Luas Red Line not operating

wicklowwonder

Anybody know any further info on the Luas red line? Their site said it is only serving Blackhorse until further notice. I know there was a fire but will the Luas be running tomorrow AM could be a royal pain in the ass if it isn't. Cheers

LXFlyer

Just keep an eye on www.luas.ie - that will be updated before anyone else is going to know.

Victor

Photos here: http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showpost.php?p=66994&postcount=7

Based on what I saw, I can't see why it can't re-open by the morning.

celebroom

On luas.ie they mention a limited bus service running from 7am from certain points. Anyone know a timetable? Is it every hour, every 30 minutes? You try phone the freephone number and in true style it goes to voicemail. Well played guys. Dont even try and select the timetable option. Its still giving details about Christmas...

dublinman1990

The Luas website has reported that red line trams will run from Tallaght/Saggart to Heuston only from tomorrow.

http://www.luas.ie/travel-updates/

howiya

Whats the reason for the change in frequency? Trams will be packed if they are only travelling every seven minutes

foggy_lad

howiya wrote: »

Whats the reason for the change in frequency? Trams will be packed if they are only travelling every seven minutes

They is no room to park extra trams at Heuston so I would imagine they will be dispatching them shortly after they arrive so they have to adjust the frequency because it takes time to move ther trams from one line to the other.

dfx-

I wonder if this sees increased loads on the Tallaght bus services and 56A, maybe the 123 as well..

foggy_lad

dfx- wrote: »

I wonder if this sees increased loads on the Tallaght bus services and 56A, maybe the 123 as well..

The 145 should be able to cope with most of the demand

dfx-

Depends if you want to go to Heuston, then a 145 or a straight bus..

I wonder in general too about curtailments like this (and Blackhorse) what impact it has on the Tallaght routes.

Victor

foggy_lad wrote: »

The 145 should be able to cope with most of the demand

Some people, who normally use tram only, may prefer to use one bus instead of tram+bus, e.g. Drimnagh-O'Connell Street.

Victor

They don't know yet if the problem will be hours or days. Hopefully some news by lunchtime.

wench

Its turning into days, looks like tomorrow afternoon at the earliest for some progress.

At a meeting this morning, Tuesday March 20th, Dublin City Council, Buildings Department confirmed work had commenced on the site and a progress meeting will be held at 4pm on Wednesday March 21st. Following this meeting Luas will update passengers on the service for the rest of the week.

listermint

In what other country could a project that looks as small as that shut down 1 of the only x2 Modern Tram lines in a city centre for days.

Who plans this crap...

Dravokivich

listermint wrote: »

In what other country could a project that looks as small as that shut down 1 of the only x2 Modern Tram lines in a city centre for days.

Who plans this crap...

Luas has been requested by Dublin City Council to turn off the power to the overhead lines in the affected area as buildings in the immediate vicinity of the track need to be protected and / or demolished and a safety cordon is in operation. See picture.

On here.

Not too much to ask I recon, as the picture on that link shows the building in question is right next to the line.

balkieb2002

wench wrote: »

Its turning into days, looks like tomorrow afternoon at the earliest for some progress.

Great, another day or two of rushing for the bus from Heuston to City Centre though in truth it wasn't too bad this morning.

While on the subject, as I've gotten so used to getting the Luas back out to Heuston, which buses actually go out that way from City Centre?

pclive

Luas tickets are valid on Dublin Bus. Note the no. 90 and 145 routes will pick up Luas passengers from Customs House Quay and Tara St. train station for the return journey to Heuston Stop.

these buses also serve Heuston 79a 25b 79, 25a

Might be more convienent in the AM to walk around to the side door of Heuston to get one of these services into town and avoid any delays waiting on the LUAS bus. Hopefully they will accept luas tickets

the groutch

how close is the last 145 stop to the Heuston Luas stop?

foggy_lad

the groutch wrote: »

how close is the last 145 stop to the Heuston Luas stop?

