No Irish need apply...

ambasite

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/australian-embassy-blasts-racist-advert-asking-no-irish-to-apply-for-bricklaying-job-3047010.html

Charlie Haughy

Racism in Australia... Well I never!

MyKeyG

Next there'll be an article claiming that modern day Australians treat the native minority with contempt and disdain!

The Aussie

Sounds like someone is sick of poor work ethics and work standards.

Also sounds like the attitude to Eastern Europeans on building sites when Ireland was not poverty stricken, but that will be forgotten in this thread that will descend into usual the whinge, i will be back in a few pages for a giggle.

CrackisWhack

Big headline, but total non story really, one guy posts a stupid add on Gumtree, shocked the independant went with this story(actually not really)

Xavi6

Yesterday's After Hours version of this thread provided plenty of lulz :pac:

Guy's an idiot for posting an ad like that but probably has had bad experiences, hence the reasoning behind it.

Meh

mandrake04

Old news there was a thread on here yesterday, I think someone from this board sent the screen shot to the Indo.

I phoned yer mans mobile last night for a laugh anyway, asked him for a job.

CrackisWhack

The Aussie wrote: »

Sounds like someone is sick of poor work ethics and work standards.

Also sounds like the attitude to Eastern Europeans on building sites when Ireland was not poverty stricken, but that will be forgotten in this thread that will descend into usual the whinge, i will be back in a few pages for a giggle.

Jesus, you sound as if you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, are you condoning this sort of advert or what? are you saying Irish people have bad ethics and work standards?

Also I would find the reversal, no polish need apply, equally retarded.

LLU

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Big headline, but total non story really, one guy posts a stupid add on Gumtree, shocked the independant went with this story(actually not really)

it's the Independents favourite type of story i.e. one which they can produce by just sitting on their arse surfing the web. If it involves any work or real research, forget it.

MyKeyG

The Aussie wrote: »

Sounds like someone is sick of poor work ethics and work standards.

Also sounds like the attitude to Eastern Europeans on building sites when Ireland was not poverty stricken, but that will be forgotten in this thread that will descend into usual the whinge, i will be back in a few pages for a giggle.

What absolute nonsense. I never saw a notice in this country claiming people of a particular nationality need not apply. And who said the Irish had an attitude towards the Polish? That's right the Polish did!

Father Damo

250 in a town with money to burn seems a bit low for brickying.

Anyway, this is the Indo, its possible a journalist posted the ad themselves to create a story. Bit like the sh1te that went around (that a god awful amount of people, mainly tradies, believe) that No Irish Wanted was a common poster outside building sites in Poland. Aye, because obviously in some Auf Wiedersehen Pet throwback Irish lads are trying to labour on Polish sites for 3 euro an hour. Even when the Poles were coming to Ireland their McJobs were populated back home by workers from non EU states. If anything alot of Aussie firms prefer Irish staff, despite the Monday risks that go with it....

The Aussie

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Jesus, you sound as if you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder

No, but i am a Carpenter so ive got a few Splinters.

CrackisWhack wrote: »

are you condoning this sort of advert or what? are you saying Irish people have bad ethics and work standards?

No, did i say this in my Reply, Nice try though.

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Also I would find the reversal, no polish need apply, equally retarded.

So would i, but you obviously dont know anyone with a disability or you would find the R word as vile as i do, just as heads up its up, it is in the same league as the N word for Black people.

MyKeyG wrote: »

What absolute nonsense. I never saw a notice in this country claiming people of a particular nationality need not apply. And who said the Irish had an attitude towards the Polish? That's right the Polish did!

No, it is normally worded a bit smarter than the poster of the Gumtree add, normally goes along the lines of "Must be fluent in English" in jobs that does not require a masters degree, and the Polish would say that because they were on the receiving end of it, just because you did not experience it, it does not mean it did not happen.

Xavi6

Comments section here will be fun -

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/no-irish-outrage-at-aussie-job-ad/story-e6frg2qc-1226298435994?from=public_rss

Ellis Dee

What has he got against Irish people? Doesn't he know they're nearly all white?

