Doctors say LSD may cure alcoholism

Nothingbetter2d

just read this article in the indo :eek:


http://www.independent.ie/health/health-news/what-a-trip-doctors-say-lsd-may-cure-alcoholism-3045157.html

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Mr Benevolent

Nah, They'd start tripping over the furniture.

Seachmall

How does one get involved in these studies?

M cebee

didn't work for me

Immaculate Pasta

Hmm it seems a bit like fighting fire with fire for me :cool:

I'd love to see this on LSD however.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvUtBc7j6Is

SEPT 23 1989

They wont be able to go to the pub if they are hiding under the bed

benway

Investigators of one trial which was examined said: "It was rather common for patients to claim significant insights into their problems, to feel that they had been given a new lease on life, and to make a strong resolution to discontinue their drinking."

Can see how this could work alright - if we're to take it that many people drink to excess because they're trying to blot out something in their past or some issue in their lives, trips often leave you with little option but to face up to these things, your brain goes into overdrive and you can tend to turn your whole life over in your head, in unsparing detail, especially the unpleasant bits that you might have locked away in your subconscious. Or so I'm told.

Can be unpleasant, but in a controlled environment with the help of a counsellor, it could well be beneficial.

charlietheminxx

That's certainly intriguing!

It's a shame they haven't followed up on the research.

Spunge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh4S5CMv_iE

drunkmonkey

Why would you want to cure alcoholism, we all seen what happened to Fun Bobby.

The only thing LSD cures is the boredom that kicks in half way through watching every star wars move back to back.

AngryBollix

I used sex, food and gambling to cure my alcoholism

old hippy

Hasn't it all been done before, years ago? LSD for alcoholism, MDMA for depression etc... or maybe I'm just having a flashback....

seamus

LSD has suffered a lot like marijuana in that it has been massively stigmatised and widely outlawed, despite being shown to have many actual and potential benefits and very few real downsides.

It's one of those drugs that politicians would be deathly terrified of legalising for medicinal use, believing the false stories about people jumping to their deaths mid-hallucination or about users having debilitating flashbacks for the rest of their lives.

LSD in reality is safer than most - difficult to OD on, non-addictive and with no known long-term health effects. It's psychotropic sure, thus has the same potential risks as other psychotropes like alcohol where you may injure yourself accidentally.

It was outlawed by the US at the height of the Communist/Drugs War hysteria and this hysteria has remained attached to LSD ever since.

Guill

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

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This. I hate this.

M cebee

Guill wrote: »

This. I hate this.

ya reminds me of school:pdiscuss

FTGFOP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylr2D4Pwn58

Nothingbetter2d

M cebee wrote: »

ya reminds me of school:pdiscuss

discuss

M cebee

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

discuss

discuss:D

old hippy

seamus wrote: »

LSD has suffered a lot like marijuana in that it has been massively stigmatised and widely outlawed, despite being shown to have many actual and potential benefits and very few real downsides.

It's one of those drugs that politicians would be deathly terrified of legalising for medicinal use, believing the false stories about people jumping to their deaths mid-hallucination or about users having debilitating flashbacks for the rest of their lives.

LSD in reality is safer than most - difficult to OD on, non-addictive and with no known long-term health effects. It's psychotropic sure, thus has the same potential risks as other psychotropes like alcohol where you may injure yourself accidentally.

It was outlawed by the US at the height of the Communist/Drugs War hysteria and this hysteria has remained attached to LSD ever since.

I used to do the odd tab of it 20 years ago. I had to knock it on the head as every so often it would trigger my epiliptic seizures. More importantly, my friend took the drug on the last day of his life before jumping off Dun Laoghaire Pier. Yes, there is hysteria but also there are sad effects of the drug that impact not just the user but their families involved.

To counter these examples, I have done mushrooms plenty of times and never had a bad trip.

up for anything

seamus wrote: »

It's one of those drugs that politicians would be deathly terrified of legalising for medicinal use, believing the false stories about people jumping to their deaths mid-hallucination or about users having debilitating flashbacks for the rest of their lives.

