where to emigrate to ?

Evie90

So i found out today that i will not be entitled to a grant for college next year, so I won't be able to go. I've been looking for a job for the last two years and have had no luck, I'm currently surviving on money that i earn for doing odd jobs for people.... cleaning, ironing, babysitting etc as I am not entitled to social welfare either so I often have no money at all for weeks. I have no ties here my parents have both sadly passed away, and my siblings all have their own families (I'm currently sleeping on my sisters couch but she has 3 kids so it's not a long term solution) If I sell everything I own that has any value I should have about €3000 to get myself a plane ticket and get set up which I know isn't a lot. So what I want to know is where would you go if you were in my situation? ( I'm 20 btw)

PseudoFamous

Japan because why the hell not.

Courtown

who the fug

What do you want to do for a living

Duggy747

The moon

Or England. At least they have different flavoured Walkers crisps there.

Micky Dolenz

I hear Cork is nice in the spring time.

Ellis Dee

London or somewhere else in Britain. Reasons: you won't need anything like all of your €3,000 to get there and support yourself until you have a job and a place to live. You can begin earning and hopefully saving some cash while you get used to being away from Ireland and your old friends and relatives, and it will give you time to gain work experience and at the same time look around and plan carefully where you want to move to next.:D

Good luck.:)

Evie90

who the fug wrote: »

What do you want to do for a living

At this stage anything, but realistically with no collage education (for the foreseeable future anyway) bar/restaurant or retail are probably my only options.

munchkin_utd

Evie90 wrote: »

At this stage anything, but realistically with no collage education (for the foreseeable future anyway) bar/restaurant or retail are probably my only options.

pity.

Germany are shockin stuck for engineers at the mo.
The engineering association reckon in a press release today that theres 105,000 open posts for graduate engineers in germany at the moment
http://www.vdi.de/44033.0.html?&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=56975&cHash=f35251c19b0d141e17f9b97f549dccdf

And last month 87,000 posts went unfilled as there were no suitable applicants.

Elba101

Go teach English in Asia - good job, good pay and amazing lifestyle!

Immaculate Pasta

Isle of Man :cool:

Duckworth_Luas

Western Australia! $250 a day laying bricks, no experience necessary!

Evie90

munchkin_utd wrote: »

pity.

Germany are shockin stuck for engineers at the mo.
The engineering association reckon in a press release today that theres 105,000 open posts for graduate engineers in germany at the moment
http://www.vdi.de/44033.0.html?&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=56975&cHash=f35251c19b0d141e17f9b97f549dccdf

And last month 87,000 posts went unfilled as there were no suitable applicants.

It is a pity because I was hoping to go in to either IT or engineering and my German is fairly good as well. But I'm afraid it doesn't look like college is going to happen for a few years anyway.

Sergeant

Elba101 wrote: »

Go teach English in Asia - good job, good pay and amazing lifestyle!

This seems to be a popular option. If you have a degree then do a TEFL, and look for a job. They pay for the flight over and give you a free apartment (at least in Korea, where a family member works). Pay is good, and as mentioned, the lifestyle seems to be a good one.

Wattle

Sounds like the OP doesn't have a degree which would bar him from teaching in some Asian countries. You can still teach in some countries but expect the conditions to be very basic and the pay not that great either.

who the fug

Evie90 wrote: »

At this stage anything, but realistically with no collage education (for the foreseeable future anyway) bar/restaurant or retail are probably my only options.

What were you going to do at university before you found out, you could not get a grant

Evie90

I was looking into doing something related to sustainable energy, either sustainable civil engineering, or smart sustainable energy.

Elba101

Sergeant wrote: »

This seems to be a popular option. If you have a degree then do a TEFL, and look for a job. They pay for the flight over and give you a free apartment (at least in Korea, where a family member works). Pay is good, and as mentioned, the lifestyle seems to be a good one.

Yeah I'm loving it here!

OP I just saw that you are only 20. Assumed you were older because of your situation. I say sell up, do a TEFL or CELTA coure and go teach English in Europe. It'll be an amazing experience with security and something that'll always stand to you.

Best of luck!

Evie90

Wattle wrote: »

Sounds like the OP doesn't have a degree which would bar him from teaching in some Asian countries. You can still teach in some countries but expect the conditions to be very basic and the pay not that great either.

Yeah I Googled 'Teach English in Asia' so I know that's out of the question. Also I'm a girl I probably should have mentioned that before.

Elba101

Evie90 wrote: »

Yeah I Googled 'Teach English in Asia' so I know that's out of the question. Also I'm a girl I probably should have mentioned that before.

