Alternative fuels

fasttalkerchat

My local garages have LRP (leaded replacement Petrol) and LPG (gas) pumps. Both are around half the price of petrol or diesel.
So I was thinking about buying a car that can run on one of these. Anyone on boards have any experience or knowledge to share on the subject?

Matt Simis

Where is "local" to you?
Is this a joke thread?

LPG is a gas that requires conversion of a standard petrol car.
LRP is, apparently, a leaded type petrol with different additives for use in old unleaded incompatible engines. I cannot see why it would be sold at the pumps at all or cheaper.
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuel/LRP.html

AA says it was withdrawn in 2003 (presumably in the UK, was it ever here?).

Mycroft H

Its a long time since I've seen LRP.

Matt Simis

Matt Simis wrote: »

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LRP............

AA says it was withdrawn in 2003 (presumably in the UK, was it ever here?).

Yep, 'twas here, but haven't seen it in 10 to 15 years I'd say, it started getting to be a rare site in the early mid 90s here iirc.

Mycroft H

Defiantly here at one stage. Not seen it in a good 10-12 years though. My mind deceiving me or was it always a few cent dearer then unleaded?

BX 19

BX 19 wrote: »

............... Not seen it in a good 10-12 years though. My mind deceiving me or was it always a few cent dearer then unleaded?

'twas a few pence dearer per litre
There is still bottles of shtuff available to lash into unleaded if have a thing that might suffer on the unleaded over a period of years.

TPM

I think it was a bit more expensive allright, there was never much demand for it.
anyone with a "classic" car now can use an additive

dr.fuzzenstein

A lot of classic had head conversions done, meaning they can run of regular petrol without additives.
Alternative fuels?
Well, the LPG is an alternative, but the conversion costs a bit, other than that, early 80's diesel Merc and chip fat.

TPM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

A lot of classic had head conversions done, meaning they can run of regular petrol without additives.
Alternative fuels?
Well, the LPG is an alternative, but the conversion costs a bit, other than that, early 80's diesel Merc and chip fat.

early vw 1.6 diesel do too, and fourtrak along with others. cold starting can be fun though:eek:

did the classic conversion mean changing valves and fitting hardened valve seats to cope with hotter combustion of unleaded pertrol?

Senna

I haven't seen LPG in ages, it was around the price of normal petrol so it never took off, it definitely wasn't half the price.
There are normally a few LPG cars for sale in the north, usually big engine range rovers, jag's etc.

pa990

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

My local garages have LRP (leaded replacement Petrol) and LPG (gas) pumps. Both are around half the price of petrol or diesel....

A S L

fasttalkerchat

LPG is in nearly every town in the north now. Average price is 65p per litre and it doesn't rise more than 1 or 2p per year.
Here's a fairly up to date list of stations.
A 2nd hand LPG car costs about the same price as a petrol one but will generally have more miles. Conversion costs around £1000.

Leaded Replacement Petrol is harder to find. I know one one place in my town and 2 places in my home town that sells it. It would still be suitable if it was our 2nd car.

Good quality Biodiseal isn't widely available yet and chip fat oil is too much hassle. Kerosene is illegal for road use.

TPM

Do you not need to pay duty if you are using veg oil (or any other) oil in a road going vehicle

keithclancy

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/how-to-save-fuel-costs-with-a-wood-powered-pickup-truck.html

If you have a few trees out the back thats all you need

fasttalkerchat

TPM wrote: »

Do you not need to pay duty if you are using veg oil (or any other) oil in a road going vehicle

I would not exceed the usage limit so no duty would apply (in theory).

NB:The rules may be different in the republic

TPM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I would not exceed the usage limit so no duty would apply (in theory).

NB:The rules may be different in the republic

I think they are a lot different here :mad:

dr.fuzzenstein

keithclancy wrote: »

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/how-to-save-fuel-costs-with-a-wood-powered-pickup-truck.html

If you have a few trees out the back thats all you need

It's actually not a new technology, going back to 1901.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas

The new thing ( if it is new), is the air powered car:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car
Let's see them tax air! (I'm sure they will)

keithclancy

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It's actually not a new technology, going back to 1901.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas

The new thing ( if it is new), is the air powered car:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car
Let's see them tax air! (I'm sure they will)

Kind of knew that already, was popular during the fuel crisis.