mobile phone masts

sam ford

Hi,any land owners/farmers had phone masts removed recently due to amalamation with other phone company masts due to recession/cutbacks,i thought there were in competion with each other,

whelan1

dont think too many have been removed, think that is the threat they start with... rents are being reduced...... before you start negotiating ask then straight out are they moving... thats what we did ... they didnt move but they did reduce the rent

ally k

how many operators have you on the mast?? I have voda 02 and meteor on mine havn't been approached as yet dont think the would move cause we are looking down over a fairly big town.....

whelan1

think the vodafone negotiator is a tough nut.... we have rebounders not masts, without them there would be no coverage on the motorway so they are kind of screwed also but rents are down

MidlandsM

whelan1 wrote: »

think the vodafone negotiator is a tough nut.... we have rebounders not masts, without them there would be no coverage on the motorway so they are kind of screwed also but rents are down

if they would be screwed without your site, why did you allow the rent to be forced down?

whelan1

they have orders from head office to reduce all rents , simple as... their point is what you got in the boom times can not be paid any more....will ask my dad but afair it was a 12.5% reduction... they wanted 25% :rolleyes:
he happy enough as he lives off that money....i suppose you could fight really hard but at the end of the day they can tell you to fook off

redzerologhlen

whelan1 wrote: »

dont think too many have been removed, think that is the threat they start with... rents are being reduced...... before you start negotiating ask then straight out are they moving... thats what we did ... they didnt move but they did reduce the rent

You are right whelan1, rents are down. Vodafone renewed a ten year lease with us a month ago and the shaved a thousand off the rent, still though its money for nothing really.

MidlandsM

redzerologhlen wrote: »

You are right whelan1, rents are down. Vodafone renewed a ten year lease with us a month ago and the shaved a thousand off the rent, still though its money for nothing really.

you keep telling yourself that as it fries your gonads on a 24/7 basis

reilig

MidlandsM wrote: »

you keep telling yourself that as it fries your gonads on a 24/7 basis

There's quite a bit of research done which claims that it is safer to live close to a mast as opposed to a place that has a hit and miss signal from a mast. It is claimed that signal from the mast going up and down in an area of poor signal is what causes the "frying" and if you live in an area close to a mast, you don't experience this up and down signal and are therefore less at risk.

In reality though, any of us who uses a mobile phone quite a bit day in day out are at much higher risk than those living beside a mast. Brain tumours & Gliomas are very much linked to having the phone beside your ear!

redzerologhlen

MidlandsM wrote: »

you keep telling yourself that as it fries your gonads on a 24/7 basis

Well unless it'll do it from ten miles away I reckon im safe enough :rolleyes:

Tipp Man

What kind of money would having a mast on the land make annually?

Or am i opening a can of worms here?

whelan1

Tipp Man wrote: »

What kind of money would having a mast on the land make annually?

Or am i opening a can of worms here?

nosey rosey:) send you a pm

redzerologhlen

Tipp Man wrote: »

What kind of money would having a mast on the land make annually?

Or am i opening a can of worms here?

13000 worms divided between 3

Tipp Man

whelan1 wrote: »

nosey rosey:) send you a pm

Curiousity killed the cat
but information made him ...;)

JohnBoy

MidlandsM wrote: »

you keep telling yourself that as it fries your gonads on a 24/7 basis

I'd be more worried about the phone in my trouser pocket a couple of inches away from them to be honest.

blue5000

JohnBoy wrote: »

I'd be more worried about the phone in my trouser pocket a couple of inches away from them to be honest.

tbh they are a bit uncomfortable in sox:o

Jamer

If anyone is looking for advice let me know. I have worked on behalf of the operators and am setting up a company to solely advise landlords.

Insp. Harry Callahan

We were enquired about a site for a mast about 6 years ago for broadband, the chap wanted a 10 meter square concrete base. were told rent would be 7000euro per year. Happy days we thought but alas he never came back again!.

maxxuumman

reilig wrote: »

There's quite a bit of research done which claims that it is safer to live close to a mast as opposed to a place that has a hit and miss signal from a mast. It is claimed that signal from the mast going up and down in an area of poor signal is what causes the "frying" and if you live in an area close to a mast, you don't experience this up and down signal and are therefore less at risk.

In reality though, any of us who uses a mobile phone quite a bit day in day out are at much higher risk than those living beside a mast. Brain tumours & Gliomas are very much linked to having the phone beside your ear!

