Failure or not

risteard7

Do you consider people who dont go on to third level education and
settle for minnimum wage/low paid jobs a failure or lacking ambition? A
fella i know met a girl and they started going out, but when her dad found out he was a barman, he didnt want her going out with him!

I think thats a stuck up attitude to have, i used to be a barman and worked low paid jobs, but would never look down on people who choose
to continue to work them?

booboo88

risteard7 wrote: »

Do you consider people who dont go on to third level education and
settle for minnimum wage/low paid jobs a failure or lacking ambition? A
fella i know met a girl and they started going out, but when her dad found out he was a barman, he didnt want her going out with him!

I think thats a stuck up attitude to have, i used to be a barman and worked low paid jobs, but would never look down on people who choose
to continue to work them?

Who really cares once he treated her with respect?
Do you know what job her dad had?

micropig

risteard7 wrote: »

Do you consider people who dont go on to third level education and
settle for minnimum wage/low paid jobs a failure or lacking ambition? A
fella i know met a girl and they started going out, but when her dad found out he was a barman, he didnt want her going out with him!

I think thats a stuck up attitude to have, i used to be a barman and worked low paid jobs, but would never look down on people who choose
to continue to work them?

Once they weren't trying to borrow money off me I couldn't care less what job/qualifications they had

hondasam

risteard7 wrote: »

Do you consider people who dont go on to third level education and
settle for minnimum wage/low paid jobs a failure or lacking ambition? A
fella i know met a girl and they started going out, but when her dad found out he was a barman, he didnt want her going out with him!

I think thats a stuck up attitude to have, i used to be a barman and worked low paid jobs, but would never look down on people who choose
to continue to work them?

He wants the best for his daughter, seems normal enough tbh.

senorwipesalot

No place for work snobbery any more.Hats off to anyone willing to go out and do a days work even for minimum wage.Not a failure.

How much do they pay you him in the bar?

Micky Dolenz

You are that fella aren't you OP?

I'll have a pint of heineken, sound.

saa

No I look down upon people who do courses that are not for them because of what others think and stay miserable just to have a "good" job you hate.
Thats just a judgmental parent but because they are judgmental doesn't mean that is something wrong with what they are not accepting of.

College isn't for everyone and many graduates work minimum wage jobs nothing wrong with it at all.

Kohl

risteard7 wrote: »

Do you consider people who dont go on to third level education and
settle for minnimum wage/low paid jobs a failure or lacking ambition? A
fella i know met a girl and they started going out, but when her dad found out he was a barman, he didnt want her going out with him!

I think thats a stuck up attitude to have, i used to be a barman and worked low paid jobs, but would never look down on people who choose
to continue to work them?

There are plenty of people who start businesses without advanced education. I feel underqualified to go out with most Irish women.

risteard7

booboo88 wrote: »

Who really cares once he treated her with respect?
Do you know what job her dad had?

I i think its shocking! They really get on well, I think hes a manager of some company

Jess16

What people look for in a partner is their own business

krudler

risteard7 wrote: »

go on to third level education and
settle for minnimum wage/low paid jobs

no dating art students for her then :pac:

St.Spodo

risteard7 wrote: »

Do you consider people who dont go on to third level education and
settle for minnimum wage/low paid jobs a failure or lacking ambition? A
fella i know met a girl and they started going out, but when her dad found out he was a barman, he didnt want her going out with him!

I think thats a stuck up attitude to have, i used to be a barman and worked low paid jobs, but would never look down on people who choose
to continue to work them?

I'm making a big assumption about the aul' fella here, but he sounds like the worst kind of prick. Work can be and is very difficult to come by now, and in any case people have much more to offer than what work they do.

marketty

Not going to third level doesn't necessarily mean minimum wage for the rest of your life.
Just like going to third level doesn't mean you will earn more than minimum wage.

RichieC

Jess16 wrote: »

What people look for in a partner is their own business

rimshot? :pac:

risteard7

Sacramento wrote: »

How much do they pay you him in the bar?

Theres allways one :rolleyes:

senorwipesalot

Jess16 wrote: »

What people look for in a partner is their own business

Free beer

TreesAreCrowd

Failure? No.
Lacking ambition? Certainly.

There's nothing wrong with it really as it only affects themselves, however, for whatever reason, they also tend to be the type to point the finger at everyone else for their own mediocrity.

Micky Dolenz

risteard7 wrote: »

Theres allways one :rolleyes:

Sacramento wrote: »

How much do they pay you him in the bar?

