We should hang our heads in shame.

California Man

Only four years before The Easter Rising anniversary, and here we are after losing our economic sovereignty, and not a single protest..

Our Prime Minister keeps saying "We will pay our way". But it's not our debt Enda; it's the debt of speculators and gamblers that took massive positions that failed. German and French bond holders etc.

So we just sit here and moan, do sweet feck all about it. The Frech would be up in arms. Our grandchildren will still be paying off this unsustainable debt for years to come.

James Connelly and Padraig Pearce would be turning in their graves. I'm really not sure many here understand that thousands of Irish men and women lost their lives for the freedom and independence of Ireland. The cosy world we live in today, and it's hard to imagine, I guess.

A leading executive in Goldman Sachs resigned this week saying the firm is as toxic and destuctive as ever. A pure shame the way the world is heading. And this week, we learn, the CEO of Bank of Ireland Richie Boucher, was paid €623k last year. Boucher was a senior member of the bank during the boom years, so is partly responsible for the mess. Yet no protests this week.

At least in Iceland the trial of former Icelandic Prime Minister, Geir Haarde, has now begun, on charges of negligence over the 2008 financial crisis.

Do you think Bertie Ahern would ever face trail? Not a chance..

We should hang our heads in shame.

WoollyRedHat

California Man wrote: »

Only four years before The Easter Rising anniversary, and here we are after losing our economic sovereignty, and not a single protest..

Our Taoiseach keeps saying "We will pay our way". But it's not our debt Enda; it's the debt of speculators and gamblers that took massive positions that failed. German and French bond holders etc.

So we just sit here and moan, do sweet feck all about it. The Frech would be up in arms. Our grandchildren will still be paying off this unsustainable debt for years to come.

James Connelly and Padraig Pearce would be turning in their graves. I'm really not sure many here understand that thousands of Irish men/women lost their lives for the freedom and independence of Ireland. The cosy world we live in today, and it's hard to imagine, I guess.

A leading executive in Goldman Sachs resigned this week saying the firm is as toxic and destuctive as ever. A pure shame the way the world is heading. And this week, we learn, the CEO of Bank of Ireland Richie Boucher, was paid €623k last year. Boucher was a senior member of the bank during the boom years, so is partly responsible for the mess. Yet no protests this week.

At least in Iceland the trial of former Icelandic Prime Minister, Geir Haarde, has now begun, on charges of negligence over the 2008 financial crisis.

Do you think Bertie Ahern would ever face trail? Not a chance..

We should hang our heads in shame.

FYP

Born to Die

Connolly

Napper Hawkins

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

FYP

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Oh yay another we're all useless thread. Thanks OP.

Akarinn

Get out of AH!!

WoollyRedHat

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

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Napper Hawkins

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

http://troll.me/images/leela-futurama/leela-futurama.png

Touché, Monsieur.

vicwatson

An Taoiseach not Prime Minister.

Canard

California Man wrote: »

Only four years before The Easter Rising anniversary, and here we are after losing our economic sovereignty, and not a single protest..

Our Prime Minister keeps saying "We will pay our way". But it's not our debt Enda; it's the debt of speculators and gamblers that took massive positions that failed. German and French bond holders etc.

So we just sit here and moan, do sweet feck all about it. The Frech would be up in arms. Our grandchildren will still be paying off this unsustainable debt for years to come.

James Connelly and Padraig Pearce would be turning in their graves. I'm really not sure many here understand that thousands of Irish men and women lost their lives for the freedom and independence of Ireland. The cosy world we live in today, and it's hard to imagine, I guess.

A leading executive in Goldman Sachs resigned this week saying the firm is as toxic and destuctive as ever. A pure shame the way the world is heading. And this week, we learn, the CEO of Bank of Ireland Richie Boucher, was paid €623k last year. Boucher was a senior member of the bank during the boom years, so is partly responsible for the mess. Yet no protests this week.

At least in Iceland the trial of former Icelandic Prime Minister, Geir Haarde, has now begun, on charges of negligence over the 2008 financial crisis.

Do you think Bertie Ahern would ever face trail? Not a chance..

We should hang our heads in shame.

Pearse!!
And don't mix the languages, he hated that. Patrick Pearse or Padraig Mac Piarais.

Would be turning in his grave

Witcher

Whats this 'we' you're not even Irish:pac:


I'm joking, before anyone gets their knickers in a twist

ColeTrain

It's all good and well saying that we should hang our heads in shame but the ordinary citizen is the victim.
Mass protesting would make us look like we cared more alright but what good would it really do?