In my previous life worked as an engineer with a mobile phone manufacturer. We specialised in the manufacture of the gear on base stations. I wouldn't have one on my farm. I wouldn't carry a 3G phone in my pocket, and wouldn't leave a mobile phone in my bedroom either. But hey, that's just me.

royalmeath

Vodafone and o2 must be laughing all the way to the bank. First up they make agreements with farmers the length
and breath of the country on an individual basis, surely there should be guidlineson what you should recieve set by the ifa.
I cant believe whelan accepted a cut in the rental agreement, just because some chancer comes into your yard and tells you
rentals are down. It like the rogue dealer coming to look at your cattle and telling you how bad things are in the marts and
he is doing you a favour giving you anything at all for your stock

keep going

Jamer wrote: »

If anyone is looking for advice let me know. I have worked on behalf of the operators and am setting up a company to solely advise landlords.

What are your qualifications and experience and what are your fees.

whelan1

royalmeath wrote: »

Vodafone and o2 must be laughing all the way to the bank. First up they make agreements with farmers the length
and breath of the country on an individual basis, surely there should be guidlineson what you should recieve set by the ifa.
I cant believe whelan accepted a cut in the rental agreement, just because some chancer comes into your yard and tells you
rentals are down. It like the rogue dealer coming to look at your cattle and telling you how bad things are in the marts and
he is doing you a favour giving you anything at all for your stock

it wasnt as simple as that legal advice was taken, we spoke to many people before we accepted.... which would you prefer no money or reduced money?

royalmeath

whelan1 wrote: »

it wasnt as simple as that legal advice was taken, we spoke to many people before we accepted.... which would you prefer no money or reduced money?

I had the exact same experience last year, but i stuck to my guns and when
they refused to pay i sent a solicitors letter. The bottom line is they dont want to have to remove equipment where it is set up already because its going to cost them far too much money. In the end i got paid what i was due. Franky if
i wasnt paid i would of told them where to go.

Jamer

I am a qualified Surveyor BSc Hons. I have worked on behalf of O2 & Meteor now know as Mosaics and also Vodafone.

Every site is different and there will be a huge amount of decommissioned sites. O2 and Meteor have two separate networks across the country at the moment this will be reduced to one between them to cut costs which follows suit what has happened in the UK. It is a simple as two sites in an area one Meteor and one O2 both sites approached for rent reductions and some additional terms. One will be decommissioned for example the O2 site, the Meteor will remain but O2 will share the installation.

A lot of the agreements across Ireland are easy for the operators to get out of.

Vodafone and 3 now know as One are in the final stages of coming together at present.

dahamsta

Well done for sticking to your guns royalmeath. If they come for their mast, stick it where the sun don't shine.

The post above mine is a little bit misleading, the mobile operators have reached agreements to share their networks, that's the limit of the "coming together". The operators themselves will remain independent.

royalmeath

I got that spiel about network sharing too. The way i looked at it was it was going to cost them money either way
probably a serious amount more to remove their equipment and return the land to me as they found it. Ultimately
if they pulled out it would have been goodbye and goodluck. Farmers should not have anyone come in to your property
telling you what terms they are giving you, your the landlord for god sake. The argument they make that they are looking at rationalising their network therefore they are offering you less money for the same rights, frankly thats a form of bullying farmers.
You also have to rermember that the recession has not had a terrible effect on mobile phone usage, if anything it has gone up
and with the addition of android devices and iphones these companies are swimming in money and they dont want to share it.

dahamsta

Unfortunately the reality is that they're losing money /because/ of all the smartphones. Calls and texts account for the vast majority of revenues for the mobile operators, and data is cannibalising that revenue as people move to VOIP, alternative messaging networks, and bundles that continue to rise in size and lower in price. LTE ("4G") will only worsen this situation.

Truth be told they're forked, although you shouldn't have any sympathy for them, since like the music labels and movie studios, they only have themselves to blame for resisting change.

The long and the short of it though, is that their only out - and it's a very narrow out that they all won't fit through - is to cut costs, and you can be sure that won't come at the expense of executive salaries and pensions.

keep going

thr truth is its very location speciffic and if they can cover that area through another mast then they will dump you if it is going to be expensive.you really have to get a handle on the value of your site in how big an area it covers or how important that area is or whether it can be acceptably covered through other locations.main roads or built up areas under hills command good rates.for a new location simply take a phone belonging to that company for a spin in the area and see what it is like but that wont work with an existing agreement .dont forget your neighbour might take the money you turn down but as rule of thumb always turn down their first offer