Cooked To Death

JONJO THE MISER

A horrific story now from Austria.

An Austrian metalworker accidentally switched on an oven that two colleagues were inside cleaning - leaving them to slowly cook to death.
Detectives investigating the horrific deaths in the massive oven say the pair had tried to rip the insulation off the wall of the oven and clawed at the door in a desperate bid to get free.
The tragedy happened when the automatic door of the oven at the factory owned by the Salzburger Aluminium AG company in Lenz closed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113800/Metalworkers-cooked-death-inside-giant-Austrian-oven-door-closed-800C-furnace-accidentally-switched-on.html

af_thefragile

I guess they were baked...





*sorry*

forfuxsake

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

A horrific story now from Austria.

An Austrian metalworker accidentally switched on an oven that two colleagues were inside cleaning - leaving them to slowly cook to death.
Detectives investigating the horrific deaths in the massive oven say the pair had tried to rip the insulation off the wall of the oven and clawed at the door in a desperate bid to get free.
The tragedy happened when the automatic door of the oven at the factory owned by the Salzburger Aluminium AG company in Lenz closed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113800/Metalworkers-cooked-death-inside-giant-Austrian-oven-door-closed-800C-furnace-accidentally-switched-on.html

Not really that horrific (By Austrian standards).

SEPT 23 1989

What is it about Austrians and ovens?

RachaelVO

OH SWEET JESUS... I just puked a bit in my mouth


THE POOR, POOR POOR BASTARDS.

What a way to go! I honestly can't imagine the fear and horribleness of that death!

Zen65

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

A horrific story now from Austria.

Unspeakably tragic for the families of the deceased, to know that a loved one perished in this way. Even here on the AH Forum it would be too soon to make light of this.

Z

The Snipe

Sure its not the first time!

JONJO THE MISER

Can you imagine what the poor guy who turned on the oven must be going through.

winston82

af_thefragile wrote: »

I guess they were baked...





*sorry*

If you're apologising for your retarded post then what's the point of making it in the first place?

Run_to_da_hills

Did the company ever hear of tagging out? Did they ever hear of danger tags and power isolation switches? Confined space drills with someone outside keeping watch?

I hope the supervisor that was overseeing this operation gets brought up for two counts of manslaughter.

A similar thing happened in Ringsend Power station in the 80's when a worker drowned removing debris that built up in a cooling condenser. .

Princess Peach

Zen65 wrote: »

Unspeakably tragic for the families of the deceased, to know that a loved one perished in this way. Even here on the AH Forum it would be too soon to make light of this.

Z

:pac::pac::pac:

I've looked at this thread a few times now waiting for a good pun on it!

WoollyRedHat

Sounds like something out of a Final Destination movie.. truly awful

Jarren

R.I.P

theg81der

OMG I would do anything to take back that I read this! Why did I look WHY!!!

seamus

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did the company ever hear of tagging out? Did they ever hear of danger tags and power isolation switches? Confined space drills with someone outside keeping watch?

If you look at the article, it would appear that the two men failed to observe the safety procedures put in place and so nobody knew they were in the oven.

Scant comfort for the poor guy who turned on the oven. He'll forever be mulling over the "what ifs" in his head and blaming himself for their deaths.

crazygeryy

Austria.seems to be thee place that all this **** happens.what an awful awful way to die.

Conor108

Detectives investigating the horrific deaths in the massive oven say the pair had tried to rip the insulation off the wall of the oven and clawed at the door in a desperate bid to get free.

Police spokeswoman Daniela Gstvttner said the two men ........ would have realised what had happened when the hot air started to flood into the chamber.

Jesus, that is grim.

RIP.

Ghandee

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Can you imagine what the poor guy who turned on the oven must be going through.

Seconds or desert at this stage?

Galway K9

af_thefragile wrote: »

I guess they were baked...





*sorry*

*

meoklmrk91

What a truly horrible death, poor guys, and the poor lad who turned on the oven, that man will be traumatised for life.

Chuck Stone

Truly horrific. R.I.P.
_______________________________

Ovens. Nazis. Hitler.

Godwinned.

Run_to_da_hills

seamus wrote: »

If you look at the article, it would appear that the two men failed to observe the safety procedures put in place and so nobody knew they were in the oven.