Born to Die wrote: »

Connolly

What about him? Or have you pulled the OP up on a single letter..

MrJoeSoap

Blay wrote: »

Whats this 'we' you're not even Irish:pac:

:rolleyes:

KeithAFC

James Connelly and Padraig Pearce would be turning in their graves. I'm really not sure many here understand that thousands of Irish men and women lost their lives for the freedom and independence of Ireland. The cosy world we live in today, and it's hard to imagine, I guess.

What has that got to do with the economic reality your country finds itself in? 1916 rising is just a historic moment in Irish history. It isn't going to get you out of the hole you find yourselves in.

James Connolly would be a nightmare in this day and age. I don't think many on here would approve of a Marxist Socialist.

Gran Hermano

If its not bad enough having the Germans and IMF telling us how to run our country now it's the plastic paddies.

mikemac1

Patchy~ wrote: »

Pearse!!
And don't mix the languages, he hated that. Patrick Pearse or Padraig Mac Piarais.

Would be turning in his grave

Thank you

Pearse never ever mixed the languages for his name
Something he was fussy over

Babybuff

California Man wrote: »

and not a single protest..

not a single one? What about the guy with the cement mixer who went on to build stonehenge. Everyone knows only crazy people protest. i think he's kinda cool though

lmaopml

Pml, well that's gloomy op - and to add more gloominess - I'm watching Terry Wogan on BBC4 talking about what makes Ireland Irish in a positive way, as only he does.

Focus on drink, focus on weather when it's crap in Kerry of all places, focus on every stereotype, and raised eyebrowes of the sleb - even moving statues..lol.. - now there's a tit if ever there was a tit. When one has Terry on there side talking shyte on BBC4, well say no more....there is always somebody who will pay for those who peddle it.

Biggins

California Man wrote: »

Only four years before The Easter Rising anniversary, and here we are after losing our economic sovereignty, and not a single protest..

Our Prime Minister keeps saying "We will pay our way". But it's not our debt Enda; it's the debt of speculators and gamblers that took massive positions that failed. German and French bond holders etc.

So we just sit here and moan, do sweet feck all about it.

Speak for yourself please!
I put my money where my mouth is and protest in what ever way I can!
For example: www.unitedpeople.ie (my form of protest - amid many)

slum dog

KeithAFC wrote: »

James Connolly would be a nightmare in this day and age. I don't think many on here would approve of a Marxist Socialist.

ya probably a modern day osama bin laden

wingsof daun

We have no power apart from our back balances, which only a handful have much there anyway. The illuminati banks have the control and power. The politicians are just workers for the elite, knowingly or unknowingly. It is a pyramid scheme, nobody knows whos on top but I hear he isn't very nice.
Break this pyramid of control how I dont know and everything will become balanced once again, because it is definitely out of balance now. I agree op that many of us aren't as patriotic as we used to be. There are many reasons why.

JupiterKid

You know, it's pretty ironic that people were sneering at the Occupy Dame Street people and yet in the same breath they moan and whinge at the state this country finds itself in. The sad thing is that they can't even see the pathetic irony in their disconnect.:(

Sneer at the occupy Dame Street crowd all you like and rejoice in their being removed so as not to look embarrassing in front of the world for the Paddy's Day parade. At least they were actually doing something, making a protest as the humiliating situation this country is in.

But as long as we have the drink to numb us down and dumb us down and keep us nice a docile sure won't it all be grand?

Witcher

JupiterKid wrote: »

You know, it's pretty ironic that people were sneering at the Occupy Dame Street people and yet in the same breath they moan and whinge at the state this country finds itself in. The sad thing is that they can't even see the pathetic irony in their disconnect.:(

Sneer at the occupy Dame Street crowd all you like and rejoice in their being removed so as not to look embarrassing in front of the world for the Paddy's Day parade. At least they were actually doing something, making a protest as the humiliating situation this country is in.

But as long as we have the drink to numb us down and dumb us down and keep us nice a docile sure won't it all be grand?

I hardly think a group of people living like vagrants are going to turn the country on it's heels and set it on the course to recovery.

starbelgrade

California Man wrote: »

We should hang our heads in shame.

And tell me, OP - what are you doing about it besides moaning over the internet about the lack of effort everyone else is putting in?