You can teach in some European countries without a degree. Look into it - it's an option!

Wattle

Elba101 wrote: »

You can teach in some European countries without a degree. Look into it - it's an option!

True. The Czech Republic for one. Prague is a beautiful city.

Evie90

Elba101 wrote: »

Yeah I'm loving it here!

OP I just saw that you are only 20. Assumed you were older because of your situation. I say sell up, do a TEFL or CELTA coure and go teach English in Europe. It'll be an amazing experience with security and something that'll always stand to you.

Best of luck!

That does seem to be a good idea, but would I not need a degree ?

Opps you answered that above didn't see it [facepalm]

Evie90

Elba101 wrote: »

You can teach in some European countries without a degree. Look into it - it's an option!

I will thanks for the suggestion.

LordSutch

England - Canada - USA - Australia - New Zealand.

Nothingbetter2d

Evie90 wrote: »

So i found out today that i will not be entitled to a grant for college next year, so I won't be able to go. I've been looking for a job for the last two years and have had no luck, I'm currently surviving on money that i earn for doing odd jobs for people.... cleaning, ironing, babysitting etc as I am not entitled to social welfare either so I often have no money at all for weeks. I have no ties here my parents have both sadly passed away, and my siblings all have their own families (I'm currently sleeping on my sisters couch but she has 3 kids so it's not a long term solution) If I sell everything I own that has any value I should have about €3000 to get myself a plane ticket and get set up which I know isn't a lot. So what I want to know is where would you go if you were in my situation? ( I'm 20 btw)

go on the game then you can pay for your education

jester77

LordSutch wrote: »

England - Canada - USA - Australia - New Zealand.

Apart from England, the rest are too far away and would leave very little left to survive on while trying to get setup. Plus they also require visa's. Best sticking to EU countries, can get there cheap & no issues with visa's.

You say that you have some German. Lots of jobs around Germany at the moment, so that would be a good option plus the language is easy to pick up.

FoxT

Evie90 wrote: »

It is a pity because I was hoping to go in to either IT or engineering and my German is fairly good as well. But I'm afraid it doesn't look like college is going to happen for a few years anyway.

Do any German companies take on apprentice engineers? I seem to recall that Germany had something like this going on, in the past at least. That may be worth exploring.


Or if you could get a place as a trainee technician, say, with a german company & work your way up from there?

Again - reasonably close to home, you have the language, your eu3k wont get burnt up on travel etc.

Another option - I believe Apple are always on the lookout for multilingual people to wokr in their centre here in Cork....dont know what qualifications they are looking for, though.

Best of Luck.

twinytwo

munchkin_utd wrote: »

pity.

Germany are shockin stuck for engineers at the mo.
The engineering association reckon in a press release today that theres 105,000 open posts for graduate engineers in germany at the moment
http://www.vdi.de/44033.0.html?&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=56975&cHash=f35251c19b0d141e17f9b97f549dccdf

And last month 87,000 posts went unfilled as there were no suitable applicants.

i dunno about you i made the mistake of studying french for the lc

shanered

Most of my friends have emigrated at this stage (we are all 23-26yrs).
Most of them have went to Austrailia, but they did this together mostly and had people they knew, another on the other hand jumped on the plane to Canada, no qualifications, no links, knew nobody, just got there with money for deposit and one months rent and got a job selling bagels in Vancouver, he is happy out in his situation, he just checked the ads for who he was moving in with and found some people who don't mind a smoker and moved in with three other unknown canadian young professionals.
I reckon Canada would be a good bet is the jist of what I'm trying to say I think...
Good luck one way or the other!

donegal_road

Evie90 wrote: »

I was looking into doing something related to sustainable energy, either sustainable civil engineering, or smart sustainable energy.

MIT in Boston are starting to offer free online degrees... I think it may not be just as straight forward as that all the same, but might be worth looking into

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

BraziliaNZ

shanered wrote: »

Most of my friends have emigrated at this stage (we are all 23-26yrs).
Most of them have went to Austrailia, but they did this together mostly and had people they knew, another on the other hand jumped on the plane to Canada, no qualifications, no links, knew nobody, just got there with money for deposit and one months rent and got a job selling bagels in Vancouver, he is happy out in his situation, he just checked the ads for who he was moving in with and found some people who don't mind a smoker and moved in with three other unknown canadian young professionals.
I reckon Canada would be a good bet is the jist of what I'm trying to say I think...
Good luck one way or the other!

Yeah, most of your mates will be back in a year's time with some drunken stories without a penny in their pocket as they're on working holiday visas. This mass emigration thing is a load of hype over nothing.

