Pick your new coach

skregs

Throw the names you want to see in there early.

(Probably) Available:

Nick Mallet
Jake White
Graham Henry(!)
Andy Robinson
Martin Johnson
Steady Eddie

I reckon the IRFU will want someone closer to home they can keep under the thumb to an extent, so it will be Foley, Ruddock, COS or Schmidt.

irishbucsfan

There are plenty more coaches out there. They don't have to be out if contract.

Bring in Mick Dawson as a consultant to hire a coach!

Sindri

Mick O' Dwyer.

washman3

Pat Gilroy

Kayless

Id go for Henry, the man has a wealth of experience (Wales, The Lions and NZ) still... we'll have to wait a year

"The Argentine Rugby Union made the announcement on Wednesday and said Henry would be given a one-year contract beginning in April"

Schmidt would also do a good job but with him gone from Leinster the team might slip in terms of quality

Basically I think what we need is someone with no ties to Munster, Leinster or Ulster, someone who's not afraid to bring in youth to replace stagnant players like Heaslip and D`arcy someone who knows how to play smart rugby and use his bench someone who'll tell the IRFU to fire that damn guy on the loud speaker at the Aviva... that kind of thing

Monty Burnz

Roy Keane is free.

delta_bravo

De villiers

Mr.Crinklewood

Nick Mallet.

Coaching setup should include Jason Holland.

MidlandsM

Michael O'Leary

thomond2006

Head Coach: Marc Lievremont
Backs Coach: Gregor Townsend
Forwards Coach: Laurie Fisher
Skills Coach: Tomas O'Leary
Team Manager/PR Guy: Peter de Villiers

lologram

thomond2006 wrote: »

Head Coach: Marc Lievremont
Backs Coach: Gregor Townsend
Forwards Coach: Laurie Fisher
Skills Coach: Tomas O'Leary
Team Manager/PR Guy: Peter de Villiers

Scrum Coach: Tony Buckley

dougieruggie

Kayless wrote: »

"The Argentine Rugby Union made the announcement on Wednesday and said Henry would be given a one-year contract beginning in April"

**** sake, if the IRFU had moved faster we could be looking at Henry as our coach.

IRFU need to get their heads out of their arses and move for Mallet, NOW.

Please no COS, he is a supporter of Sexton to 12 and ROG at 10

rrpc

It's not just a head coach we need. We've lacked depth in the coaching team for some time now, Alan Gaffney was never a great backs coach but he was better than none which is what we effectively had since the RWC.

I don't know what we were doing at half time but we certainly didn't seem to have a plan to nullify or at least reduce the damage the English scrum was doing to us. Without a TH backup, it probably would not have been possible but there didn't seem to be any plan B for that situation. The game was still in the balance at that stage but we just capitulated in the second half and I still have no clue as to why Reddan was taken off to be replaced by a suicidal TOL.

As for a new coach, I couldn't even begin to pick one. Look at Joe Schmidt who probably wouldn't have been on anyone's radar before Leinster hired him and look at how he has turned out.

Hottowel

Can't believe people are talking about Graham henry. Let's be honest I know he has some pluses on his side but I'm just going to high light the negatives

1-came to wales as the great redeemer, after initial success he gets thumped 54-10 by Ireland and goes back to new Zealand

2-gets the lions gig. Some how manages to lose the series against oz when we appeared to have a far better squad. Generally agreed that he picked far too many welsh players to try and justify job he was doing in wales.

3- after 2003 rwc he gets the all black gig. This is without doubt the most talented international team in the world. He does well with them but cannot win a world cup in 2007 after capitulating on the world stage. Everyone wants him gone as head coach but he somehow holds on to his job. 2011 rwc despite all the talent in new Zealand they haven't found a back up 10 to Dan Carter their campaign shakes they hit trouble with fly halfs. They make it to the final against a Marc livermount French outfit, That won the game but bizarrely the ref awarded the game to new Zealand.

I know it's a negative look, but god surely there are some better options out there. Having had steady Eddie and deccie it would be great to get a liberal guy someone who is willing to pick someone with only a few caps.

Hottowel

Hottowel wrote: »

Can't believe people are talking about Graham henry. Let's be honest I know he has some pluses on his side but I'm just going to high light the negatives

1-came to wales as the great redeemer, after initial success he gets thumped 54-10 by Ireland and goes back to new Zealand

2-gets the lions gig. Some how manages to lose the series against oz when we appeared to have a far better squad. Generally agreed that he picked far too many welsh players to try and justify job he was doing in wales.

3- after 2003 rwc he gets the all black gig. This is without doubt the most talented international team in the world. He does well with them but cannot win a world cup in 2007 after capitulating on the world stage. Everyone wants him gone as head coach but he somehow holds on to his job. 2011 rwc despite all the talent in new Zealand they haven't found a back up 10 to Dan Carter their campaign shakes they hit trouble with fly halfs. They make it to the final against a Marc livermount French outfit, That won the game but bizarrely the ref awarded the game to new Zealand.