I'm sick of these fucking moany arsed, "why is nobody protesting?" type threads. If you feel that angered by it, then go & do something about it besides whinging from behind your shagging keyboard about it.

Deus Ex Machina

Should you still hang your head in shame if you know nothing about any of this and don't give a Frenchman's fuçk about it?

darlett

Blay wrote: »

I hardly think a group of people living like vagrants are going to turn the country on it's heels and set it on the course to recovery.

Indeed, numb me and dumb me, but Occupy Dame Street wasnt exactly a protest against the situation of this country. And doing something? Well. Theres many of us that dont have time to do so little for so long but by all means criticise our lack of effort compared to the professional protestors trying to rebuild the country from scratch..

Johro

starbelgrade wrote: »

And tell me, OP - what are you doing about it besides moaning over the internet about the lack of effort everyone else is putting in?

I'm sick of these fucking moany arsed, "why is nobody protesting?" type threads. If you feel that angered by it, then go & do something about it besides whinging from behind your shagging keyboard about it.

Yeah coz none of us are keyboard warriors :rolleyes:

Biggins

The truth is OP, we are all just as pissed off as you with some so far getting away with many things.
SOME will do nothing more than moan - but I have seen (along side me) others in great numbers protesting their opposition to various matters that concerns them, be it governmental, policy issues (fathers rightes - see www.fathers.ie), health issues (Crumlin hospital for me is one - which many here will know why), protesting the cult of Scientology or frankly, the lies and non-actions of our (one after another) governments.

Some might right hang heads with shame - but others ARE out there voicing opposition and protesting.
I dunno about you but I hear about them, often see them daily!
Have you not being even seeing or hearing these protests? What planet are you living on?

FinnLizzy

What do we owe the 1916 lads anyways? They cashed in on one major hit and fúcked off.

AnamGlas

California Man wrote: »

The French would be up in arms.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

KyussBishop

In fairness, it's the utter failure of the media in this country to make the public aware of events that is the reason nothing happens; wholly subservient news organizations breed an apathetic population, and absolutely nothing is going to change (ever) until that does.

Dudess

Among those of us not bothering to do anything is you OP. Always has to be everyone else doesn't it?

cloptrop

Just scanned over the thread op , what if I said Connolly and Pearse got what they wanted and it didnt work out?
Just thought Id throw that out there and see how you felt about it,

policarp

cloptrop wrote: »

Just scanned over the thread op , what if I said Connolly and Pearse got what they wanted and it didnt work out?
Just thought Id throw that out there and see how you felt about it,

We would be speaking Gaelge with a scots accent. . .

KyussBishop

This is a (really good) post on a US-centric blog, regarding our economy:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/03/philip-pilkington-the-irish-begin-to-wake-up-to-the-fact-that-they-are-repaying-money-that-is-then-burned.html

We don't have that kind of informative stuff published here as far as I can tell; I learn more about our own economy from US-centric sources than I do from anything published in Ireland.

cloptrop

KyussBishop wrote: »

This is a (really good) post on a US-centric blog, regarding our economy:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/03/philip-pilkington-the-irish-begin-to-wake-up-to-the-fact-that-they-are-repaying-money-that-is-then-burned.html

We don't have that kind of informative stuff published here as far as I can tell; I learn more about our own economy from US-centric sources than I do from anything published in Ireland.

Calling this groundbreaking journalism shows your knowledge of economics, and your willing to believe anything that is printed ,

JupiterKid

Well, you may not have agreed with the occupy Dame St protest - and I didn't fully agree with their tactics - but at least they were trying to do something in terms of making a statement.

One of the reasons IMO why there hasn't been a mass uprising of anger yet is that the country is in such deep, deep, deep dogsh*t that most people don't even know where to start. There was another thread on AH comparing this recession to the one of the 1980s and most opined that things now weren't as bad as the 80s. But Ireland are still only at the beginning of its own "lost decade."

Give it time.

KyussBishop

cloptrop wrote: »

Calling this groundbreaking journalism shows your knowledge of economics, and your willing to believe anything that is printed ,

If you've got something other than ad-hominem against it me, I'm all ears (though it's not quite on-topic for this thread).

It attempts some kind of informative analysis where much of media here regurgitates press releases or provides fairly tame reporting on subjects, with little investigate journalism or critical analysis.

The Scientician

Thought this was about the Brendan O'Connor Show the other night.