The 145 terminus is at the Heuston Luas stop

the groutch

foggy_lad wrote: »

The 145 terminus is at the Heuston Luas stop

cheers Foggy, using the Red Line for the first time tomorrow
wish me luck :rolleyes:

monument

The 145 bus stop at Heuston Station is stop 4320, both sides of the station are also well served by buses...

Parkgate Street

• Inbound (ie to town): Stop 1474
• Outbound: Stop 7078

St John's Road West

• Inbound (ie to town): Stop 4413
• Outbound: Stop 2637

For Parkgate Street (mostly wrongly named on Google Maps!), from the Heuston Luas stop just walk across the Luas bridge over the river, but stops will be on your left once you cross the river.

For St John's Road West, go the opposite direction to the side of Heuston.

parsi

Dravokivich wrote: »

On here.

Not too much to ask I recon, as the picture on that link shows the building in question is right next to the line.

Yeah but where else in the world will you find a city tramway that goes down streets lined with buildings ?

AngryLips

listermint wrote: »

In what other country could a project that looks as small as that shut down 1 of the only x2 Modern Tram lines in a city centre for days.

Who plans this crap...

Whoever planned the fire obviously failed to involve Veolia, a key stakeholder in this situation.

parsi wrote: »

Yeah but where else in the world will you find a city tramway that goes down streets lined with buildings ?

...err, every city with a tram?

parsi

AngryLips wrote: »

Whoever planned the fire obviously failed to involve Veolia, a key stakeholder in this situation.



...err, every city with a tram?

Ya missed my immediate ninja edit (at the same time as your post) - to cover such situations as this where my dripping sarcasm wasn't immediately obvious.

Buffman

listermint wrote: »

Who plans this crap...

I doubt anybody planned for the building to crack like that, but looking at the reinforcement already installed, it's not the first time there has been trouble with it.

There's also the safety concern of the vibrations of a passing tram causing the building to collapse on top of the tram.

This 'project' isn't as small as it may seem either, I'd be surprised if it's sorted this week.

wench

Buffman wrote: »

This 'project' isn't as small as it may seem either, I'd be surprised if it's sorted this week.

Looks like you're not going to be surprised then...

DCC's Consultant Structural Engineer has confirmed that the buildings are unstable and it is now not possible to secure the buildings as they had planned.
Furthermore DCC informed Luas that it will be Friday 23rd March or indeed Monday March 26th before Luas can resume a full Red Line service.

wicklowwonder

DCC's Consultant Structural Engineer has confirmed that the buildings are unstable and it is now not possible to secure the buildings as they had planned.
Furthermore DCC informed Luas that it will be Friday 23rd March or indeed Monday March 26th before Luas can resume a full Red Line service.

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Somebody is making a fortune here. They spend four days working till 10 at night to try and save the building now they decide to knock it which will take another few days!

Imagine how much that crew is getting paid on a bank holiday weekend and working so late. Typical Irish builders trying to make the job last as long as possible. The demolition company must have thought they won the lotto on Paddys Day!

dardhal

Imagine how much that crew is getting paid on a bank holiday weekend and working so late. Typical Irish builders trying to make the job last as long as possible. The demolition company must have thought they won the lotto on Paddys Day!

In fact, the first idea that came to my mind when initially seeing the picture was, is that building really worth the effort? Isn't a single day of the LUAS red line being out of service in the city center going to cost much more that demolishing the place altogether, and the city council paying a fair amount to the owner, if any is due?

It seems the place isn't even 100 sq.m., and it didn't appear to be inhabited at all. But it seems nobody in the "upper layers of management" really cares if it takes a day or a month for something so minor to be fixed.

Victor

dardhal wrote: »

In fact, the first idea that came to my mind when initially seeing the picture was, is that building really worth the effort? Isn't a single day of the LUAS red line being out of service in the city center going to cost much more that demolishing the place altogether, and the city council paying a fair amount to the owner, if any is due?

