Please help me get through the NCT

jeepers101

We recently put got our car NCT'd and it failed on a number of issues.

There's absolutely no way we can afford to send the car to a garage for repairs at the moment so I was wondering if anyone could talk me through what I'll need to do do get the car road worthy again.

Attached is the test result document.

I'm assuming I just need new wiper blades for the wipers but after that I'm stumped.


In Summary:

Wiper Blade- Unacceptable

Mechanical Brake Hand Lever (6) - Lever Travel - Excessively

Head Light Aim - Dip Beam

Front Suspension - Wishbones\ wb brushes - Worn

Re Test - Repeat Side Slip Test

Thanks in advance!

kilianmanning

jeepers101 wrote: »

We recently put got our car NCT'd and it failed on a number of issues.

There's absolutely no way we can afford to send the car to a garage for repairs at the moment so I was wondering if anyone could talk me through what I'll need to do do get the car road worthy again.

Attached is the test result document.

I'm assuming I just need new wiper blades for the wipers but after that I'm stumped.


In Summary:

Wiper Blade- Unacceptable

Mechanical Brake Hand Lever (6) - Lever Travel - Excessively

Head Light Aim - Dip Beam

Front Suspension - Wishbones\ wb brushes - Worn

Re Test - Repeat Side Slip Test

Thanks in advance!

The mechanical hand lever means your handbrake is travelling too far & needs to be tightened. Your headlights also need to be aligned & your tracking is off.. you also need bushings in the wishbones done, should't be overly expensive to get done in a garage as probably the only parts you will need are the wipers & bushings.

nogoodnamesleft

From looking at your NCT the first thing you need to do is get new tyres on the car. 1x worn, and 2x Over 6 years old. So you possibly have 3 defective tyres under the car :rolleyes:

Wishbones are normally replaced as whole units rather than the additional hassle of replacing bushings/ballpoints.

It would help if you gave the make/model of the car.

Just out of interest do you regularly check the condition of you vehicle?

bbam

jeepers101 wrote: »

We recently put got our car NCT'd and it failed on a number of issues.

There's absolutely no way we can afford to send the car to a garage for repairs at the moment so I was wondering if anyone could talk me through what I'll need to do do get the car road worthy again.

Attached is the test result document.

I'm assuming I just need new wiper blades for the wipers but after that I'm stumped.


In Summary:

Wiper Blade- Unacceptable

Mechanical Brake Hand Lever (6) - Lever Travel - Excessively

Head Light Aim - Dip Beam

Front Suspension - Wishbones\ wb brushes - Worn

Re Test - Repeat Side Slip Test

Thanks in advance!

You need to go to a garage to get the wishbones/bushings done.. Or maybe have a handy fella/mechanic do a nixer for you... No offence but I get the feeling you wouldn't be able to do it yourself...

DO you know anyone handy round cars???

Bring it to an independent garage and get a quote for the work required, if you don't know a good garage ask some of your mates if they can recommend somewhere local to go...

Sorry OP but this IS going to cost a bit of cash to put right, not a ridiculous amount though..

Nissan doctor

What type of car is it?

jeepers101

The car is a 02 Honda Jazz. The same wishbone was only replaced last winter. How could the bushing be worn already? It hasn't even done 10k miles since.

jeepers101

bbam wrote: »

No offence but I get the feeling you wouldn't be able to do it yourself...

None taken but trust me, this WILL be done as a DIY job.

jeepers101

nogoodnamesleft wrote: »

From looking at your NCT the first thing you need to do is get new tyres on the car. 1x worn, and 2x Over 6 years old. So you possibly have 3 defective tyres under the car :rolleyes:

Wishbones are normally replaced as whole units rather than the additional hassle of replacing bushings/ballpoints.

It would help if you gave the make/model of the car.

Just out of interest do you regularly check the condition of you vehicle?

Yes I do check the condition of the vehicle regularly. I got one of the tyres replaced a couple of months ago and was told be the garage that the other three were fine.

Rest assured, I will be replacing the three defective tyres ASAP.

Mar4ix

jeepers101 wrote: »

The car is a 02 Honda Jazz. The same wishbone was only replaced last winter. How could the bushing be worn already? It hasn't even done 10k miles since.

them has to be fitted correct way. when new wishbone installed, bolts ready tight up, hub needs to be raised with other jack in level , which is approximately same, if car would stay with wheels on ground. if not put on level, bushes will get worn very quickly. next time do the job yourself . dont trust everyone

Mar4ix

jeepers101 wrote: »

Yes I do check the condition of the vehicle regularly. I got one of the tyres replaced a couple of months ago and was told be the garage that the other three were fine.

Rest assured, I will be replacing the three defective tyres ASAP.

no point change three new and leave one used.... , go for all 4, same make and size. bad practice have one different tire on car, eventually will make trouble in short time period.

jeepers101

Mar4ix wrote: »

them has to be fitted correct way. when new wishbone installed, bolts ready tight up, hub needs to be raised with other jack in level , which is approximately same, if car would stay with wheels on ground. if not put on level, bushes will get worn very quickly. next time do the job yourself . dont trust everyone

Thanks for that. Any chance you could explain that in a bit more detail?