CrackisWhack

The Aussie wrote: »

No, but i am a Carpenter so ive got a few Splinters.



No, did i say this in my Reply, Nice try though.



So would i, but you obviously dont know anyone with a disability or you would find the R word as vile as i do, just as heads up its up, it is in the same league as the N word for Black people.



No, it is normally worded a bit smarter than the poster of the Gumtree add, normally goes along the lines of "Must be fluent in English" in jobs that does not require a masters degree, and the Polish would say that because they were on the receiving end of it, just because you did not experience it, it does not mean it did not happen.

:pac: ok I get, you just like shít stirring.

hussey

Mod Please calm down and stop putting words in his mouth saying:
"Sounds like someone is sick of poor work ethics and work standards."
is not near "are you saying Irish people have bad ethics and work standards?"

hint: someone = poster of original ad, and if you read the ad, it's exactly what he (poster) is complaining about.

elliott550

Gumtree is bloody embarrassing. The amount of Irish lookn for work ad's is ridiulous 'Hi my name is Gearoid, 21, Irish lad, want work doing absolutely anything, can build walls, climb trees, recite the alphabet backwards...' Annoying thing is (it doesnt really annoy me) you know these lads have got work after a day or 2 but dont close their ad on gumtree. Just check, every day its the same.

mandrake04

In the Indo he says his Name is Simon, when I phoned I asked for Chris and he said there was no Chris there.

But I got the feeling he was getting a bit fed up with the whole thing because he hung up on me.

Father Damo

elliott550 wrote: »

Gumtree is bloody embarrassing. The amount of Irish lookn for work ad's is ridiulous 'Hi my name is Gearoid, 21, Irish lad, want work doing absolutely anything, can build walls, climb trees, recite the alphabet backwards...'

Irish people putting ads on gumtree listing their experience and ability is embarassing? How in the fcuk do you get worik without some type of skills description??? If Im an employer in any field a one liner and a phone number would tell me the guy can barely read/ write and likely cant count.

skipz

Xavi6 wrote: »

Comments section here will be fun -

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/no-irish-outrage-at-aussie-job-ad/story-e6frg2qc-1226298435994?from=public_rss

was reading this earlier, liked the one were he calls Irish "Spudheads"

Working here in Perth as a Irish brickie myself and to be honest he should have put "no backpackers", i know were he's coming from saying no Irish though.
I wouldnt touch a backpacker when it comes to bricklaying. They all had a sh1t work ethic as they didnt care as they need cash to travel on or drinking to much and thinking its a holiday, which it is as they are on WHV's.
If you want to work as qualified tradesperson, why not get a skills migrant visa?

irishmover

skipz wrote: »

Xavi6 wrote: »

Comments section here will be fun -

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/no-irish-outrage-at-aussie-job-ad/story-e6frg2qc-1226298435994?from=public_rss

was reading this earlier, liked the one were he calls Irish "Spudheads"

Working here in Perth as a Irish brickie myself and to be honest he should have put "no backpackers", i know were he's coming from saying no Irish though.
I wouldnt touch a backpacker when it comes to bricklaying. They all had a sh1t work ethic as they didnt care as they need cash to travel on or drinking to much and thinking its a holiday, which it is as they are on WHV's.
If you want to work as qualified tradesperson, why not get a skills migrant visa?

Sure..... Or maybe these people have no interest in that? They just want a fast buck to keep them ticking over for the year.

This guy should research potential employees a lot better, then maybe he wouldn't be recruiting messers.

If those Irish bricklayers who lied about experience were that bad then they're just as much an embarrassment to Ireland as this guy is to Australia's discrimination laws.

Two sides to every story.

Lying to employers over here to just make a fast buck until they get caught out then moving onto another lie with another company. It's those people who are ruining it for the rest of us and making people like this guy have that generalized opinion.

elliott550

As I said, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. The original post should be taken in context - it's a gumtree ad. heres lots of Irish on gumtree lookn work, they dont close their ad's after posting. I'm not captain answer man - i don't have all the answers, just puttn in my 2 cents

dmcronin

On the backpacker circuit a few years ago, there were a quota of lowlife scumbag Irish, stealing stuff like iPods in hostels etc from other backpackers.