Scant comfort for the poor guy who turned on the oven. He'll forever be mulling over the "what ifs" in his head and blaming himself for their deaths.

The incident with the ESB was quite similar. A general worker climbed inside the condenser using a torch to clean mussels that blocked the cooling pipes. The door was shut, the condenser filled with seawater and the guy was found dead that afternoon. The guy was using a torch.Instead of a trailing yellow cabled lead lamp (Which would indicate that someone was inside)

Now one cannot enter a confined space in the ESB without having someone physically standing at the entrance with a clipboard ticking off those that are working there. A simple safety procedure like this would have saved those lives.

kincsem

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

accidentally

was it?

seamus

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Now one cannot enter a confined space in the ESB without having someone physically standing at the entrance

Well, sure they can. The process just says that they can't, but unless there's some kind of dual-key mechanism to open the door, a person could enter the confined space when no-one else is around, thinking they'll be OK.

That's why procedures usually fail - because someone ignores them.

electrobanana

Ghandee wrote: »

Seconds or desert at this stage?

Jesus your just hilarious aren't you..

Aoifey!

Wow, that really is horrific, knowing you are going to die with no way out.

RIP.

Run_to_da_hills

seamus wrote: »

Well, sure they can. The process just says that they can't, but unless there's some kind of dual-key mechanism to open the door, a person could enter the confined space when no-one else is around, thinking they'll be OK.

That's why procedures usually fail - because someone ignores them.

I have done shut down work in the ESB and Chemical plants. One of the most effective ways of preventing unauthorized entrance to a hazard area or confined space is to have the place under padlock with the keys issued only to supervisor or safety officers

plasmaguy

Tragic story and serious breakdown of health and safety here.

Not sure how it was allowed to happen.

I reckon threads like these are bound to attract the odd immature idiot though, making a joke of such a tragic event. They should be locked in my opinion, as they often end up showing human decency at its lowest.

Zen65

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Now one cannot enter a confined space in the ESB without having someone physically standing at the entrance with a clipboard ticking off those that are working there.

This is a common "confined space" control and I believe that it is stipulated by law as being necessary in Ireland, in addition to the normal safety "Lock-Out" procedures. I'm sure similar regulations apply also in Austria. The issue is whether people follow those procedures, and whether managers & supervisors simply turn a blind eye when the procedures are ignored.

Z

somefeen

Something similar happened in Cork a good few years back.
There was a guy working on the inside of a cement lorry when someone else switched it on.

RIP

wilkie2006

That's absolutely awful. Does anyone know (not smartasre answers this time) how long would it take to die in there? I'd imagine it wasn't quick but I hope it wasn't hours?

somefeen

Zen65 wrote: »

This is a common "confined space" control and I believe that it is stipulated by law as being necessary in Ireland, in addition to the normal safety "Lock-Out" procedures. I'm sure similar regulations apply also in Austria. The issue is whether people follow those procedures, and whether managers & supervisors simply turn a blind eye when the procedures are ignored.

Z

There should really be a cut out switch inside things like this where possible.

Andy!!

Hopefully it was quick In that kind of situation thats the best you can hope for.

This is a horrific occurance. Anybody making jokes about this is serious scum.

GaryIrv93

is there a chance that (depending on how slowly or quickly the furnace heats up) that they would have passed out painlessly before the temperature reached deadly heights? R.I.P

Dempsey

The poor bastards, thats a horrible way to die

44leto

They also failed to instigate any of the four security measures including putting up a sign indicating that they were inside, and also failing to secure the door so that it stayed open.

As a result the door had somehow swung shut and the colleague, believing the cleaning work had finished because he had already seen his colleagues outside and noting the door was closed, had switched the oven on.

I was wondering why safety systems are not fitted so you can open the door from the inside, like all walk in freezers.

The poor men.

Zen65

44leto wrote: »

I was wondering why safety systems are not fitted so you can open the door from the inside, like all walk in freezers.

The poor men.

Possibly because the closing mechanism is too complex for the sort of release mechanism you'd find on an industrial freezer. The consequences of opening a furnace door when it is 'on' is too serious to allow for an easy-open mechanism.