Also I found the wishbone for sale on micksgarage for 185 euro or ebay from 30 euro. Why the huge difference?

cala

is there a scrapyard near you. a wishbone would be cheaper there

jeepers101

cala wrote: »

is there a scrapyard near you. a wishbone would be cheaper there

I'd rather get a new one. 50 euro including delivery on ebay seems pretty good doesn't it.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/HONDA-JAZZ-1-2-1-4-1-5-LOWER-WISHBONE-SUSPENSION-ARM-/330413271680?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cee2a6a80#ht_1084wt_698

Mar4ix

jeepers101 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Any chance you could explain that in a bit more detail?

Also I found the wishbone for sale on micksgarage for 185 euro or ebay from 30 euro. Why the huge difference?

micks garage not cheapest either (but good qualty... from my own experiance), ebay.... cold be sh!te quality, and will end up same as your last wishbone... even if it corectly fitted. try other websites, ... like irishautoparts.ie, or some local or non local (in other area) motorfactors, find out what make those parts are, compare prices. drop factory names in google, and look what reviews are.
if buy in ebay, check seller, how many deals had, and how many bad/negatve feedbacks, and what about.... if it related to quality, then drop it., find another one.

need to do some homework, before buy expensive part, to get fair price for fair quality part.

relating installing techniques, as i said, put new wishbone in , but not tight up bolts, when all bolts on place and ready tight up , rise wheel hub on regular wheel level as it would be on road, but have to be carerfull, cos youl have to push shock absorber with spring also. when hub on level, then tight up bolts. .. as i said you .. have to be very careful, if hub will slip off jack, than youll get bad injuries.

Best way would be , if youd get Hayenes manual, cost in halford around 25-35 quid, or somewhere cheaper, ..... worth it.

Mar4ix

jeepers101 wrote: »

I'd rather get a new one. 50 euro including delivery on ebay seems pretty good doesn't it.

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/HONDA-JAZZ-1-2-1-4-1-5-LOWER-WISHBONE-SUSPENSION-ARM-/330413271680?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4cee2a6a80#ht_1084wt_698

that one looks good one... seller has 85 k sales, and 100 % positive feedback :eek: , go for it.

trixyben

tbh your looking at a few hundred needing spent to get your car right for the retest, 4 new tyres and wheels tracked, new wipers, wishbone bushing replaced, handbrake tightened, lights aligned....all pretty straight forward to do, look up on the net for changing the bushing and tightening the handbrake and maybe try yourself

jeepers101

Will the tracking be done with the new tyres?

cala

jeepers101 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Any chance you could explain that in a bit more detail?

Also I found the wishbone for sale on micksgarage for 185 euro or ebay from 30 euro. Why the huge difference?

buy it on ebay micks garage price is ridiculously dear. the main dealer could be cheaper

Mar4ix

jeepers101 wrote: »

Will the tracking be done with the new tyres?

yes, usually youll get good price in tire shop, when change tires and alignment , usually tracking cost 50 quid, but do it after all parts changed.

mgbgt1978

I'm not saying that your Tracking is correct or not, but you did not fail the NCT as a result of your Tracking being out.
The side-slip retest is simply because they couldn't test accurately due to the worn wishbone ball-joint and bushing.
You do not need to replace any tyres for the retest, but you do need to change them soon.
If you are going to try the wishbone change yourself then (if you can afford it) get the headlight alignment done by a garage using the proper equipment, gives you a better chance of passing....you can do it yourself (just google Diy headlamp alignment) and if it was only a fail for one headlight then it's much easier to try to match the beam to the light that passed.

Owen

I don't want to sound like a dick here, but you're not going to be able to do with Wishbone bushes yourself. If you're asking for advice on things like handbrakes, the Wishbone is going to be an extremely difficult job for a novice to tackle. I've done a lot of Wishbone bushes, and no way would I attempt one without a torque gun and a ramp.

If you are insistent, you'll most likely disassemble the car to the point where it's undriveable, and you'll have to pay substantially more to get someone to call out and either fix it there, or if that's impossible, gave it lifted to a garage where it can be fixed.

jeepers101

Looks like they don't sell bushes for the Jazz so it'll be the whole wishbone I'll be replacing. I'll let you know how I get on

CJhaughey

Mister Auto has the whole wishbone for 58.01 for the JazzII
Thats a good price for the whole thing.

jeepers101

So the car passed the retest yesterday after my DIY repairs. The wishbone was surprisingly easy to replace. Took about two and a half hours.

The cost of the NCT repairs was €131 (€50 for wishbone, €40 for tracking, €25 for headlight alignment, €16 for wipers).

Thanks to those of you who offered advice and encouragement.

Wisesmurf

no new tyres?

Ronnie Beck

Wisesmurf wrote: »

no new tyres?

They didn't need to be replaced. It's only a recommendation that you change them soon.

corktina

well done OP a lot more people could be doing their own repairs,

jeepers101

Wisesmurf wrote: »

no new tyres?

Yeah I got three new tyres at a cost of €165 but didn't include it in the price as it wasn't necessary to pass the NCT.

I know the advice on here was to get four tyres but I ran it by the people in the garage and they told me I should only get three.