Kony 2012

Daithi 1

You must be living under a rock is you havnt heard about the "make kony famous" campaign. The video has gone viral with 39 million hits in 3 days. If the Americans do decide to take him out it's gonna make Obama look like a freakin angel.
Apparently this Kony fella has killed or kidnapped 30,000 + children over the years, sounds like a lot, but he's got nothing on Bush and Blair.


Heres the video for anyone interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

Interesting colour choice.






Here are the good folks that are expected to help !! are you f*cking kidding me ?


Thought's ?

Jeboa Safari

Jaafa

The have been heavily criticized by many people at this point.

3 main issues,

1. Their funding and spending has come into question, only 30% of their expenditure went into direct aid, far too small by any account. This while their three founders net close to 90000 dollars each.

2. More importantly their strategy is totally idiotic. They not only support raising awrness about Kony but direct military intervention in Uganda. This includes funding, arming and training the Ugandan military, who themsleves have been accused of war crimes like rape and torture. (never the country is run by a dictator of 26 years)

3. To top it all off Kony hasn't been in Uganda since 2006. The area has been fairly peaceful of late so this campaign comes at an odd time. It also means the Ugandan military can't do anything about Kony, yet the group still advocates arming them.

As a result of their lobbying 100 US military advisers were sent to Uganda. Some people have even go so far as to suggest this may be the first step in wider US build up in the region (2.5-6 billion barrels worth of oil were recently discovered in Uganda.)

These two links discuss the issue in better detail.

http://thatneedstogo.tumblr.com/post/18907388408/kony-2012-causing-more-harm-than-good

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com.nyud.net/ Go to the 'we got trouble post a little down the page'

Also to note FB is blocking people from linking to these two blogs among others, I personally have tried. Youtube also has taken down some videos criticizing KONY 2012. This may be because Mark Zuckerberg himself is backing the group.

enno99

Tullow Says Investments In Uganda Oil Sector Has Hit $1 Billion

Uganda is expected to commence phased oil production next year, starting with around 20,000 barrels of oil a day, peaking at around 180,000 barrels a day by 2018, according to Fred Kabagambe Kalisa, the permanent secretary at Uganda's energy and minerals ministry

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/02/28/tullow-says-investments-in-uganda-oil-sector-has-hit-1-billion/

A little incentive for the big boys to go in



Number 1 on the list for years they decide to go for him now

CyberJuice

whats the conspiracy theory here?

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

Tullow Says Investments In Uganda Oil Sector Has Hit $1 Billion

Uganda is expected to commence phased oil production next year, starting with around 20,000 barrels of oil a day, peaking at around 180,000 barrels a day by 2018, according to Fred Kabagambe Kalisa, the permanent secretary at Uganda's energy and minerals ministry

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/02/28/tullow-says-investments-in-uganda-oil-sector-has-hit-1-billion/

A little incentive for the big boys to go in

Uganda has been open to oil exploration for decades, including US companies.

Jonny7

CyberJuice wrote: »

whats the conspiracy theory here?

It seems to be a case of the usual - the US has to be up to something dark and sinister, therefore conspiracy :rolleyes:

Daithi 1

Thought this was good..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIlZkMCcszg

davoxx

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Thought this was good..
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that's how i feel sometimes ... the rest of the time i welcome humanity's eventual destruction :pac:

Eggy Baby!

It seems to be a case of the usual - the US has to be up to something dark and sinister, therefore conspiracy

It's usual because they usually are.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

Uganda has been open to oil exploration for decades, including US companies.

Cant decide if your reply came from ignorance or arrogance

Anyway the words exploring and producing mean completely different things

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

Cant decide if your reply came from ignorance or arrogance

Anyway the words exploring and producing mean completely different things

Excuse me, has something being stopping US companies from producing or striking deals with Uganda before now?

hooradiation

CyberJuice wrote: »

whats the conspiracy theory here?

I don't believe there is one.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

Excuse me, has something being stopping US companies from producing or striking deals with Uganda before now?