It seems the place isn't even 100 sq.m., and it didn't appear to be inhabited at all. But it seems nobody in the "upper layers of management" really cares if it takes a day or a month for something so minor to be fixed.

It not just about the one building. There are six buildings in the terrace (two appear to be modern constructions / reconstructions) and there is a risk of sympathetic collapse - the collapse of one building leading to the collapse of the next. The two buildings next to the fire damaged building already showed signs of being 'tired'.

On Lower Fitzwilliam Street, this started as the demolition of one house - its ended up with 13 houses being demolished as each was dependent on the next: http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Lower+Fitzwilliam+Street,+Dublin+2&hl=en&ll=53.337088,-6.248903&spn=0.006124,0.01929&sll=53.337416,-6.248553&sspn=0.006496,0.01929&hnear=Lower+Fitzwilliam+St,+Dublin+2&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.336992,-6.248991&panoid=HUbjAxN7AhYWk7u4ew0zjQ&cbp=12,71.9,,0,-13.01

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Imagine how much that crew is getting paid on a bank holiday weekend and working so late. Typical Irish builders trying to make the job last as long as possible. The demolition company must have thought they won the lotto on Paddys Day!

I think that is a bit unfair, they are being paid for the work they are doing. I do wonder about the decision making process though.

Carawaystick

So, has the clearway outside the Custom house been abolished or are all the Double decker busses with LUAS written on them, stopped in a cycle lane breaking the law?

EarlERizer

dardhal wrote: »

But it seems nobody in the "upper layers of management" really cares if it takes a day or a month for something so minor to be fixed.

I've worked in demolition,trust me,it's not a minor task demolishing an old damaged building safely.

The building will need framed & cloaked before any demolition begins,any supply lines (gas/electric) would be cut off and drained (I'd imagine this has already been done in this particualr case) it will then need to be stripped down to the bare brickwork,removing all glass,slate,fibreglass insulation(some old buildings have asbestos treated materials in their structure,this would have to be done extremely carefully),wood,steel fixings,cabling etc etc.(They will also want to salvage any 'good' or 'reusable' materials and/or scrap value materials)

Given that the building is already fractured they will have to approach the job gently,one wrong strike of force could prove dangerous to the guys working the job and to the immediate public (there's also the potential to damage the attached building).

There's also the weather to consider,strong winds can be fatal in cases of old 'shelled' buildings,also dangerous to the frame & cloak around the building.

It's a dusty dirty dangerous job that need to be carried out with the upmost regard to safety of the public & the guys working the job.

A demolition company will get an agreed contract to carry out the job,they'll send their crew in to get the job done as safely as possible as soon as possible,they wont want to drag it out,the longer spent on a job the more it costs them!

In todays health & safety world the job will encounter more hurdles & red tape,they cant cut corners,they wont be allowed call 'finished' on the job until some H&S official signs off on it.

as for the disruption to commuting .....

LUAS managment are doing all they can to minimise disruption to commuters,they're working with Dublin bus to help the situation,there are alternatives that can be used to get to & from town, it's a headache and an unwanted disruption to the commuters & the service provider.

People will just have to grin & bare it until normal service resumes!

wicklowwonder

None of The Luas buses go down to the O2 you have to get Luas heuston then Luas bus city then 151 which only runs hourly to easy wall rd.

how are you supposed to use a Leap card on that? Cost a fortune. This type of situation highlights issues with Leap as well.

EarlERizer

wicklowwonder wrote: »

None of The Luas buses go down to the O2 you have to get Luas heuston then Luas bus city then 151 which only runs hourly to easy wall rd.

how are you supposed to use a Leap card on that? Cost a fortune. This type of situation highlights issues with Leap as well.

Not sure if this is of any use to you but if your coming from the Tallaght direction (or the 50/77A routes in particular) they go down as far as Ringsend garage,it's just a few minutes walk across to the O2 from there.

wicklowwonder

EarlERizer wrote: »

wicklowwonder wrote: »

None of The Luas buses go down to the O2 you have to get Luas heuston then Luas bus city then 151 which only runs hourly to easy wall rd.

how are you supposed to use a Leap card on that? Cost a fortune. This type of situation highlights issues with Leap as well.