A few Irish guys were invited by the (Scottish) couple in a house I was staying in in Perth one Christmas, the amount of roaring and shouting out of them was unreal...the place looked like a bomb hit it the following morning.

It might have been better to word the ad 'no backpackers' or 'mature applicants with quals only' to filter out the dregs.

OMARS_COMING_

skipz wrote: »

was reading this earlier, liked the one were he calls Irish "Spudheads"

Working here in Perth as a Irish brickie myself and to be honest he should have put "no backpackers", i know were he's coming from saying no Irish though.
I wouldnt touch a backpacker when it comes to bricklaying. They all had a sh1t work ethic as they didnt care as they need cash to travel on or drinking to much and thinking its a holiday, which it is as they are on WHV's.
If you want to work as qualified tradesperson, why not get a skills migrant visa?

Im on the verge of bboking flights to OZ,im a brickie myself and finished up work last friday and if i can id like to keep working and avoid the dole-it doesnt look like ill be able to get any work over here.

Could you tell me what the situation is with work over there maybe-is there much work around?

markymark21

elliott550 wrote: »

Gumtree is bloody embarrassing. The amount of Irish lookn for work ad's is ridiulous 'Hi my name is Gearoid, 21, Irish lad, want work doing absolutely anything, can build walls, climb trees, recite the alphabet backwards...' Annoying thing is (it doesnt really annoy me) you know these lads have got work after a day or 2 but dont close their ad on gumtree. Just check, every day its the same.

Haha I know I guy called Gearoid (21), lives a few doors down!


I can't blame the gumtree poster. If he has got burnt by Irish people before its kinda justified

mandrake04

Pity it got reported in the indo as it spoilt the fun, I was going create an ad on donedeal.ie looking for 500 brickies with an offer of sponsorship and post his phone number. I reckon he would have needed to change his phone number (although he probably will need to now anyway)

Serves the Pommie c*nt right.

deisedude

Why didn't he get them to lay a few bricks before offering the job? Then you would know whether they are chancers or not

Sundy

Lets be honest there are loads of waster irish people over here. Plenty I wouldnt even invite into my own house.

He worded the ad wrong but thats about it really.

Jumpy

Ellis Dee wrote: »

What has he got against Irish people? Doesn't he know they're nearly all white?

You do realise that the Irish also did all of the above right?
How far back in history do you want to go?

Might want to check out the Scoti while you are googling pictures there.

Doc

Jumpy wrote: »

You do realise that the Irish also did all of the above right?
How far back in history do you want to go?

Might want to check out the Scoti while you are googling pictures there.

The problem with Australia day is the day they chose to have it on not that they have the day. The date commemorates the arrival of the First Fleet at Sydney Cove in 1788 and the proclamation at that time of British sovereignty. In an inclusive countries trying to heal the wounds done to the indigenes people, having "Australia day" a day for all Australians to celebrate all things Australian on the date of what many aboriginals see as Invasion Day is a bit wrong in my opinion.

The Aussie

CrackisWhack wrote: »

:pac: ok I get, you just like shít stirring.

No, just calling it how it is and stating the fact.

Doc wrote: »

"Australia day" a day for all Australians to celebrate all things Australian.

Its been a long long time since i had a few beers for Australia Day, it seems to have been hijacked by the Bogans to see who can Out Australian each other, the whole thing is quite embarrassing really.

Jumpy wrote: »

You do realise that the Irish also did all of the above right?
How far back in history do you want to go?

Might want to check out the Scoti while you are googling pictures there.

But Jumpy, they have been wanting to post that picture here for ages, even though the Thread had nothing to do with Australia Day or Aboriginals up until that stage is totally irrelevant to the point.

Mr. Loverman

I would not be surprised if the Independent posted that advert.

catbear

The only hassle I've got so far in Australia for being irish was from another irish person when they found out I wasn't into the GAA, "You're not really Irish then, are you?".