I know it's a negative look, but god surely there are some better options out there. Having had steady Eddie and deccie it would be great to get a liberal guy someone who is willing to pick someone with only a few caps.

i agree henrys not all that what about a connor o shea (seems to know his rugby and he commands huge respect within the english and qunis setup), john kirwan (did a very good job with a japan team thats never been good)

irishbucsfan

Wayne Smith before Munster get their grubby hands on him. Or Ewen McKenzie?

this might be a controversial one and Im probably biased was a huge fan as a player but dose anthony foley deserve a look or shoud he be given the munster job first

rrpc

Khloe Miniature Martinet wrote: »

this might be a controversial one and Im probably biased was a huge fan as a player but dose anthony foley deserve a look or shoud he be given the munster job first

He was the forwards coach for yesterday. Injuries went against him, but no plan B.

Jury still out I'd have to say. I'd like him to succeed but it's far too early to be making long term decisions and giving the job to a basically untried specialist coach.

Martin Johnson a prime example of what happens there.

rrpc

rrpc wrote: »

He was the forwards coach for yesterday. Injuries went against him, but no plan B.

Jury still out I'd have to say. I'd like him to succeed but it's far too early to be making long term decisions and giving the job to a basically untried specialist coach.

Martin Johnson a prime example of what happens there.

ya id agree as i said im a bit biased was a huge fan of him as a player:)

rrpc

Khloe Miniature Martinet wrote: »

ya id agree as i said im a bit biased was a huge fan of him as a player:)

No harm in that.

I'm starting to believe that the better a player is, the worse a coach they make. We've seen this in other sports as well. The guys who have struggled in their careers seem to make better coaches, perhaps because they've had to work much harder on their game and spend a lot more time on self-analysis. As a result, they may find it easier to articulate what's required from particular players and have a better grasp of technical issues.

irishbucsfan

rrpc wrote: »

Khloe Miniature Martinet wrote: »

ya id agree as i said im a bit biased was a huge fan of him as a player:)

No harm in that.

I'm starting to believe that the better a player is, the worse a coach they make. We've seen this in other sports as well. The guys who have struggled in their careers seem to make better coaches, perhaps because they've had to work much harder on their game and spend a lot more time on self-analysis. As a result, they may find it easier to articulate what's required from particular players and have a better grasp of technical issues.

Coach Tony Buckley is going to revolutionise the game!

rrpc

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Coach Tony Buckley is going to revolutionise the game!

I think I used the word 'work' in that post...

liammur

No top coach would want this job.
We have players telling us they are 'superior' to the opposition before a match, yet we've only won in Paris once in 40 years, whilst the 'inferior' opposition has just blown France out of it in Paris.
We have no scrum, O Connell will be gone soon, then no pack leader, our centres are going down quicker than water in the niagra falls.

Kayless

liammur wrote: »

No top coach would want this job.
We have players telling us they are 'superior' to the opposition before a match, yet we've only won in Paris once in 40 years, whilst the 'inferior' opposition has just blown France out of it in Paris.
We have no scrum, O Connell will be gone soon, then no pack leader, our centres are going down quicker than water in the niagra falls.

bit of optimism never hurt anyone, the amount of talent we have is a good place to start... what team wouldn't give their left nut for a Rob Kearney or Ferris?

MoneyMilo

Wayne Smith. Nick Mallett. Someone foreign, please.

MoneyMilo

Hottowel wrote: »

Can't believe people are talking about Graham henry. Let's be honest I know he has some pluses on his side but I'm just going to high light the negatives

1-came to wales as the great redeemer, after initial success he gets thumped 54-10 by Ireland and goes back to new Zealand

2-gets the lions gig. Some how manages to lose the series against oz when we appeared to have a far better squad. Generally agreed that he picked far too many welsh players to try and justify job he was doing in wales.

3- after 2003 rwc he gets the all black gig. This is without doubt the most talented international team in the world. He does well with them but cannot win a world cup in 2007 after capitulating on the world stage. Everyone wants him gone as head coach but he somehow holds on to his job. 2011 rwc despite all the talent in new Zealand they haven't found a back up 10 to Dan Carter their campaign shakes they hit trouble with fly halfs. They make it to the final against a Marc livermount French outfit, That won the game but bizarrely the ref awarded the game to new Zealand.

I know it's a negative look, but god surely there are some better options out there. Having had steady Eddie and deccie it would be great to get a liberal guy someone who is willing to pick someone with only a few caps.