Not sure if this is of any use to you but if your coming from the Tallaght direction (or the 50/77A routes in particular) they go down as far as Ringsend garage,it's just a few minutes walk across to the O2 from there.

Neither suite really I work 10 min walk away from O2 north side so ringsend would not suit I am afraid. Thanks though for the help. I would think the Luas should supply a replacement bus even if it was every half hour.

On another note around the city a bus could probably drive on the Luas track from Smithfield into O2 maybe one of the long twisty buses that use to serve the 4 route if I remember correctly would this work?

EarlERizer

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Neither suite really I work 10 min walk away from O2 north side so ringsend would not suit I am afraid. Thanks though for the help. I would think the Luas should supply a replacement bus even if it was every half hour.

On another note around the city a bus could probably drive on the Luas track from Smithfield into O2 maybe one of the long twisty buses that use to serve the 4 route if I remember correctly would this work?

:DWell atleast that's your problem solved,nice brisk fresh air walk for a couple of mornings grab a coffee and a muffin! sorted.


Your suggestion is a good one alright,I cant see why that wouldnt work,maybe Dublin Bus could only offer so much by way of support,maybe a cost issue,maybe there was that dreaded red tape or H&S issues or maybe just bad call on LUAS/Dub Bus part in looking for a short term solution.

trellheim

Can anyone tell me why the tram replacement buses are not following the full route down to the point ? It's extremely irritating to be turfed out at Eden Quay when you want to get to the Conference centre. It's not obvious to me why they can't continue down to the Point, turn round at the roundabout, and come back. Makes a mockery of the concept.

wicklowwonder

trellheim wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why the tram replacement buses are not following the full route down to the point ? It's extremely irritating to be turfed out at Eden Quay when you want to get to the Conference centre. It's not obvious to me why they can't continue down to the Point, turn round at the roundabout, and come back. Makes a mockery of the concept.

Exactly even if every 2nd/3rd bus went down it would be perfect.

KD345

wicklowwonder wrote: »

151 which only runs hourly to easy wall rd.

The 151 run every 15 minutes at peak times, every 20 minutes throughout the day, and every 30 minutes in the evenings.

Your point on the Leap card is valid. It highlights how point to point journeys don't really exist on multiple modes of transport in Dublin without paying individual fares.

trellheim wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why the tram replacement buses are not following the full route down to the point ? It's extremely irritating to be turfed out at Eden Quay when you want to get to the Conference centre. It's not obvious to me why they can't continue down to the Point, turn round at the roundabout, and come back. Makes a mockery of the concept.

I agree. It's interesting to observe the attention shown to some sections of the Luas line above others. Even at the early stages of disruption, when trams were only running to Blackhorse, there was a bus service provided for passengers from this area to the city centre. Not once has there been any mention of the Docklands section of the line. There is a poor bus service in the area, as the 151 only really serves the quays in one direction. Why does one part of the line get a replacement bus service but not the other.

the groutch

to be fair to them they did run things very well at Heuston.
made sure everyone knew there was no Luas running towards The Point, organised queues and therefore a speedy filling of each 145 (making sure all Luas tickets were honoured), pointing people in the direction of the 90 or other buses going beyond O'Connell St, etc.

KD345

Their customer care has been excellent. Every stop has a staff member advising passengers and their twitter updates have been great. It's just odd that a big chunk of their line is being ignored.

foggy_lad

KD345 wrote: »

Their customer care has been excellent. Every stop has a staff member advising passengers and their twitter updates have been great. It's just odd that a big chunk of their line is being ignored.

The section beyond Eden Quay is past the main shopping area so there is no pressure from shops and the city council to provide a service to the point, it is all about the money.

wicklowwonder

KD345 wrote: »

wicklowwonder wrote: »

151 which only runs hourly to easy wall rd.