The few people that I've known that used LSD do seem to have had flashbacks in the long term. My neighbour in London was a party girl in the 60s and from time to time would still see a man sized owl sitting on the end of her bed. We used to laugh at her but you could see that she'd been really freaked out each time it happened.

Nothingbetter2d

old hippy wrote: »

To counter these examples, I have done mushrooms plenty of times and never had a bad trip.

that zimmer frame really works then?

Standard Toaster

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

discuss

What are your opinions of the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre?

Dravokivich

Standard Toaster wrote: »

What are your opinions of the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre?

I think it can only aid to improve and expand on the economic growth within the CBD. It'll be a fine location for little boutiques and cafés/Resturants.

Win/win I say.

biko

Great, now I got addicted to LSD too

mackg

biko wrote: »

Great, now I got addicted to LSD too

Not to worry! Opium cures LSD addiction.

endacl

mackg wrote: »

biko wrote: »

Great, now I got addicted to LSD too

Not to worry! Opium cures LSD addiction.

There was an aul' junkie who swallowed a fly...

Yakult

LSD is one of the least toxic chemicals in the world, so why not?
In a controlled environment and correct doses it can very beneficial. People are too scared to lose control tho, so they render is bad. Let go and after you will have a new opinion on life. Provided you have a safe and happy trip.

donegal_road

ironically, when I ever took LSD, I was inclined to drink twice as much as I normally would.. I haven't touched it in about 15 years for that reason

ScumLord

up for anything wrote: »

The few people that I've known that used LSD do seem to have had flashbacks in the long term. My neighbour in London was a party girl in the 60s and from time to time would still see a man sized owl sitting on the end of her bed. We used to laugh at her but you could see that she'd been really freaked out each time it happened.

I don't know anyone that's experienced flashbacks and I'd wonder is there more to their flashbacks. The closet I've come to a flashback is sometimes when I go into a toilet for a **** I can just about make out the faint impression of moving patterns on the wall. I think it's more of a memory trigger though. I had one of the most amazing shytes of my life on LSD and spent quite some time in a toilet being able to see through my skin and just being in complete wonder at how amazing the human body is.

LSD is supposed to be an excellent drug for the treatment of depression too. I can easily believe that.

gozunda

arrrgggghhh - That d*mn Flashing Nun is back again...wait no I'm not on LSD - its the adverts for that film thingy!!! *

*Runs away to get bottle of whiskey

Nothingbetter2d

donegal_road wrote: »

ironically, when I ever took LSD, I was inclined to drink twice as much as I normally would.. I haven't touched it in about 15 years for that reason

so getting old + possibly marriage and or kids had nothing to do with you drinking less nowadays?

danslevent

Ugh, I tried it before and just found it overwhelming. Really don't understand how they expect it to fight alcoholism

Corvo

Sure it will cure alcoholism, but whats gonna cure all the guys sprinting away from the giant Mars Bars and Unicorns?

Nothingbetter2d

Griffin1988 wrote: »

Sure it will cure alcoholism, but whats gonna cure all the guys sprinting away from the giant Mars Bars and Unicorns?

padded cells

kjl

old hippy wrote: »

I used to do the odd tab of it 20 years ago. I had to knock it on the head as every so often it would trigger my epiliptic seizures. More importantly, my friend took the drug on the last day of his life before jumping off Dun Laoghaire Pier. Yes, there is hysteria but also there are sad effects of the drug that impact not just the user but their families involved.

To counter these examples, I have done mushrooms plenty of times and never had a bad trip.

No offence, but you mate but have been some loser. Whenever I take it I just spend about 8 hours laughing with occasional breaks where I worry if laughing too much might be bad for you.