Striking deals none

"The oil industry is still young, but payments in the millions of dollars have already been made to the government in signing bonuses, licensing fees and so on, but the government has so far been unwilling to share the amounts that have been paid nor the way the money has been spent,"

Producing


KAMPALA, 14 October 2011 (IRIN) - Uganda has yet to produce a single barrel of oil, but with three senior ministers accused of accepting bribes from oil companies and the government seemingly ill-prepared for imminent large-scale oil production, the phrase “resource curse” is already being bandied about


http://www.irinnews.org/Report/93966/Analysis-Rocky-start-for-Uganda-s-oil-sector

Total Christophe de Margerie said his company had proposed to Uganda that a pipeline that is planned to bring Ugandan oil to a Kenyan port be built so it could be extended to South Sudan

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/07/total-
idUSL5E7N72YY20111207


Minister of State for Energy Simon D'ujang said Monday that Kenya and neighbouring Congo will help build the 750-mile (1,200-kilometre) pipeline from Uganda's Albertine oil field to the Kenyan port of Mombasa. He said the three countries will jointly own the pipeline which will have a capacity to deliver 100,000 barrels of refined oil per day.

http://www.680news.com/news/world/article/176935--uganda-says-it-will-build-pipeline-carrying-oil-through-congo-to-kenya-s-coast

750 miles pipeline 140 miles in Uganda
You think Joseph Kony wont spoil the party ?

Jonny7

A UK company is in there (Irish founded actually)

If they didn't have to pull some conspiracy, or promise military intervention to get those deals, why would the US have to?

shanered

Is there any push for EU action or is it a purely US endeavour?
Bar the guy from the UN...

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

A UK company is in there (Irish founded actually)

If they didn't have to pull some conspiracy, or promise military intervention to get those deals, why would the US have to?

You do realise the US has an interest in every barrel of oil that comes out of the ground

Its called the dollar

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

You do realise the US has an interest in every barrel of oil that comes out of the ground

Its called the dollar

And countries want to sell oil, like Uganda, whats your point here?

Tzar Chasm

Jonny7 wrote: »

enno99 wrote: »

You do realise the US has an interest in every barrel of oil that comes out of the ground

Its called the dollar

And countries want to sell oil, like Uganda, whats your point here?

A dangerous precedent has already been set where india and other nations are trading for oil with iran in non dollar transactions.

The US has to nip this in the bud before other countries attempt to do the same, libya was cocking about with something similar until they were liberated.

shanered

Can anybody address the question, due to the "global outrage"...why just America?
Funny if it went so viral other nations started looking for a piece of the action in this oil rich state.
Wouldn't it be great to see the likes of North Korea, Argentina, Ireland and India say that they want to help too!

Tzar Chasm

well yeah the US would love another Coalition of the Willing to do whatever the AMericans tell them

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

A dangerous precedent has already been set where india and other nations are trading for oil with iran in non dollar transactions.

The US has to nip this in the bud before other countries attempt to do the same, libya was cocking about with something similar until they were liberated.

Yup, I've heard all the conspiracy theories - the devil is the details.

US oil companies are fairly free to do business with Uganda right now regardless of the whole LRA situation.

Tzar Chasm

Well can you expand on the details

The US can currently buy oil from Uganda, I don't dispute this fact, however how would the relationship change if Uganda suddenly decided it too wanted Gold for its oil?

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Well can you expand on the details

The US can currently buy oil from Uganda, I don't dispute this fact, however how would the relationship change if Uganda suddenly decided it too wanted Gold for its oil?

What if you sold items on ebay but only accepted the equivalent in gold as payment?

There have been many hints throughout the years (from at least 2003) of a switch to Euros, and more recently to a "basket" of other currencies, e.g. the Yen, the Yuan, even gold - however China, Russia, Japan, and various ME oil producers have firmly denied this - they're sticking to the dollar for now. It would make no financial sense for Uganda to go against the grain.

biko

The LRA is not an issue at the moment, Al-Qaeda is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DO73Ese25Y

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/uganda/9131469/Joseph-Kony-2012-growing-outrage-in-Uganda-over-film.html

weisses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz0IxH865oc

Kony is everywhere

Sabrielle

Whatever their motivation, its not like US intervention is going to make things in Uganda any worse than they are at the moment.

Daithi 1

Sabrielle wrote: »

Whatever their motivation, its not like US intervention is going to make things in Uganda any worse than they are at the moment.

Torakx

I think once you have caught on to the first few false flag terrorism attacks by the USA and most likely UK too, it all becomes a little monotonous.

Same story different place.We want your sh1t so lets rally the sheeple get the troops worked up and go steal some resources woohoo.
"AMERICA F_ _k YEAH!"

By the way.
That was a truly epic post Jeboa Safari .
Strange, China must really be putting the boot down for Africa, because the US has already screwed over Syria and i wasnt expecting a move on any other nations for a while.

geeman

Yes, the attempt to establish US military bases in Africa hasn't gone down well with African nations for historical reasons naturally.

