Just to re-cap, 30 year old in bed with a 15 year old

ahal

Hi all,

Pretty messed up in many ways, this one:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/killer-freaked-and-stabbed-man-found-in-bed-with-girlfriend-3045808.html

Unreal reportage. I guess someone who molests an 8 year old would command the headline "man charged with abuse of girlfriend"

This country's gone a bit mad if you ask me. No, a lot mad. This follows on from the 16 year old victim of a shooting who happened to have a 21 year old boyfriend.

There's an obvious distinction but I won't draw it, I'll probably get banned if I do :rolleyes:

MickySticks

Ah sure tis terrible Joe.

Dudess

ahal wrote: »

Hi all,

Pretty messed up in many ways, this one:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/killer-freaked-and-stabbed-man-found-in-bed-with-girlfriend-3045808.html

Unreal reportage. I guess someone who molests an 8 year old would command the headline "man charged with abuse of girlfriend"

This country's gone a bit mad if you ask me. No, a lot mad. This follows on from the 16 year old victim of a shooting who happened to have a 21 year old boyfriend.

There's an obvious distinction but I won't draw it, I'll probably get banned if I do :rolleyes:

Why would you get banned?

krudler

hang on, stabbing someone 12 times is manslaughter now? surely thats just outright murder?

aaronjumper

"He just freaked out, like"

I love understatements.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Hopefully this is within thew allowed word quote. If not, referring to the last paragraph of the article.

In 2009, both brothers were sentenced to 14 years for manslaughter. Gerard O'Riordan had 18 months of his sentence suspended while Shane O'Riordan had five years suspended

What year is thisa again? 2012, right? So that was only three years ago onless my math is ****...

goose2005

ahal wrote: »

Unreal reportage. I guess someone who molests an 8 year old would command the headline "man charged with abuse of girlfriend"

there was only a 4-year-gap, if they were having sex then that was technically a crime

Also, that article is bafflingly structured, it keeps jumping back and forward in time like a Tarantino movie.

dxhound2005

ahal wrote: »

Hi all,

Pretty messed up in many ways, this one:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/killer-freaked-and-stabbed-man-found-in-bed-with-girlfriend-3045808.html

Unreal reportage. I guess someone who molests an 8 year old would command the headline "man charged with abuse of girlfriend"

This country's gone a bit mad if you ask me. No, a lot mad. This follows on from the 16 year old victim of a shooting who happened to have a 21 year old boyfriend.

There's an obvious distinction but I won't draw it, I'll probably get banned if I do :rolleyes:

This happened in 2007 so it was even madder back then.

Chavways

Stabbed him in the back for stabbing him in the back.

Karma

:pac:

Dudess

I don't understand the eight-year-old thing - someone explain? Also how is this country gone a bit mad? And what's wrong with the reportage?

mike65

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hopefully this is within thew allowed word quote. If not, referring to the last paragraph of the article.



What year is thisa again? 2012, right? So that was only three years ago onless my math is ****...

They are not free, they were in a coroners court.

enniscorthy

i'll have a bit of that hehehe

mikom

He said he picked up a knife that was on the bedside locker and began stabbing Mr Brazier in the back. He said it had not been his intention to kill him.

Oh yeah, he just wanted to spread some Nutella on his back.

His brother, Gerard O'Riordan, said both brothers had been out drinking earlier and Shane had borrowed his phone to contact his girlfriend Yoshiko Scanlon.

Yoshiko Scanlon of the Scanlon dynasty

Yoshiko scanlon?

Edit: mikom got there first!

mattjack

Deleted User wrote: »

Yoshiko scanlon?

Edit: mikom got there first!

Teenage mutant ninja turtle or Godzilla baby ?

Sunnyisland

Deleted User wrote: »

Yoshiko scanlon?

Edit: mikom got there first!

Its a well known kerry name

Overheal

krudler wrote: »

hang on, stabbing someone 12 times is manslaughter now? surely thats just outright murder?

Manslaughter is otherwise known as Murder in the Third Degree. It shares the same category as Involuntary Manslaughter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_%28United_States_law%29#Degrees_of_murder_in_the_United_States

___

Am I reading this right?

In 2009, both brothers were sentenced to 14 years for manslaughter. Gerard O'Riordan had 18 months of his sentence suspended while Shane O'Riordan had five years suspended.

Does this mean Shane got off lighter than his brother even though Shane was the one who did all the stabbing?

mattjack

Prisoner A ' what are you in for ? '

Prisoner B 'garlic scam,yourself ? '

Prisoner A ' Well it started when I met this young wan' called Yoshiko ........'

mikom

Deleted User wrote: »

Yoshiko scanlon?

Edit: mikom got there first!

Be not afraid of going slowly ; be only afraid of standing still
Chinese Proverb

Yes, I know Yoshiko is a Japanese name.

Mark200

krudler wrote: »

hang on, stabbing someone 12 times is manslaughter now? surely thats just outright murder?

+1 on what Overheal said but also just to add that from the brief description its clear that he went into a fit if rage... in those circumstances he could use the defense of temporary insanity to get a murder charge reduced to manslaughter (as far as I remember from a brief law class I took few years ago)

Logical Fallacy

Dudess wrote: »

Why would you get banned?

He wouldn't. At all.

He just needs to feel a bit more hardcore is all.

mikemac1

It's very straightforward case OP, 15 year old girl had a 19 year old boyfriend and went to bed with a 30 year old man

ahal wrote: »

Unreal reportage. I guess someone who molests an 8 year old would command the headline "man charged with abuse of girlfriend"

There's an obvious distinction but I won't draw it, I'll probably get banned if I do :rolleyes:

What does this mean?