Also in a furnace an electrical emergency stop button would be unheard of .. . electrical components don't like to operate in that sort of environment.

I'm afraid in cases like this the best possible control option is to use a lock-out system and to physically lock the door into the open position (as well as bringing in a trailing lead so that people can clearly see there's somebody in the space).

This looks like a case of rules not being followed (assuming such rules existed).

Z

stovelid

Zen's posts look like he's falling asleep at the end.

KTRIC

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

is there a chance that (depending on how slowly or quickly the furnace heats up) that they would have passed out painlessly before the temperature reached deadly heights? R.I.P

When the core temperature of the body rises to 40c then the organs will start to shut down. It really depends on how quickly the air in the furnace heated up. Quite likely their bodies were cooked from the outside in if it heated up quickly which would have been horrific but quick.

Then again if they had the chance to try the door and pull off the insulation maybe it wasn't as quick, so who's to know.

cocalolaman

Dempsey wrote: »

The poor bastards, thats a horrible way to die

Why are they bastards?

Poor Uncle Tom

somefeen wrote: »

There should really be a cut out switch inside things like this where possible.

It would be handy in all ovens, tbh,
it would save the chicken knocking on the door to come out every time the wife cooks one...

Show Time

Bad way to go.

44leto

Its an incident like this that make you think. I can safely say we all have and probably still do ignore some health and safety regulations and drills for the sake of convenience. The above is what CAN happen. I would imagine the supervisor and management will have a lot of explaining to do in the resulting inquiry.

stoneill

Unfortunately this is not unique:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1443939.stm

http://www.clickliverpool.com/news/local-news/1211918-man-found-burnt-to-death-in-giant-oven-at-liverpool-region-factory.html

Simple procedures in lock out/tag out would have prevented this accident.

LordSutch

I remember working in a supermarket as a teenager, and they had an industrial sized fridge (of the walk in variety), it had a pressure pad/arm on the inside that you could just push to realease the door mechanism. Maybe they should have a simlar mechanism on the inside of giant ovens too.

Daemos

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Sounds like something out of a Final Destination movie.. truly awful

The giant oven death in Kick-Ass was inspired by these things. Not as gruesome in real life as in the movie, but I'd say reality is worse because at a guess it would be just as painful but a lot slower

RIP

Chorcai

My grandfather was a manager in a milk factory, an accident haunted him for years afterwards, in the factory as one lot of men on their shift left the new shift came in turned on machines etc they didn't know that cleaning was being carried out. Four men died, they died a horrific way, literally turned into mince meat. Closed the factory for a week, litres of milk dumped cause it was red with their blood. He actually couldn't eat mince meat after that. The four men were scoupped into bags. This was years ago, my grandfather would have been 90 this year he said this happened when he was around 25.

Ghandee

Ghandee wrote: »

Seconds or desert at this stage?

I'd be deserting all right

cocoshovel

That sounds horrible. I wonder how long they had to suffer before passing. Reminds me of that incident where a worker turned on a giant worm shaft while another cleaned inside it.

Rabidlamb

If that hasn't tuned your stomach read about the Byford Dolphin diving accident which happened when someone opened the hatch on a 9 bar decompression chamber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin

for some reason, one of the tenders opened the clamp, which resulted in explosive decompression of the chamber. A tremendous blast shot from the chamber through the trunk, pushing the bell away and hitting the two tenders. The tender who opened the clamp was killed, and the other was severely injured.

Diver D4 was shot out through the small jammed hatch door opening and was torn to pieces. Subsequent investigation by forensic pathologists determined D4, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient, violently exploded due to the rapid and massive expansion of internal gases. All of his thoracic and abdominal organs, and even his thoracic spine were ejected, as were all of his limbs. Simultaneously, his remains were expelled through the narrow trunk opening left by the jammed chamber door, less than 60 centimetres (24 in) in diameter. Fragments of his body were found scattered about the rig. One part was even found lying on the rig's derrick, 10 metres (30 ft) directly above the chambers. His death was most likely instantaneous and painless.

Reloc8

The bit about instantaneous and painless is what registered with me there.

Compared to what the poor fellows who died in the accident the subject of this post, that is like winning the lottery. Honestly the mind boggles.

So utterly avoidable too.