the odometer than was on it when i traded it in..

i have read about things like this happening on boards, but its down right cheating!!

i still have all receipts from servicing showing mileage at each service, and also recent NCT cert.

is this sort of carry on common in the motor trade?

Anan1 · 22-03-2012 12:17am

Link?

Oceans12 · 22-03-2012 12:20am

Anan1 wrote: »

Link?

is it safe to post the link? i dont want to leave myself open to anything..

could be a typo in the ad, but i doubt it, going to ring tomorrow enquiring about the mileage, and if its not a typo, will post the link then, just want to verify that its not a typo in the ad first.

22-03-2012 12:27am

Oceans12 wrote: »

.........

is this sort of carry on common in the motor trade?

It's not too uncommon anyway.

Oceans12 · 22-03-2012 12:39am

folks can you submit an odometer reading to the national mileage register if you down currently own the car?

at http://www.inmr.ie ? ie submit a reading for the last day i owned it? id hate for some unfortunate to buy a clocked car.

Squeeonline · 22-03-2012 12:40am

Oceans12 wrote: »

is it safe to post the link? i dont want to leave myself open to anything..

could be a typo in the ad, but i doubt it, going to ring tomorrow enquiring about the mileage, and if its not a typo, will post the link then, just want to verify that its not a typo in the ad first.

Pose as a potential buyer and ask for a photo of the odometer?

Oceans12 · 22-03-2012 12:44am

Squeeonline wrote: »

Pose as a potential buyer and ask for a photo of the odometer?

a friend is going to have a look at the car, and will photo the odometer.
then we will know for sure.

what action can be taken against the dealer if proved that car was clocked?
also is mileage recorded on NCT cert?

Junior Jacon Jeese Jurger · 22-03-2012 12:54am

Is it for sale privately or from a dealership?

Oceans12 · 22-03-2012 12:55am

for sale from a dealer that has 30-40 cars for sale , not a franchised dealer.

johnbobtheslob · 22-03-2012 12:59am

theme schnakes are always clocking cars theres nothing new there. move on, happens all the time.

Creamsoda · 22-03-2012 1:14am

johnbobtheslob wrote: »

theme schnakes are always clocking cars theres nothing new there. move on, happens all the time.

That's a great attitude.

psicic · 22-03-2012 1:30am

Oceans12 wrote: »

what action can be taken against the dealer if proved that car was clocked?

This is a press release from the NCA about a case they took against a car clocker.

They'd be the ones to take a case. Probably require you to make a statement or something.

alexlyons · 22-03-2012 8:28am

You are allowed do it once it's recorded and the buyer knows it IIRC. So just check the books and even say something to the dealer like "it's a nice car, it has very low mileage?" (make those words sound like a question. And see what he says.

22-03-2012 9:26am

alexlyons wrote: »

.................. and even say something to the dealer like "it's a nice car, it has very low mileage?" (make those words sound like a question. And see what he says.

I'd just ask is the mileage genuine and can it be verified with service history.

Padraig Mor · 22-03-2012 9:32am

Oceans12 wrote: »

is this sort of carry on common in the motor trade?

Very.

RoverJames wrote: »

I'd just ask is the mileage genuine and can it be verified with service history.

No need for that - just raising suspicions. If the odometer has the lower figure, it's been clocked.

OP, is it for sale at the dealer where you traded it in? If so, they clocked it. And given that they haven't asked you for "all receipts from servicing showing mileage at each service, and also recent NCT cert", it suggests that they are a dodgy bunch.

sealgaire · 22-03-2012 9:35am

report it

TPM · 22-03-2012 9:41am

OP what dose this mean for the mileage on the car you bought?

MetzgerMeister · 22-03-2012 10:00am

Oceans12 wrote: »

is it safe to post the link? i dont want to leave myself open to anything...

Usually on boards, you can't make such a statement without proof that the car was clocked. Defamation and all that.

Anan1 · 22-03-2012 10:14am

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Usually on boards, you can't make such a statement without proof that the car was clocked. Defamation and all that.