Mr. Loverman

catbear wrote: »

The only hassle I've got so far in Australia for being irish was from another irish person when they found out I wasn't into the GAA, "You're not really Irish then, are you?".

I hate that crap. I'm from Blackrock in Dublin and I don't really have a Dublin accent so I've often been told "You're not really from Dublin/Irish then, are you?"

:cool:

Mellor

The Aussie wrote: »

No, did i say this in my Reply, Nice try though.

It sounded like you implied it. Even if not the case, Surely you can see how somebody might read it that way as you directing it at the irish.

If not, could you explain then, how it's related to the above gumtree post and the Irish.

The Aussie wrote: »

Sounds like someone is sick of poor work ethics and work standards.

So would I, but you obviously dont know anyone with a disability or you would find the R word as vile as i do, just as heads up its up, it is in the same league as the N word for Black people.

Off topic. The word isn't universally offensive. Not when used in a manner completely unrelated to mental disability.
I don't like it at all when the word is used in association with disability, even politely. As it's totally obsolete. So I don't have the connection between the two anymore. The coloquial use of retard should break this connection for everyone. And it will end up like Imbecile or Moron, both of which were once psycological terms, yet today quite mild.

skipz

OMARS_COMING_ wrote: »

Im on the verge of bboking flights to OZ,im a brickie myself and finished up work last friday and if i can id like to keep working and avoid the dole-it doesnt look like ill be able to get any work over here.

Could you tell me what the situation is with work over there maybe-is there much work around?

Yeah there is work around, not as much as people make out but its there.
The construction of house's in Perth has slowed down and the wages dropped since i started, but if you put the effort in a learn the Australian ways in bricklaying you should be sorted.
Its expensive to live in Perth and your wage wont match the miners but its a good wage for the city.

The Aussie

Mellor wrote: »

It sounded like you implied it.

I did not think the written text had a sound

Mellor wrote: »

Even if not the case, Surely you can see how somebody might read it that way as you directing it at the irish.

If not, could you explain then, how it's related to the above gumtree post and the Irish.

Direct quote from the link,
"Simon, the man who placed the ad, defended the move today stating that he was sick of Irish people applying for jobs with no experience.
“I have no trouble with Irish people,” he told Independent.ie, but he would not disclose his full name or the name of the company he works for.
“But I’ve had to fire a number of people. I’ve had lots of Irish people say they have experience bricklaying but come over and have no clue how to lay bricks"


and my reply was

The Aussie wrote: »

Sounds like someone is sick of poor work ethics and work standards.

So yes, i think Simon is sick of poor work standards and ethics. ie Somebody = Simon.

Mellor wrote: »

Off topic. The word isn't universally offensive. Not when used in a manner completely unrelated to mental disability.
I don't like it at all when the word is used in association with disability, even politely. As it's totally obsolete. So I don't have the connection between the two anymore. The coloquial use of retard should break this connection for everyone. And it will end up like Imbecile or Moron, both of which were once psycological terms, yet today quite mild.

So just because Black people call each other the N word is it cool for me to call them it as well??? if its cool for them hey.

Old Tom

Father Damo wrote: »

250 in a town with money to burn seems a bit low for brickying.

Anyway, this is the Indo, its possible a journalist posted the ad themselves to create a story. Bit like the sh1te that went around (that a god awful amount of people, mainly tradies, believe) that No Irish Wanted was a common poster outside building sites in Poland. Aye, because obviously in some Auf Wiedersehen Pet throwback Irish lads are trying to labour on Polish sites for 3 euro an hour. Even when the Poles were coming to Ireland their McJobs were populated back home by workers from non EU states. If anything alot of Aussie firms prefer Irish staff, despite the Monday risks that go with it....

Ha, the thing's happened in Australia, it's all about the Irish - and again it's all gonna end up with talking about the Polish. Common sense, where are you!!?

doomed

Its all very disappointing really that as a nation we are losing the ability to drink all night and still turn up for work having popped a few solpedeine and a breakfast roll.