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

You are that fella aren't you OP?

I'll have a pint of heineken, sound.

I think you'll find there is two.

Now wheres me pint?

hondasam

risteard7 wrote: »

I i think its shocking! They really get on well, I think hes a manager of some company

Is she ambitious and does she have a job? if this person really likes the girl then he can improve his skills, go back to college, that would impress the dad.

Call Me Jimmy

risteard7 wrote: »

I think hes a manager of some company

Course he is!

My name is URL

He's probably a raging alcoholic and feared being outed by your offers of free beer.

Micky Dolenz

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Failure? No.
Lacking ambition? Certainly.

There's nothing wrong with it really as it only affects themselves, however, for whatever reason, they also tend to be the type to point the finger at everyone else for their own mediocrity.

I don't think you can judge ambition on that. When I left school, two of my mates worked behind a bar. One now manages a small hotel in England and the other owns a bar here.

44leto

I know a soldier his girlfriend's parents so disapproved of their daughters boyfriend they refused to go to the wedding.

But now about 25 years have past it is a very successful happy marriage with well adjusted kids. He was saying his wifes parents have apologized to them umpteen times and admitted time and time again their mistake. He gets on with them now.

angry kitten

Maybe she could be the high earner in the relationship. I'm sure there are plenty of men out there who would be quite happy to be kept men, equality and all that.

hondasam

angry kitten wrote: »

Maybe she could be the high earner in the relationship. I'm sure there are plenty of men out there who would be quite happy to be kept men, equality and all that.

It's hardly equal if he is a kept man.

angry kitten

Well there are plenty of happy kept women. I don't see anything wrong with being a kept man.

Call Me Jimmy

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Lacking ambition? Certainly.

If you define ambition as a high paying office job and that being your whole identity...

TreesAreCrowd

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I don't think you can judge ambition on that. When I left school, two of my mates worked behind a bar. One now manages a small hotel in England and the other owns a bar here.

Well, the original poster referred to the people who forewent college and chose minimum wage work and stayed at it, implying medium->long term minimum wage/low skilled labour.

There's lots of young, driven people entering into the bar trade, hotel trade, retail and similar without third level education who are going to give it their all and succeed at it. These are the people who go on to become managers or own their own business. The people who, years later, are still working their entry level job are those I was referring to in my above comment regarding lacking ambition and from my experience I would say they also constitute the majority in these jobs.

TreesAreCrowd

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

If you define ambition as a high paying office job and that being your whole identity...

Everyone wants to succeed and everyone measures success in different ways. Entering a job and never succeeding at it or doing "better" than when you start can only be attributed to a lack of drive and ambition, or not taking yourself, your life and that of those depending on you very seriously.

Akarinn

Pfffft... I left school when i was 15... Now i am a share holder in a multi-billion euro industry, goin to college and havin a degree doesnt make u any better then...

MARTINOZ

hondasam wrote: »

He wants the best for his daughter, seems normal enough tbh.

No he doesn't. He wants what he thinks is best for his daughter. He should try asking his daughter what she wants.


Or he could just blast them both with...

Bloody Nipples

Fair play if you don't go to college and manage to make a success of yourself, but it is waaaaaaay harder. And that's assuming you have the ambition and drive to do it.

If you look at the circumstances and yer man is a barman as a result of circumstances outside his control then he's just unlucky but if he's never tried to better himself (because being a barman isn't exactly setting the world on fire) then he's just lazy.

Father's still a git for sticking his nose in one way or the other.

oppenheimer1

Akarinn wrote: »

Pfffft... I left school when i was 15... Now i am a share holder in a multi-billion euro industry, goin to college and havin a degree doesnt make u any better then...

Able to buy shares but not a fully functioning keyboard.

Being a shareholder in a company is not a measure of success btw.

TreesAreCrowd

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Able to buy shares but not a fully functioning keyboard.

Being a shareholder in a company is not a measure of success btw.

The fact that that needed to be pointed out would surely indicate the futility of even bothering to do so?

K-9

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Fair play if you don't go to college and manage to make a success of yourself, but it is waaaaaaay harder. And that's assuming you have the ambition and drive to do it.

If you look at the circumstances and yer man is a barman as a result of circumstances outside his control then he's just unlucky but if he's never tried to better himself (because being a barman isn't exactly setting the world on fire) then he's just lazy.

Father's still a git for sticking his nose in one way or the other.