The US want boots on the ground in Uganda, South Sudan, DRC (the prize) and some other central African countries rich in natural resources.

AFRICOM (African Command) was established in 2006 and fully activated in October 2008 on the heels of Obama being elected.

Their current headquarters are in Stuttgart, Germany because no African nation has ever wanted them on the continent.

Their first Military engagement was helping remove Gaddafi from power in 2011 and we all know how well that's going, just depends on your perspective.

Despite having almost 200,000 men part of 300 militias with access to a lot of weapons, it destabilizes the region and makes it easier to exploit.

Gaddafi vehemently opposed any US military deployment in Africa and because it has the largest oil reserves after Nigeria with almost zero foreign debt, it made sense to get rid of him first.

Uganda is currently ruled by puppet Yoweri Museveni who has been president since 1986 so that would be the best entry point for US troops or atleast mercenaries backed up by the US/EU -- think of Colombia in South America and the infamous "War On Drugs"

Joseph Kony is the new Osama Bin Laden, the new bogie man we all need to hate and justify sending troops into Africa. I'm not disputing he's an evil man, but there are probably hundreds if not thousands of Joseph Konys in Africa yet the US pick him as an opponent?

This is just more of the same crap we seen happening in Middle East, South America and Asia. The people in these countries are just unfortunate enough to be sitting on lots of resources that foreign companies want.

The real prize for the US is the DRC because it has resources worth up to $24 trillion -- that's twice the GDP of Europe and America so you'll start to see military actions in that country over the next few years.

Nigerian fella said to me "It's all happening again..."

yep..this is just the start.

geeman

biko wrote:

The LRA is not an issue at the moment, Al-Qaeda is.

Al-Qaeda are just Mercenaries, hired thugs.

They work for the highest bidder.

Jonny7

geeman wrote: »

Al-Qaeda are just Mercenaries, hired thugs.

They work for the highest bidder.

Which is why they blow themselves up .. for monetary reasons :rolleyes:

geeman

Film funded by billionaire investor George Soros

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/15/212-4/

Jaafa

Jonny7 wrote: »

Which is why they blow themselves up .. for monetary reasons :rolleyes:

Actually this often the case. They recruit impoverished young men, who have little to no prospects for the future, and offer them a small fortune to be given to their families should they carry out a suicide bombing for them.

cbyrne11

geeman wrote: »

Film funded by billionaire investor George Soros

http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/15/212-4/

I have no idea what that site is but any article that has sentence afer sentence stating fact without any references or evidence to substanciate it should be quickly avoided least you don a tin foil hat!

Not entirely sure you could call this a conspiracy theory but I imagine invisible children has little to do with Obama's decision to send troops to Uganda!

enno99

cbyrne11 wrote: »

I have no idea what that site is but any article that has sentence afer sentence stating fact without any references or evidence to substanciate it should be quickly avoided least you don a tin foil hat!

Not entirely sure you could call this a conspiracy theory but I imagine invisible children has little to do with Obama's decision to send troops to Uganda!

3 links I found in that article

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/africa/horn-of-africa/uganda/157-lra-a-regional-strategy-beyond-killing-kony.aspx


http://www.wnd.com/2011/03/278685/



http://www.wnd.com/2011/03/281065/


Probably should read it before you ridicule it

cbyrne11

enno99 wrote: »

3 links I found in that article

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/africa/horn-of-africa/uganda/157-lra-a-regional-strategy-beyond-killing-kony.aspx


http://www.wnd.com/2011/03/278685/



http://www.wnd.com/2011/03/281065/


Probably should read it before you ridicule it

The guy (Aaron Klein) that wrote the original article is the head of the Jerusalem bureau for WorldNewsdaily WND I origianlly wasn't going to read them but figured I give it a chance and same deal telling it like a story with no inkling to where he got the information about Soros or this other person being donors. My god I looked down further and saw One World Order mentioned, this is not getting another second of my time!

He is also the author of "Manchurian President: Barack Obama's Ties to Communists, Socialists and Other Anti-American Extremists", and "Red Army:The Radical Network That Must Be Defeated to Save America"

So a conspiracy theroist, I cannot in good conscience subject myself to reading any more about this man!