OP has proof, they still have all the service history.

sbsquarepants · 22-03-2012 10:19am

alexlyons wrote: »

You are allowed do it once it's recorded and the buyer knows it IIRC. So just check the books and even say something to the dealer like "it's a nice car, it has very low mileage?" (make those words sound like a question. And see what he says.

You're allowed clock a car, so long as you tell the buyer?
Surely not.

alexlyons · 22-03-2012 10:24am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Very.

No need for that - just raising suspicions. If the odometer has the lower figure, it's been clocked.

yes but it may have been done for a reason, there aren't many valid ones, but I'm 99% certain you can

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You're allowed clock a car, so long as you tell the buyer?
Surely not.

as i said, 99% certain you can.

I know my mum bought a show model car with about 3k on it but the ecu had to be replaced i think which put the odo back to 0 and we had documents to say that it had x amount of miles on top of what the odo said.

With the proper documentation i'm pretty certain you can do it

Anan1 · 22-03-2012 10:24am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You're allowed clock a car, so long as you tell the buyer?
Surely not.

AFAIK the offence is misrepresenting the mileage - if you change the odo and tell the buyer then you're not misrepresenting the mileage.

22-03-2012 10:32am

Anan1 wrote: »

AFAIK the offence is misrepresenting the mileage - if you change the odo and tell the buyer then you're not misrepresenting the mileage.

Yep, which is why I reckon asking straight out is the only way.......

RoverJames wrote: »

I'd just ask is the mileage genuine and can it be verified with service history.

Oceans12 · 22-03-2012 10:41am

just to update the thread i had given the benefit of the doubt, thats why i held off on putting the link up... a few enquiries, later, and the correct mileage is being quoted, and also the online add has been updated now to show correct mileage...

Anan1 · 22-03-2012 10:43am

This wasn't a miles/kms mix-up, was it?

Oceans12 · 22-03-2012 10:53am

Anan1 wrote: »

This wasn't a miles/kms mix-up, was it?

thought that, no definately does not look that way..

maybe he didnt know the mileage when he put the add up, and just stuck in a random number, and then planned to update it later...

looks like the likely thing that happened, anyways panic over.

gollywog · 22-03-2012 10:59am

Or maybe he was having a read of this and panicked!

biko · 22-03-2012 11:02am

Scared straight, it works!

Lord Derpington · 22-03-2012 11:15am

sealgaire wrote: »

report it

I was a day away from buying a car private and done a check to find out it was clocked.
Went to the Guards and told them the story and the fact I had paid for a report, there response? "Sure, don't buy it then".

There seems to be an attitude that somehow its OK to do this, I don't understand why.

Fair play OP for going the distance, to ensure everything was OK

dgt · 22-03-2012 11:20am

Clocking is legal provided you tell the next buyer the vehicle is clocked.

OP they will get caught out if they don't inform the next buyer as when they go for the nct it will throw up 2 different mileages!

sbsquarepants · 22-03-2012 1:54pm

Anan1 wrote: »

AFAIK the offence is misrepresenting the mileage - if you change the odo and tell the buyer then you're not misrepresenting the mileage.

That's a bit Irish for sure!!

Anan1 · 22-03-2012 2:03pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

That's a bit Irish for sure!!

What's Irish is buying a car with no service history and then being all surprised when it turns out to be clocked!

Ronnie Beck · 22-03-2012 10:53pm

I was was browsing done deal there a while back and came across an add for a dodgy looking garage in dublin who clock cars. I clicked on the report add button but doubt it was followed up. Also seen this http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/carextras/3043283. How easy is it to change the mileage on a digital odometer?

L-M · 22-03-2012 11:50pm

Ronnie Beck wrote: »

I was was browsing done deal there a while back and came across an add for a dodgy looking garage in dublin who clock cars. I clicked on the report add button but doubt it was followed up. Also seen this http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/carextras/3043283. How easy is it to change the mileage on a digital odometer?

Most cars it's very easy to change to the eye, but some/most cars store the mileage esle where's (in the key, in the abs unit, ecu etc. etc. and most of all in the previous owners mind).

damo244 · 23-03-2012 12:11am

If it is clocked report them,and they should be named and shamed, somebody is going to buy this car and pay more than its worth:mad: times are hard enough without being ripped off by these people.