StupidLikeAFox

Biggins wrote: »

Speak for yourself please!
I put my money where my mouth is and protest in what ever way I can!
For example: www.unitedpeople.ie (my form of protest - amid many)

Im not sure if you plagiarised them, or they plagiarised you, but your homepage contains the exact same list as one on the Fianna Fail website

http://www.fiannafail.ie/page/-/files/Ogra/U-Turn%20List.pdf

Fratton Fred

I didn't realise that French and German speculators were responsible for Irish property developers (of which half the country thought they were) creating the mother of all property bubbles, or an incompetent government fueling the bubble so they could milk the tax benefits and remain in power and continue lining their own pockets.

Gummy Panda

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I didn't realise that French and German speculators were responsible for Irish property developers (of which half the country thought they were) creating the mother of all property bubbles, or an incompetent government fueling the bubble so they could milk the tax benefits and remain in power and continue lining their own pockets.

Sure didn't you know, the French and Germans built Priority Hall. It's cause of them the residents are going to have to declare bankruptcy

Eve_Dublin

Ehhh...I won't hang my head in shame, thanks. I haven't done anything wrong.

Dudess

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Ehhh...I won't hang my head in shame, thanks. I haven't done anything wrong.

Yep, gotta love the staggering lack of self awareness of these threads. OP are you hanging your head in shame or blaming everyone else while remaining smug and somehow blameless yourself? The "we" sh1t tends not to apply to those who are such fans of using it.
Oh and start a protest there since you're so angered by the lack of same. But you won't.

I reckon the reason there aren't protests is: people waiting for others to do so. Plus, people not actually being in that horrific a situation. Things are bad, but generally not bad enough to drive people to the streets, just to whinge at their laptops and Macs. Yep, life's tough for them.

mikemac1

California Man wrote: »

and not a single protest..
We should hang our heads in shame.

Social media nowadays OP, never been easier to arrange events

You want leadership?
How about you step up and be leader and organize this protest

....or else moan on boards that the rest of us are not doing enough

You want something OP, it's up to you to go for it :cool:

Biggins

ColHol wrote: »

Im not sure if you plagiarised them, or they plagiarised you, but your homepage contains the exact same list as one on the Fianna Fail website

http://www.fiannafail.ie/page/-/files/Ogra/U-Turn%20List.pdf

They copied mine!
They didn't even bother to update the grammar errors!
I don't think they will be coping this other page soon though! Lest we forget!: http://unitedpeople.ie/fail.html

Milk & Honey

California Man wrote: »

Only four years before The Easter Rising anniversary, and here we are after losing our economic sovereignty, and not a single protest..

There is an anniversary of the Easter rising this year, there will be one next year and the year after. Where does this four years before the anniversary come from?

fedor.2.

Milk & Honey wrote: »

There is an anniversary of the Easter rising this year, there will be one next year and the year after. Where does this four years before the anniversary come from?

100 years like:rolleyes:

_Gawd_

The reason people are not up in arms is because they still have access to their dole money. Once that tries up, there will be chaos. Nobody in this country has any principles nor do they care about how the economy works - all they want to know is if their freebies will still be coming so that they can buy their pack of ciggies and 6 Dutch Gold.

fedor.2.

_Gawd_ wrote: »

The reason people are not up in arms is because they still have access to their dole money. Once that tries up, there will be chaos. Nobody in this country has any principles nor do they care about how the economy works - all they want to know is if their freebies will still be coming so that they can buy their pack of ciggies and 6 Dutch Gold.

I can tell you have put an awful amount of thought in to this

iguana

darlett wrote: »

Indeed, numb me and dumb me, but Occupy Dame Street wasnt exactly a protest against the situation of this country.

No that's exactly what it was.

This thread makes me laugh.

Rabble: There are no protests!
Voice of reason: Actually there are, you just haven't joined them.
Rabble: No there weren't.
VoR: Gives example.
Rabble: That was a stupid protest, it wouldn't achieve anything, it was only a few eejits, it wasn't even protesting the exact thing it was protesting because I didn't like it.

For crying out loud, of course a protest will be ineffectual if people don't get off their ar$es and support it. And there have been a whole load of protests over the last few years. Every few months in fact and organised by completely different groups, so it isn't as if people aren't actually spoilt for choice when it comes to deciding who to take action with. Don't want to protest with unions, hippies, the SWP? No problem, even the some of the smartest economics geeks* in the country have organised protests like thepropertypin protest against NAMA when it was first mooted. But most people prefer to whine nonsensically.


*I say geeks with affection.