A barman can be a fun job, many people enjoy it, good communication skills a must, good social outlet.

Fair enough if he didn't try and become a manager or start his own business but the same can be said for Guards, prison officers etc. Do the basic course and just stay at the bottom rung. Maybe they are happy at it?

Mightn't be everybody's cup of tea but no reason to look down on somebody.

The Snipe

Who cares what you work as, a job is a job in this day and age. One thing the Irish didn't seem to notice during the boom is that - all those jobs that you take for granted have to be done by someone!

micropig

XiledSniper wrote: »

Who cares what you work as, a job is a job in this day and age. One thing the Irish didn't seem to notice during the boom is that - all those jobs that you take for granted have to be done by someone!

Yes, but we got foreigners for that now:rolleyes::p:D

fedor.2.

hondasam wrote: »

Is she ambitious and does she have a job? if this person really likes the girl then he can improve his skills, go back to college, that would impress the dad.

How is the single life these days any way

Fr D Maugire

I think its also noticeable in this thread that people associate being successful with money. This then leads onto having the huge house, the big unnecessary 4x4s/car's, all the latest BS technology etc, etc. Its more status than anything. Yes people who dont desire these things are unambitious and lazy:rolleyes:

I always find it amazing how many people I meet who seem to have it made with the great job, big money whom like to flaunt it, but get to know many of them better and they hate their jobs and are constantly stressed and the only reason they are doing it is for the money and status. Ridiculous.

If a lower paid person is not stupid with money, is reliable and trustworthy, they are as likely to be able to provide the essentials in life as well as the better paid people whose main plus is to offer the BS status stuff as an extra.

hondasam

fedor.2. wrote: »

How is the single life these days any way

I have no idea what you mean by that.

The Snipe

micropig wrote: »

XiledSniper wrote: »

Who cares what you work as, a job is a job in this day and age. One thing the Irish didn't seem to notice during the boom is that - all those jobs that you take for granted have to be done by someone!

Yes, but we got foreigners for that now:rolleyes::p:D

That's what I'm saying the entire sure someone else will do it mindset.

entropi

Akarinn wrote: »

Pfffft... I left school when i was 15... Now i am a share holder in a multi-billion euro industry, goin to college and havin a degree doesnt make u any better then...

And look where that left you...on the toilet.

BrokenArrows

Depends on whether or not they try to do the best at the chosen profession.
Glass collector - bar man - bar supervisor - manager

Or whether they are happy to be a glass collector all their lives.

micropig

XiledSniper wrote: »

That's what I'm saying the entire sure someone else will do it mindset.

I was agreeing:D

BrokenArrows

Akarinn wrote: »

Pfffft... I left school when i was 15... Now i am a share holder in a multi-billion euro industry, goin to college and havin a degree doesnt make u any better then...

I'm a shareholder in many multi billion dollar industries. However I'm still broke. Lol.

micropig

BrokenArrows wrote: »

I'm a shareholder in many multi billion dollar industries. However I'm still broke. Lol.

I'm a major bond share holder in the bank;):P

hairyprincess

I have a sister living in the US, her children and their circle of friends out huge faith in a future partners job, prospects, ambition; or lack thereof.
I care more about the type of person someone is rather than their job title.
Each to their own as they say!

H2UMrsRobinson

Every job in the world is important - from the street-sweeper to the CEO. We all have our place. It's good to be ambitious, but if we were all ambitious who would do the less "highly-regarded" jobs. Some of us work to live, others live to work. I don't give a monkey's what job anyone has - it's your attitude to life, morals and ethics that will form my opinion of you. I can understand a parent's concern for the type of partner a child chooses, but occupation would be way down the list in my book - but we're all different...fortunately.

Doc Ruby

Ah l'amour. As you grow older you begin to realise the merits of choosing an appropriate partner of sufficient social standing and wealth to ensure a comfortable passge through this mortal coil, and you desire such wisdom for your children.

But of course two people who are really in love are more powerful and stable than any two of riches and fortune married by convenience. Even if the situation is never as luxurious as it might otherwise be, love does indeed conquer all.

Just make sure its love and not fucking hormones.

Jogathon

Snobbery is not good, but ambition and drive is very sexy! I don't think that I'd go out with someone who was in a min wage job with no plan to get out of it. I don't think that's snobbery, it's just why settle In a dead end job if you are capable of better? I worked in loads of bars and loved it when in college, but as a life plan it wouldn't suit me!