ShadowHearth

Downtown?

KeithAFC

Northern Ireland?

OneArt

If you're German's even at a reasonable level you'd be able to get work in a restaurant or even in a kitchen. And there's always plenty of Irish pubs which look for people in places like Cologne, Dusseldorf etc.

Also if you brushed up on it you could go to college here. It's 250 euro per semester in Nordrhein-Westfalen atm. I'm going in October.

Fight_Night

A family member is teaching English in Indonesia and says it's amazing. The company he's working for pays for their apartment, bodyguards etc. and they get a good salary, and they don't have to deal with any bratty kids. Worth checking out imo.

retalivity

A lot of the asian teaching jobs require a tefl, celta or a degree.

I have a friend who lives in Georgia (The former russian soviet, not the state in America) and works in a quasi-volunteer job in a vineyard. He gets food & board and wages, more than enought to live there.
Its something different. Theres some company who offer stuff like this all over the world, lemme see if i can find them

Evie90

OneArt wrote: »

If you're German's even at a reasonable level you'd be able to get work in a restaurant or even in a kitchen. And there's always plenty of Irish pubs which look for people in places like Cologne, Dusseldorf etc.

Also if you brushed up on it you could go to college here. It's 250 euro per semester in Nordrhein-Westfalen atm. I'm going in October.

I got an A2 in higher level LC German so I would say I have a fairly good standard to begin with and I'm sure I'd adjust fairly quickly to speaking it all the time, I didn't realize college was so cheap over there, I'll defiantly look into it thanks so much .

I am pie

So we have a seemingly intelligent student, speaks some German (valuable commodity in terms of languages) and studying in a field which Ireland has a skills gap (IT/Engineering) and she is forced to go and study abroad. Something wrong with the system it strikes me.

Is there no possibility of a student loan OP to get you through? Why not would be my question !

El Jefe

Ellis Dee wrote: »

London or somewhere else in Britain. Reasons: you won't need anything like all of your €3,000 to get there and support yourself until you have a job and a place to live. You can begin earning and hopefully saving some cash while you get used to being away from Ireland and your old friends and relatives, and it will give you time to gain work experience and at the same time look around and plan carefully where you want to move to next.:D

Good luck.:)

Although Oz and Canada are the most appealing , I would have to agree with the above advise. Somewhere close to home like London/Edinburgh are prob your best bet cause if things dont work out at least you are only a cheap plane or ferry trip away from family who can help you out where as if things dont go well in Canada/Oz you could end up with no money, no home and huge fares to get home. Also the reloaction costs of moving to the Uk are not too bad and there seems to be a fair amount of work about( Living in Edinburgh myself, and would recommend it, plenty of work here) Anyhoo , best of luck Op and keep the head up.

starlit

The UK or somewhere in Europe perhaps one of the countries that doesn't have the Euro or else one of the more wealthy countries such as France or Germany.
Oz might be an option but I think Canada, the US, Asia or New Zealand be a better option than Oz at the moment. Getting harder for Irish emigrants to find work in Oz.

Evie90

I am pie wrote: »

So we have a seemingly intelligent student, speaks some German (valuable commodity in terms of languages) and studying in a field which Ireland has a skills gap (IT/Engineering) and she is forced to go and study abroad. Something wrong with the system it strikes me.

Is there no possibility of a student loan OP to get you through? Why not would be my question !

Well all anybody in grant/social welfare offices seem to be able to tell me is 'oh well you just fell through the cracks' so they're no help whatsoever.
I've looked into getting a loan but as my parents are both dead (which is the cause of most of the complications regarding grants and social welfare) I have nobody to guarantee the loan, my siblings are all in considerable debt themselves so I don't think they could help in that sense either.

I think I've just been really unlucky in how my life has panned out so far but being told no for any sort of help or job when all I want to do is work and educate myself is getting infuriating at this stage.

RiseToTheTop

who the fug wrote: »

What do you want to do for a living

Sell crack cocaine to old age pensioners, manufacture 50KG's of C4 and keep it under my bed. Also take Sniper Rifle courses at the weekend.

who the fug

Evie90 wrote: »

I was looking into doing something related to sustainable energy, either sustainable civil engineering, or smart sustainable energy.

Well sit down and have a look at UK universities that do what you want to do and research when you can get UK grants etc.