Mr NoTV

Blocklaying is not the same as Bricklaying ... there are probably many blocklayers [perfectly good at their job in Ireland] aiming for work in other countries ... some of whom would never construct using concrete block.
Australia just happens to be a place with high standards in work practice and safety. If anyone applies for a job there, they have to be aware of that and if an employer has experience of failures, he/she will see fit to change selection procedures.

Cooperspale

So apparently the ad was placed by an Irish or English bloke....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0314/1224313271708.html?via=mr

skipz

Mr NoTV wrote: »

Blocklaying is not the same as Bricklaying ... there are probably many blocklayers [perfectly good at their job in Ireland] aiming for work in other countries ... some of whom would never construct using concrete block.
Australia just happens to be a place with high standards in work practice and safety. If anyone applies for a job there, they have to be aware of that and if an employer has experience of failures, he/she will see fit to change selection procedures.

A qualified bricklayer from any country should be well able to build bricks, blocks and other types of masonary world wide.
House designs and ways of building might be different but you still use the same materials and use the same methods with a trowel and mortar.

mandrake04

Cooperspale wrote: »

So apparently the ad was placed by an Irish or English bloke....
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0314/1224313271708.html?via=mr

The guy I rang (Chris Ford) was English, had a bit of an Aussie twang but was defnitely a Pom.

The Aussie

"IT SOUNDS like a bad joke, but both an Irishman and an Englishman have said they posted a job ad on the Gumtree website looking for a bricklayer, but warning that “No Irish” need apply."

Must.....Resist..Urge.....To......Laugh.My...Fcuking....Arse...Off

Seriously though, the only people this will affect is Irish tradsesmen who actually bothered to do an Apprenticeship, not these Spanners who have burnt bridges before them, and the worse thing about it is they will be back in Ireland pretending to be something or other sooner rather than later, the old "If you can Piss you can Paint" mentality is alive and well.

mandrake04

Look he should have just said 'No Muppets' rather than no Irish, IMO there was no racism just a dose of sectarianism.

dSTAR

Jumpy wrote: »

You do realise that the Irish also did all of the above right?

Please provide evidence and by that I mean gleaned from primary source material not some dubious second hand accounts you've dug up online.

The thing that gets me the most is the arrogance and double standards of Aussies. They will turn around and tell the Original owners of the land to get over it. But dare to say 'get over it' to the diggers when they march every ANZAC Day and you risk getting lynched.

hussey

Mod So it appears the ad was placed by an Irish or English guy - so it well be some sort of joke leading up to st Patrick's day ... But that is speculation

So now can we get back on thread?
No 'sure all Aussies are racist' 'No we are not, sure look at the way poles get treated in Ireland' 'Look at how the aboriginals were treated'
Don't want anything massively off track and let's keep it in recent history
We will not tar Australians based on one stupid ad posted by an Irish/Englishman.

dSTAR

hussey wrote: »

so it well be some sort of joke leading up to st Patrick's day ... But that is speculation

Sorry mate you can't just play it down by saying it was a joke and we should all just move on. Even if it was a joke which I highly doubt it was done in extreme bad taste.

http://www.irishecho.com.au/2011/07/17/comment-time-for-the-stupid-irish-joke-to-be-laid-to-rest/11036

hussey

dSTAR wrote: »

Sorry mate you can't just play it down by saying it was a joke and we should all just move on. Even if it was a joke which I highly doubt it was done in extreme bad taste.

Mod
I didn't say it was a joke, I speculated it may be a joke please learn the difference, my points stands, it was made my an Englishman, so why are people tarring Australians with the racist brush?
<edit>Note: I am not accusing you of being racist, at all.</edit>

dSTAR

hussey wrote: »

so why are people tarring Australians with the racist brush?

For the record:

This post was edited the original singled me out personally by saying..

so why are you tarring Australians with the racist brush?

mandrake04

dSTAR wrote: »

For the record:

This post was edited the original singled me out personally by saying..

so why are you tarring Australians with the racist brush?

No he didnt.