LSD heightens your worst fears, so for example if you got a HIV test and that night before getting the results you take LSD you will most likely spend the entire time freaking out that you have AIDS. If you are in a safe environment with people you know and trust and have no negative things going on in your life they you will have a blast.

44leto

This has been known since the late 50s, psychologists nicked named LSD as psychological penicillin, it is effective with the treatment of many more mental illnesses. But when the drug was made illegal all research was stopped almost instantly.

But you can still get legal treatments with this drug in certain countries and with physicians willing to administer it, Switzerland being one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g4VMvluoBA

Carter P Fly

LSD: Easily my favorite drug ever. Its like chuck norris of awesome drugs.

Son Of A Vidic

seamus wrote: »

LSD has suffered a lot like marijuana in that it has been massively stigmatised and widely outlawed, despite being shown to have many actual and potential benefits and very few real downsides.

And rightly so. While LSD is a non-toxic drug with no known adverse physical side affects. It acts as a very powerful mental amplifier. Potential outcomes from taking LSD, are very heavily dependent on the mental state of the individual concerned.

Since LSD can induce buried and repressed unconscious memories and can bring these experiences into conscious awareness. The results can be very traumatic and frightening. It is the individuals reaction to these experiences which can be extremely dangerous.

So anyone who is anxious, stressed or feeling depressed should not take LSD. Doing so puts the user at a very high risk of nightmarish, traumatic trips with potentially dangerous outcomes. This is the primary reason why LSD is regarded as a very dangerous drug.

Logical Fallacy

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

And rightly so. While LSD is a non-toxic drug with no known adverse physical side affects. It acts as a very powerful mental amplifier. Potential outcomes from taking LSD, are very heavily dependent on the mental state of the individual concerned.

Since LSD can induce buried and repressed unconscious memories and can bring these experiences into conscious awareness. The results can be very traumatic and frightening. It is the individuals reaction to these experiences which can be extremely dangerous.

So anyone who is anxious, stressed or feeling depressed should not take LSD. Doing so puts the user at a very high risk of nightmarish, traumatic trips with potentially dangerous outcomes. This is the primary reason why LSD is regarded as a very dangerous drug.

The problem with LSD is the same as the problems with all drugs. When you are young you get told that drugs will kill you, you smoke a few joints and hey...you don't die.

You try a pill at a party and you dance and feel a buzz. Still not dead though.

Try a line of coke...you don't go mental and punch this **** out of people. And guess what...still not dead.

It's an unfortunate effect of the combination of misinformation peddled by the government and drug "awareness" programs and the fact that first few drugs people are likely to try are very harmless. It gets hard to figure out what is bull**** and what is not...so after a little experimentation people tend to forget the need for safety and that you need to watch out for different things with different drugs.

I've seen it happen a few times where people associated LSD with a great mood, so they feel bad and figure a night of acid with friends will cheer them up, then they have a bad time of it.

benway

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

And rightly so. While LSD is a non-toxic drug with no known adverse physical side affects. It acts as a very powerful mental amplifier. Potential outcomes from taking LSD, are very heavily dependent on the mental state of the individual concerned.

Since LSD can induce buried and repressed unconscious memories and can bring these experiences into conscious awareness. The results can be very traumatic and frightening. It is the individuals reaction to these experiences which can be extremely dangerous.

So anyone who is anxious, stressed or feeling depressed should not take LSD. Doing so puts the user at a very high risk of nightmarish, traumatic trips with potentially dangerous outcomes. This is the primary reason why LSD is regarded as a very dangerous drug.

+1

All psychedelics should be treated with respect, especially acid ... just like any psychotropic substance, granted.

A close personal friend has had some pretty deep, soul-searching moments on acid ... at the time it wasn't great for him, but he's ultimately found it to be a more positive experience than the trips where he's been giggling for eight hours solid.

He reckons that it's definitely true about it unlocking repressed feelings and memories ... once these things are brought into the conscious mind, you need to deal with them, can see how people who are unwilling or unable to do so could be pushed over the edge.