In fairness that Lions Tour lost to inury: Greenwood, Dallaglio, Hill, Howley, Luger and put it up to a great Wallabies team of world champs. Henry wouldn't take the job but he has been the head coach of the best team over the past what 7 years. I'd take him in heartbeat

.ak

Vern Cotter please.

tolosenc

Anyone but Deccie!

Cpt_Blackbeard

I think that Kidney really needs to see out the rest of the year. Regardless of feelings about him, we need some consistency throughout the year if we are to improve our rankings for the next WC. Show him the door after the AIs and allow a new coach in to build a squad for the future.

Tox56

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

I think that Kidney really needs to see out the rest of the year. Regardless of feelings about him, we need some consistency throughout the year if we are to improve our rankings for the next WC. Show him the door after the AIs and allow a new coach in to build a squad for the future.

We had consistency and conservatism throughout the Six nations, and we are now 8th.

rrpc

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

I think that Kidney really needs to see out the rest of the year. Regardless of feelings about him, we need some consistency throughout the year if we are to improve our rankings for the next WC. Show him the door after the AIs and allow a new coach in to build a squad for the future.

Our next three games are against NZ. I think they're too far above us in ranking points to affect our rankings should we lose all three. That's not a bad time to bring in a new coach.

Cpt_Blackbeard

Tox56 wrote: »

We had consistency and conservatism throughout the Six nations, and we are now 8th.

Changing the management team now will just make things worse. We need consistency of structure to see out the year. A new team is best served after the AIs when they can take the squad for a few weeks before Christmas and another few weeks leading into the 6N.

Management and players need time to gel and learn structures before they go straight into a 3 test series against NZ which could make or break or next worldcup. I'd advocate new coaches for the AIs, but they will probably be what saves our place in the top 8 in the rankings.

Cpt_Blackbeard

rrpc wrote: »

Our next three games are against NZ. I think they're too far above us in ranking points to affect our rankings should we lose all three. That's not a bad time to bring in a new coach.

Regardless a 3 test series at the end of a very long season (pretty much 2 seasons straight for most of the squad) is not the place to be learning new tactics and structures.

Cpt_Blackbeard

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Regardless a 3 test series at the end of a very long season (pretty much 2 seasons straight for most of the squad) is not the place to be learning new tactics and structures.

yeah, lets just stick with the ones that are doing so well for us!?

:rolleyes:

Cpt_Blackbeard

Deleted User wrote: »

yeah, lets just stick with the ones that are doing so well for us!?

:rolleyes:

Didn't realise Kidney was the one getting ràped by the English frontrow. Do you honestly think going to New Zealand with a new coaching structure that has had maybe two weeks with the squad and one friendly is a smart idea? A new management team won't even have a chance to properly asses any new additions to the squad.

Change for change sake is pointless. Ask Lievermont (sp??), it cost him his job despite bringing a team to the WC final.

irishbucsfan

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

yeah, lets just stick with the ones that are doing so well for us!?

:rolleyes:

Didn't realise Kidney was the one getting ràped by the English frontrow. Do you honestly think going to New Zealand with a new coaching structure that has had maybe two weeks with the squad and one friendly is a smart idea? A new management team won't even have a chance to properly asses any new additions to the squad.

Change for change sake is pointless. Ask Lievermont (sp??), it cost him his job despite bringing a team to the WC final.

What are you in about? You can say that for any poor managements performance in any sport.

And change for changes sake!? As if there's no reason people want a change?


You're not even giving a decent excuse here. Before a summer tour is the IDEAL time to bring in a new coaching team.

tolosenc

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Didn't realise Kidney was the one getting ràped by the English frontrow. Do you honestly think going to New Zealand with a new coaching structure that has had maybe two weeks with the squad and one friendly is a smart idea? A new management team won't even have a chance to properly asses any new additions to the squad.

Change for change sake is pointless. Ask Lievermont (sp??), it cost him his job despite bringing a team to the WC final.

Do you honestly think there is no one who could do any better? Kidney has been visibly out of his depth for a few years now. Some belief in the coach is almost all that the team needs.

MungBean

Is there AI's this year and do we know against who ? Dont see anything on the fixtures list on the irfu website.

tolosenc

MungBean wrote: »

Is there AI's this year and do we know against who ? Dont see anything on the fixtures list on the irfu website.

Oz, SA and Samoa

[Jackass]

I don't know who'd I'd like to see as head coach, I think you'd need a panel to look at various coaches in Europe and S15, and not particularly head coaches, but people who could make the step up, plus any established free agents, but in terms of backroom staff, I'd like to see Foley involved as a coach with the national team, possibly with a view to taking over Munster / Irish job down the line. (and Foley can't take much if any blame for the man shaming of the pack against England, as it's not like he's had years to put systems in place, like uncle deccie et al have had....)

MungBean

What outcomes would put pressure on the Irfu to change the coaching team ? Bar losing the 6 games I cant see any result that would. And we may scrape one win against the big boys and Deccie will be looking good.