Where is there an eight year old in this story?

later12

ahal wrote: »

Hi all,

Pretty messed up in many ways, this one:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/killer-freaked-and-stabbed-man-found-in-bed-with-girlfriend-3045808.html

Unreal reportage. I guess someone who molests an 8 year old would command the headline "man charged with abuse of girlfriend"

Are you seriously complaining about the fact that she was described as his girlfriend?

I wouldn't personally call that a serious criticism. I appreciate that there is a technical, legal basis for statutory rape there if the relationship is sexual, but in reality these cases are not pursued unless there is some element of coercion.

A 19 year old dating a 15 year old is not a very big deal.

Maybe you felt the 'girlfriend' reference pertained to the 30 year old man?

User Friendly

ahal wrote: »

This country's gone a bit mad if you ask me. No, a lot mad. This follows on from the 16 year old victim of a shooting who happened to have a 21 year old boyfriend.

i see nothing wrong here.

mikemac1

I think the OP read the headline and a few sentences and rushed to boards without even reading the full article

There have been stories in the Indo I have to read a few times to understand them but this one is pretty simple and clear

Get banned for what OP?

Biggins

krudler wrote: »

hang on, stabbing someone 12 times is manslaughter now? surely thats just outright murder?

Legally? No.
Short version:

Murder by definition is pre-planned.
Manslaughter by legal definition (and I simplify) is on the more spur of the moment.

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All involved sound (and look - and one should not just judge a book by its cover) like a right bunch of characters indeed that you might oft times want to avoid in the street!

Son Of A Vidic

Biggins wrote: »

Legally? No.
Short version:

Murder by definition is pre-planned.
Manslaughter by legal definition (and I simplify) is on the more spur of the moment.

You are right there, but yet when we read this..

The jury returned a verdict of death caused by haemorrhage and shock and collapse of the lung due to multiple stab wounds constituting manslaughter, in accordance with the verdict of the central criminal court.

Multiple (12) stab wounds not to mention beating the victim with a chair? I think most rationale human beings, would be inclined to feel that is clearly a deliberate attempt to inflict a fatal injury upon the victim. The interpretation of what constitutes Manslaughter in this country, has become an absolute joke.

He said he picked up a knife that was on the bedside locker and began stabbing Mr Brazier in the back.

How many people keep an knife on their bedside locker? I find that one very strange indeed. Or did he go and fetch the knife, thus indicating premeditation and surely making a manslaughter charge quite laughable?

Todd Gack

Overheal wrote: »

Manslaughter is otherwise known as Murder in the Third Degree. It shares the same category as Involuntary Manslaughter

Not in this country it's not.

darkdubh

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Hopefully this is within thew allowed word quote. If not, referring to the last paragraph of the article.



What year is thisa again? 2012, right? So that was only three years ago onless my math is ****...

It's maths.With an s.Only Yanks call it math.

Biggins

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

...How many people keep an knife on their bedside locker? I find that one very strange indeed. Or did he go and fetch the knife, thus indicating premeditation and surely making a manslaughter charge quite laughable?

I'm speculating - not stating a case for either side (frankly, I don't know what the heck really happened).
...but could the Gardi have gotten some info off the then girlfriend, who might have stated how the knife got there (into the room and attack) ?
The paper doesn't say. I don't think we will find out.

strandroad

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

How many people keep an knife on their bedside locker? I find that one very strange indeed. Or did he go and fetch the knife, thus indicating premeditation and surely making a manslaughter charge quite laughable?

I guess it might have been there if the 30yo was the knife carrying kind and put it aside before he started frolicking with the girl

120_Minutes

I went out with an 18 year old when i was 26.

giggady.

Biggins

mhge wrote: »

I guess it might have been there if the 30yo was the knife carrying kind and put it aside before he started frolicking with the girl

Probably (with sense - the only sense he had!) didn't want it sticking in to him, as he was he sticking himself into her!

Gummy Panda

What was the girl's mam doing letting a 30 year get up on her daughter in her house?

bbam

sorry.. repeat of another post...

Fart

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What was the girl's mam doing letting a 30 year get up on her daughter in her house?

Probably giving her English lessons.

Napper Hawkins

darkdubh wrote: »

It's maths.With an s.Only Yanks call it math.

You can call it what you like, it's the same ****ing thing.

Sindri

Well since no one has congratulated the 30 year old man yet I shall be the first.

Well done!

charlemont

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What was the girl's mam doing letting a 30 year get up on her daughter in her house?

She was probably waiting on seconds.

mikom

Sindri wrote: »

Well since no one has congratulated the 30 year old man yet I shall be the first.

Well done!

Kniiiife..... I mean niiiice.

Groinshot

19 year old with a 15 year old girlfriend too... that's one bizarre story....

It'd have to be kerry!

Red Hand

I'd expect anthing in Tralee.

Capt'n Midnight

darkdubh wrote: »

It's maths.With an s.Only Yanks call it math.

Only because they can't count

Red Hand

Groinshot wrote: »

19 year old with a 15 year old girlfriend too... that's one bizarre story....

It'd have to be kerry!

No mention of sheep? Now that's a weak put-down!:D

FoxT

& her ma was in the house at the same time. WTF?

Groinshot

Red Hand wrote: »

No mention of sheep? Now that's a weak put-down!:D

That's the most surprising part of the whole story!