No point coming over with out a plan

Evie90

El Jefe wrote: »

Although Oz and Canada are the most appealing , I would have to agree with the above advise. Somewhere close to home like London/Edinburgh are prob your best bet cause if things dont work out at least you are only a cheap plane or ferry trip away from family who can help you out where as if things dont go well in Canada/Oz you could end up with no money, no home and huge fares to get home. Also the reloaction costs of moving to the Uk are not too bad and there seems to be a fair amount of work about( Living in Edinburgh myself, and would recommend it, plenty of work here) Anyhoo , best of luck Op and keep the head up.

Edinburgh might be an option too, What's the cost of living like over there ?

OS119

Evie90 wrote: »

Edinburgh might be an option too, What's the cost of living like over there ?

depends on your tastes.

with a working knowledge of German you could walk into a £8+ph job in Glasgow, you'd pay about £300pcm for a decent room in a shared flat in the very nice Hillhead/Dowanhill/Partickhill/Hyndland areas, travel would be £1.60 a day into town - or free if you walk for 30 mins - you could easily live on £30 a week for food, and you'll pay about £3 for a pint of beer. healthcare is free, council tax would be about £30/40 pcm, and you earn about £6k before you pay tax at 20%.

do that for a few months and your German would improve markedly, that would then give you the skills - and confidence - to move to Germany to work and study in your chosen field.

good luck.

bullpost

I think this is your best option.
You will end up with fluent German and with such a strong economy you'll always have work and sounds like college will be an affordable option as well.

I spent some time over there in the past and theres great social life in cities like Frankfurt and Munich is really nice as well. and its reasonanly cheap to fly home .

OneArt wrote: »

If you're German's even at a reasonable level you'd be able to get work in a restaurant or even in a kitchen. And there's always plenty of Irish pubs which look for people in places like Cologne, Dusseldorf etc.

Also if you brushed up on it you could go to college here. It's 250 euro per semester in Nordrhein-Westfalen atm. I'm going in October.

token101

Evie90 wrote: »

Well all anybody in grant/social welfare offices seem to be able to tell me is 'oh well you just fell through the cracks' so they're no help whatsoever.
I've looked into getting a loan but as my parents are both dead (which is the cause of most of the complications regarding grants and social welfare) I have nobody to guarantee the loan, my siblings are all in considerable debt themselves so I don't think they could help in that sense either.

I think I've just been really unlucky in how my life has panned out so far but being told no for any sort of help or job when all I want to do is work and educate myself is getting infuriating at this stage.

Scotland has free education for all EU students. No fees at all. You apply through UCAS. If you were to get your 3k, that'd last you half the year if you were thrifty. You could get a job if you were stuck. They'd have bursaries aswell, and they also have what they call hardship funds. The points or their equivalent would be far less aswell. UCAS doesn't close until June I think. I wouldn't be hanging around here if I was you. I don't know your circumstances, but it sounds like you've been treated like sh*t by Social Welfare and the Grants offices, whilst the local scummers probably knock out a few more kids and get a bigger gaff. We live in a fair society that way.

Worth knowing aswell that Edinburgh and Glasgow would be very tough to get by on low money, but Dundee, Aberdeen and Stirling would be a lot cheaper to live in.

stone roses

anywhere but oz!!, ireland is great , i wouldnt leave anywhere else in the world im glad to say, love it!

OS119

token101 wrote: »

...Aberdeen...

cherr ching!

Aberdeen is very expensive these days - all the oil money has driven rents through the roof - its also, like Dundee, not that brilliant if you have fun finding work because its so far to get get anywhere else.

Glasgow and Edinburgh have the advantage of giving you other options - you could live in one and work in the other, as well giving access to all the less desirable option in the central belt.

OneArt

Evie90 wrote: »

I got an A2 in higher level LC German so I would say I have a fairly good standard to begin with and I'm sure I'd adjust fairly quickly to speaking it all the time, I didn't realize college was so cheap over there, I'll defiantly look into it thanks so much .

I think you'll be fine, I got C3 in the Leaving at higher and I speak it with reasonable fluency now. Also college in NRW is technically free, the money you will be paying is for the social contribution and for a Semesterticket.

The Semesterticket basically means you have free transport around the state as long as you're studying, so you've a lot of freedom to explore if you've got any time off.

Also some cities are more expensive than others. I live in Essen which is pretty average, you can find a very nice studio apartment here for about 260 with all bills included. Cologne and Dusseldorf tend to have Dublin prices with regards to rent. But if you want to go for student residences you normally will only end up paying between 170 and 240 a month including bills.

UglyBolloxFace

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Western Australia! $250 a day laying bricks, no experience necessary!

OP, are you Irish yeah? Well the Aussie bricklaying is not a viable option so.