I cant see him going anywhere to be honest, perhaps after another disaster in next years six nations we may be rid of him.

wonderboysam

martin johnson lol

Cpt_Blackbeard

irishbucsfan wrote: »

What are you in about? You can say that for any poor managements performance in any sport.

And change for changes sake!? As if there's no reason people want a change?


You're not even giving a decent excuse here. Before a summer tour is the IDEAL time to bring in a new coaching team.

Regardless if we beat England or not, people would have wanted Kidney out of a job. The loss has only given an excuse to be vocal with the witch hunt.

In general it would be a good time for a new management team, but this is a test series against the all blacks in a WC ranking year. Just one win will greatly increase our rankings and will facilitate experimentation/new coaches in August. If we bring in a new coach and start playing a new game, the chances of winning will decrease. Then we will not have room for experimentation in August as we will need to win games to ensure our rankings.

tolosenc

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Regardless if we beat England or not, people would have wanted Kidney out of a job. The loss has only given an excuse to be vocal with the witch hunt.

In general it would be a good time for a new management team, but this is a test series against the all blacks in a WC ranking year. Just one win will greatly increase our rankings and will facilitate experimentation/new coaches in August. If we bring in a new coach and start playing a new game, the chances of winning will decrease. Then we will not have room for experimentation in August as we will need to win games to ensure our rankings.

Incorrect. They cannot go below 0%.

MungBean

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Regardless if we beat England or not, people would have wanted Kidney out of a job. The loss has only given an excuse to be vocal with the witch hunt.

In general it would be a good time for a new management team, but this is a test series against the all blacks in a WC ranking year. Just one win will greatly increase our rankings and will facilitate experimentation/new coaches in August. If we bring in a new coach and start playing a new game, the chances of winning will decrease. Then we will not have room for experimentation in August as we will need to win games to ensure our rankings.

But based on how Deccie has been performing the chances of a win are extremely low. The experimentation is needed now to try and get one of those wins because all signs point to us not getting a win against NZ, AU or SA and end up at the end of the season is a scrap with Samoa to salvage 8th place if we can even hold onto that.

The "this is a world cup ranking year we cant take risks" as it stands now actually works against Kidney. We need to salvage something from this year so lets not take risks by keeping a coach who stands little chance of delivering. Lets go for the safe option and bring in someone who stands a better chance.

endabob1

skregs wrote: »

Nick Mallet
Jake White
Graham Henry(!)
Andy Robinson
Martin Johnson
Steady Eddie
.

Of that lot only Mallet is actually available and close to suitable. White has already said he was approached about the England Job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2111849/Jake-White-says-running-England-job.html

Henry as mentioned elsewhere is work with the Pumas.
Robinson is about to be fired from the Scotland Job, Johnson must be there as a joke & the IRFU would never go back to EOS.

I wonder what type of Job Gert Smal would do, evolution as opposed to revolution.

Kayless

endabob1 wrote: »

Of that lot only Mallet is actually available and close to suitable. White has already said he was approached about the England Job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2111849/Jake-White-says-running-England-job.html

Henry as mentioned elsewhere is work with the Pumas.
Robinson is about to be fired from the Scotland Job, Johnson must be there as a joke & the IRFU would never go back to EOS.

I wonder what type of Job Gert Smal would do, evolution as opposed to revolution.

Its not looking good, god knows the IRFU we'll end up with someone worse than DK :rolleyes: to hell with Humphreys, give it to Mclaughlin

irishbucsfan

endabob1 wrote: »

Of that lot only Mallet is actually available and close to suitable. White has already said he was approached about the England Job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2111849/Jake-White-says-running-England-job.html

Henry as mentioned elsewhere is work with the Pumas.
Robinson is about to be fired from the Scotland Job, Johnson must be there as a joke & the IRFU would never go back to EOS.

I wonder what type of Job Gert Smal would do, evolution as opposed to revolution.

You're maing the assumption that the IRFU have to hire someone who is out of contract, that's not the case.

There are plenty of top coaches available in the world of rugby. Neither Michael Cheika or Joe Schmidt were either well known or out of contract when they became head coach of Leinster.

bradley did a good job at connaght and is doing a good job in edinburgh also trained the under 20s for a few years could be worth a look

rrpc

Khloe Miniature Martinet wrote: »

bradley did a good job at connaght and is doing a good job in edinburgh also trained the under 20s for a few years could be worth a look

Nope, we shouldn't be picking anyone who's got any connection to the domestic setup. A nice fresh hungry Kiwi who wouldn't be bringing any baggage with him would be ideal.

irishbucsfan

Khloe Miniature Martinet wrote: »

bradley did a good job at connaght and is doing a good job in edinburgh also trained the under 20s for a few years could be worth a look

Connacht fans couldnt wait to be rid of him