But I think that in a controlled environment, with good, trustworthy people around to help, I could see it being really positive for people who drink to repress issues in their lives. Not saying that everyone drinks for that reason, granted.

My close friend also used to pour a bottle of Jameson on top of a trip if things started getting too deep at an inappropriate juncture, funnily enough.

ScumLord

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Since LSD can induce buried and repressed unconscious memories and can bring these experiences into conscious awareness. The results can be very traumatic and frightening. It is the individuals reaction to these experiences which can be extremely dangerous.

People seem to be under the impression if you take LSD you'll go off to another plain of reality which isn't the case at all. It's mild visuals and giddiness unless you take a pretty big dose. Some people would freak out under the wrong settings but legalising would only help that situation.

drunkmonkey

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

So anyone who is anxious, stressed or feeling depressed should not take LSD.

+1

But this thread isn't about curing depression, if you want to cure depression you take Ketamine or Ecstasy http://blogs.webmd.com/mental-health/2012/02/ketamine-a-new-treatment-for-depression.html

Cú Giobach

ScumLord wrote: »

People seem to be under the impression if you take LSD you'll go off to another plain of reality which isn't the case at all. It's mild visuals and giddiness boring unless you take a pretty big dose. Some people would freak out under the wrong settings but legalising would only help that situation.

FYP.

♫ Trip to heave and ho, up down, to and fro'
you have no word ♫
trip, trip to a dream dragon
hide your wings in a ghost tower
sails crackiling at ev'ry plate we break. ♫

benway

Cú Giobach wrote: »

FYP.

♫ Trip to heave and ho, up down, to and fro'
you have no word ♫
trip, trip to a dream dragon
hide your wings in a ghost tower
sails crackiling at ev'ry plate we break. ♫

We have to learn that cheesing just isn't worth it. Sure, you get to fight in the Breastriary, and swim in the fountains of Varnov with the itty titty fairies of Mammary Mountain. And then you fight the boob goblin in the gazongas cave, and then the girl may thank you for it. But she. Isn't. Real.

And you never really get a good look at her naked boobs anyway.

PogMoThoin

If the people who jump to their deaths thinking they can fly on LSD were so high, why didn't they fly up there in the first place?

JupiterKid

LSD when taken in the right setting with the right people is an incredible experience. I did "acid" a few times in my college years and although I did have one bad trip, the experiences were very powerful. It really does open your mind but it's not for everyone.

There are a lot of complete lies and distortions among society about LSD. It is not addictive for starters - in fact, LSD is counter addictive. It's interesting to see that medicine has come back to doing clinical trials with LSD - this was what was happening in the 50s and 60s before Timothy Leary, Ken Kesey and the hippies got their hands on it and it became illegal.

I used to suffer severe migraine headaches once a week from the age of 10 until my college years. After trying LSD a few times I only get migraines about once a year now. LSD has many potential therepeutic effects that have been surpressed because of its illegal status.

WoollyRedHat

Guill wrote: »

This. I hate this.

What about Discus, you hate that?

builttospill

PogMoThoin wrote: »

If the people who jump to their deaths thinking they can fly on LSD were so high, why didn't they fly up there in the first place?

Bill Hicks just turned over in his grave and asked for his joke back.

LH Pathe

maybe the profound thought acid induces counteracts the mind numbing stupidity alcohol provides. Booze is the only thing legal for this reason, I think.. keep us subdued mentally but I don't give a **** as I only drink outdoors anyhow. or always rare venture in itself anyhow

JupiterKid

It's interesting about these findings because if any drug induces mindfulness, it's LSD.

Psychotherapy is abuzz with the concept of "mindfulness" and being in "the here and now" - from experience I can say that tripping in many ways achieves mindfulness that weeks and weeks of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy might be able to.

Having been at the terrifying end of a bad trip, I wouldnt advise a depressive alcoholic to take it. Regular happy go lucky alcoholics could try it.