L-M · 23-03-2012 12:14am

damo244 wrote: »

If it is clocked report them,and they should be named and shamed, somebody is going to buy this car and pay more than its worth:mad: times are hard enough without being ripped off by these people.

it's not clocked, read the thread!

dahamsta · 23-03-2012 12:17am

Jesus man get with it. Reading threads is out, butting in with an outdated and uninformed opinion is in. God you're so Noughties!

Senna · 23-03-2012 1:15am

Limerick man wrote: »

Most cars it's very easy to change to the eye, but some/most cars store the mileage esle where's (in the key, in the abs unit, ecu etc. etc. and most of all in the previous owners mind).

Is it possible to plug something into an OBD2 port and verify the mileage? or would it be dealer type equipment needed to read the mileage?

testicle · 23-03-2012 8:20am

Oceans12 wrote: »

i still have all receipts from servicing showing mileage at each service, and also recent NCT cert.

Why do you still have these as a matter of interest? The NCT Cert should be with the car, and the receipt should form part of the service history.

dahamsta · 23-03-2012 9:38am

I'd never give original receipts with a car, only copies. We can all be audited.

Anan1 · 23-03-2012 10:01am

testicle wrote: »

Why do you still have these as a matter of interest? The NCT Cert should be with the car, and the receipt should form part of the service history.

The garage completed the deal without demanding the service history - in other words, they attached no monetary value to it. This is very common in Ireland, and it goes a long way towards explaining why clocking is so common.

23-03-2012 10:18am

dahamsta wrote: »

I'd never give original receipts with a car, only copies. We can all be audited.

Audited?

What would prompt an audit of a normal PAYE worker? Most folk are not self employed, most self employed folk wouldn't have a company car, they'd claim mileage expenses as appropriate, receipts for services etc wouldn't be required in most cases.

Fair enough if it's a company car but other than that I don't see the point.

but43r · 23-03-2012 10:59am

dgt wrote: »

Clocking is legal provided you tell the next buyer the vehicle is clocked.

OP they will get caught out if they don't inform the next buyer as when they go for the nct it will throw up 2 different mileages!

They will only record the mileage in NCT center. They don't really care that the car is clocked and I doubt that they will bother informing the owner.

L-M · 23-03-2012 10:59am

Senna wrote: »

Is it possible to plug something into an OBD2 port and verify the mileage? or would it be dealer type equipment needed to read the mileage?

On some cars it is but through more complicated software.

dahamsta · 23-03-2012 12:47pm

I am self-employed, but like I said, anyone can be audited; it's not exclusive to companies or the self-employed. I can't speak for how common it'd be though.

RoverJames wrote: »

dahamsta wrote: »

I'd never give original receipts with a car, only copies. We can all be audited.

Audited?

What would prompt an audit of a normal PAYE worker? Most folk are not self employed, most self employed folk wouldn't have a company car, they'd claim mileage expenses as appropriate, receipts for services etc wouldn't be required in most cases.

Fair enough if it's a company car but other than that I don't see the point.

iwsf · 27-03-2012 1:58pm

Bought a car myself some time ago and strongly suspect that it was clocked.
Not saying for sure it was but had it inspected by 2 separates garages and both told me that the car has a much higher mileage than it reads on the odometer.

Anyway , is there any point to bring it to the main dealer to have it checked ?
Everything is computerised now so it must be possible to find out if somebody changed the mileage ?

Vertakill · 27-03-2012 2:34pm

iwsf wrote: »

Bought a car myself some time ago and strongly suspect that it was clocked.
Not saying for sure it was but had it inspected by 2 separates garages and both told me that the car has a much higher mileage than it reads on the odometer.

Anyway , is there any point to bring it to the main dealer to have it checked ?
Everything is computerised now so it must be possible to find out if somebody changed the mileage ?

Well, if you bought it off a dealer then... maybe yeah go get it checked out and see what you can come up with.

If you bought it privately, then no matter what you uncover won't change anything for the good.
However, if you find out it's been clocked and you're trying to sell it later on, you will have to make the prospective buyers aware that it's been clocked or you're doing something illegal..

browsing the web, noticed my old car with 50,000km less mileage

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