The other article seems to be a reputable source but doesn't link George Soros in it at all, which is what I was complaining about. I noticed there was links further down but the first few paragraph have a lot of wilds claims with no links or sources, or lists in any way to where they got the information from, not even a claim of an anonymous source! ridiculous!

enno99

cbyrne11 wrote: »

So a conspiracy theroist, I cannot in good conscience subject myself to reading any more about this man!

The other article seems to be a reputable source but doesn't link George Soros in it at all, which is what I was complaining about. I noticed there was links further down but the first few paragraph have a lot of wilds claims with no links or sources, or lists in any way to where they got the information from, not even a claim of an anonymous source! ridiculous!

A conspiracy theorist on a conspiracy forum how novel

So you saw three links but just dismissed them and inaccurately stated their was none

you decided not to give it anymore of your time

perhaps you tought your time would be better spent ridiculing the post on this thread and the one on after hours

George Soros is Chairman of Soros Fund Management, LLC.

He was born in Budapest in 1930. He survived the Nazi occupation and fled communist Hungary in 1947 for England, where he graduated from the London School of Economics. He then settled in the United States, where he accumulated a large fortune through an international investment fund he founded and managed.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about.aspx

cbyrne11

enno99 wrote: »

A conspiracy theorist on a conspiracy forum how novel

So you saw three links but just dismissed them and inaccurately stated their was none

you decided not to give it anymore of your time

perhaps you tought your time would be better spent ridiculing the post on this thread and the one on after hours

George Soros is Chairman of Soros Fund Management, LLC.

He was born in Budapest in 1930. He survived the Nazi occupation and fled communist Hungary in 1947 for England, where he graduated from the London School of Economics. He then settled in the United States, where he accumulated a large fortune through an international investment fund he founded and managed.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about.aspx[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry I didn't realise that this is the conspiracy theorist thread I came on here to talk about Kony 2012 campaign as I find it interesting. But I was greeted by articles from a journalist that most newspapers will only print in their editorial because of his frequent use of unreferenced material or anonymous sources.

Ahh so now I see the link, he sits on the board of this crisisgroup agency, right so that's far enough. but can you please show me where all of the following is referenced?

"The president-emeritus of that organization, the International Crisis Group, is the principal author of Responsibility to Protect, the military doctrine used by Obama to justify the U.S.-led NATO campaign in Libya.
Soros’ own Open Society Institute is one of only three nongovernmental funders of the Global Centre for Responsibility to Protect, a doctrine that has been cited many times by activists urging intervention in Uganda.

Authors and advisers of the Responsibility to Protect doctrine, including a center founded and led by Samantha Power, the National Security Council special adviser to Obama on human rights, also helped to found the International Criminal Court.

Several of the doctrine’s main founders also sit on boards with Soros, who is a major proponent of the doctrine.
Soros himself maintains close ties to oil interests in Uganda. His organizations have been the leading efforts purportedly to facilitate more transparency in Uganda’s oil industry, which is being tightly controlled by the country’s leadership"

I'm sure there is a link in all of these companies/foundations but what he's saying they are doing is unreferenced and unbearable hard to follow (I imagine purposfully) and misreprentated. Am I to assume that George Soros uses all these philantophist organisations to secretly control the world, bit far fetched don't you think? If he was doing that why would he put himself on their website?


But hell you lads tend to believe anything some guys tells you on the internet than properly executed journalism, referenced, properly described, you know not confusing unsubstaniated tripe like this above!

Jonny7

Jaafa wrote: »

Actually this often the case. They recruit impoverished young men

Studies into this issue have shown that the majority are fundamentally motivated by Islamic martyrdom - many from middle-class backgrounds - and often associated within circles of friends and kin.

There are those who are forced and coerced (including women and children), likewise those suffering from terminal diseases, mental issues, previous suicidal tendencies.

Al Qaeda function on ideology and are not mercenaries or "hired thugs" for the highest bidder.

As for other poster, on LRA not being an issue - they are to the inhabitants of DRC, where they just add to the typically unreported daily rape and murder in the region.

Jaafa

Jonny7 wrote: »

Studies into this issue have shown that the majority are fundamentally motivated by Islamic martyrdom - many from middle-class backgrounds - and often associated within circles of friends and kin.

There are those who are forced and coerced (including women and children), likewise those suffering from terminal diseases, mental issues, previous suicidal tendencies.

Al Qaeda function on ideology and are not mercenaries or "hired thugs" for the highest bidder.

As for other poster, on LRA not being an issue - they are to the inhabitants of DRC, where they just add to the typically unreported daily rape and murder in the region.