The 151 run every 15 minutes at peak times, every 20 minutes throughout the day, and every 30 minutes in the evenings.

Your point on the Leap card is valid. It highlights how point to point journeys don't really exist on multiple modes of transport in Dublin without paying individual fares.

My mistake I was reading the timetable on my phone and read down instead of across, never got this bus before. Thanks.

LXFlyer

Bus options to/from Docklands:

151 to East Road via North Quays and East Wall Road, returning via Sheriff Street and Oriel Street, Connolly Station

53 to East Wall Road (O2) from Talbot Street (stops at Busaras and Connolly) via North Strand, East Wall Road to terminate at either O2 or Alexandra Road

53a to Alexandra Road via North Quays

15a/15b to Grand Canal Dock via Custom House Quay and Samuel Beckett Bridge

90 to Guild Street via North Quays, returning via Guild Street and Connolly Station

wicklowwonder

lxflyer wrote: »

Bus options to/from Docklands:

151 to East Road via North Quays and East Wall Road, returning via Sheriff Street and Oriel Street, Connolly Station

53 to East Wall Road (O2) from Talbot Street (stops at Busaras and Connolly) via North Strand, East Wall Road to terminate at either O2 or Alexandra Road

53a to Alexandra Road via North Quays

15a/15b to Grand Canal Dock via Custom House Quay and Samuel Beckett Bridge

90 to Guild Street via North Quays, returning via Guild Street and Connolly Station

But none of them go from Heuston to the O2 do they?

Also if you normally travel by Leap card it would mean tagging onto Luas, tagging onto 145 down the Quays then tagging on to the 151 for example. Could cost over €6 for a journey which normally costs €2.35 with the Leap card.

Thanks though for the info, very helpful.

LXFlyer

No, but if you use a Dublin Bus Travel 90 ten journey ticket (90 mins unlimited travel per journey), then each trip from Heuston to the O2 will only cost you €2.10 per journey, which is cheaper than the LUAS.

wicklowwonder

lxflyer wrote: »

No, but if you use a Dublin Bus Travel 90 ten journey ticket (90 mins unlimited travel per journey), then each trip from Heuston to the O2 will only cost you €2.10 per journey, which is cheaper than the LUAS.

True but you have to buy 10 of them and I usually use the bus very rarely.

On another note anybody any idea have alternative travel plans made for the 10,000 darts who will be trying to get to the O2 this evening? A friend of mine usually drives to the red cow then gets the Luas in.... As I am sure many others do as well.

LXFlyer

You buy one card that's valid for 18 months.

I am making the point that there are cheaper alternatives. In the week this is off if you are making that trip every day you would have saved money.

Yes it is a pain having to take 2 buses, but I imagine there is a resource issue here to. DB would have a limited number of buses available for the replacement bus service and if it were to operate to the Point you would in all probability end up with a much reduced frequency due to the longer distance involved.

Getting to the point take either the LUAS bus, 90 or 145 to Bachelors Walk/Ormond Quay and then a 151. Coming back get a 53/53a to Gardiner Street from the Point, or a 151 from East Road to Hawkins Street and then a 145 from O'Connell Bridge, or the 151 to Dame Street and 13, 40 or 123 to James' Street and walk down Steevens Lane.

KD345

lxflyer wrote: »

53 to East Wall Road (O2) from Talbot Street (stops at Busaras and Connolly) via North Strand, East Wall Road to terminate at either O2 or Alexandra Road

Just to point out to anybody intending to use this service, the 53 does not serve/terminate at the o2.

LXFlyer

Since when?

The terminus was always adjacent to the Point Depot on East Wall Road, other than those operating to/from Alexandra Road.

KD345

They haven't served that stop for some time now. Stop 2507 is now just used for the 33D, 33X, 142, 151 and 747.

Buses now just park up on East Road.

dee.

Is the Luas still operating from city centre (bus aras/connolly) to the o2?