Care to post any of these studies? I don't doubt many of them are extremely ideologically motivated, but applying the term mercenary to them is not inaccurate either.

Be like Nutella

I reckon this asshole Joesph Kony should be taken out (probably impossible to take him without killing him and some of those protecting him)

Leaving my conspiracy hat to one side for the moment.

Are there psychopathic mad evil people like him around the world? not many... and certainly not many armed with thousands of brainwashed and drugged out kids with AK's raping and killing on a weekly basis.

Would the US be interested in the resources of Central Africa? Of course... US companies and the US government have been interested for ages... there's so much oil and mineral wealth... not like Saudi level oil but nice quantities of oil here and there... 100k Barrels a day jobs... nothin to be sniffed at.

Is this entire thing a conspiracy organised by the US administration or powers within it to get people on side as the US goes into Africa in a big way? I have no idea.... It could be argued... but with no evidence it's hard to support.... it seems too far fetched although it's easy as hell to just blurt out stuff about it without any supporting information.

Africom IS very interesting... there's some docs out there on it and it doesn't look good... we're talkin Predator bases to laucnh strikes at al shabaab and stuff like that.... which I don't agree with.

But aside form all that could the US get this dude? kill this dude? I imagine they could... off the top of my head... a couple hundred special forces dudes.... a hand full of helicopters and a supporting temp base somewhere friendly...could take months but with satelites and all the military tech at their disposal they could shut these guys down if they wanted I am fairly sure... however...

What the **** do you do once you get him? does his whole operation just crumble and die instantly? what about all the drugged out orphan soldiers who would just ****ing shoot ya in half as soon as they'd look at you... they're like fighting dogs... brain washed and drugged for indiscriminate amoral violence.... big problem... talking thousands of these kids.

What organisation could deal with those kids? What African government would want to? It would cost many many millions, a lot of staff, buildings and take probably ten years to fix them... if possible at all in some cases.

A hundred 'advisors' me hoooole. Obviously those guys were special ops dudes armed to the teeth sent in to try and get this dude... using whatever resources they could....and failing.

Will the US send in the few hundred guys this will require...for the amount of time it could take? based on the groundswell this viral vid has caused? well Obama and congress will certainly be under pressure to do just that... but all of the points I raise above will be thrown in his face and the whole thing could end in nothing being done OR.... putting back on my conspiracy hat...

within the next few weeks... congress will overwhelmingly support a new bill which will be rushed through containing all kinds of Africom expansionary aspects... and the US will hit the Congo region in a big way..... and suffer losses too as I'd say this situation is boots on the ground... jungle/bush (excuse the pun) warfare which air strikes will not help solve as these people mix into villages and stay on the move etc.... the killing and destruction of the half dozen warlords in the region including this Kony fcuk and the disbandment of their groups is a priority in the democratization of this region which is the first step before the US goes and gets the resources...Diamonds, Oil, that mobile phone mineral **** etc etc ... in return for developing the gigantic hydroelectric potential of the region.

It's just a sad truth that even with all the resources available to the US military that they probably can't just get in there and get him quick and solve the problem... much more complex an issue than many think.

The video is excellent and is intended to do what it says... I don't think there's any massive comprehensive conspiracy at play here at all although of course people will use it for their own interests as it unfolds .... and this will always be the case.

geeman

Funny how I'm the Conspiracy Theorist when foundations like ICG actually exist and it's no secret are funded by wealthy business men drooling over the prospect of making money off African nations...

It's all just business to the big boys, they don't care about people in Africa anymore than they care about people in Asia, South America, Europe or North America..

enno99

cbyrne11 wrote: »

Ahh so now I see the link, he sits on the board of this crisisgroup agency, right so that's far enough. but can you please show me where all of the following is referenced?

"The president-emeritus of that organization, the International Crisis Group, is the principal author of Responsibility to Protect, the military doctrine used by Obama to justify the U.S.-led NATO campaign in Libya.
Soros’ own Open Society Institute is one of only three nongovernmental funders of the Global Centre for Responsibility to Protect, a doctrine that has been cited many times by activists urging intervention in Uganda.




I'm sure there is a link in all of these companies/foundations but what he's saying they are doing is unreferenced and unbearable hard to follow (I imagine purposfully) and misreprentated. Am I to assume that George Soros uses all these philantophist organisations to secretly control the world, bit far fetched don't you think? If he was doing that why would he put himself on their website?


But hell you lads tend to believe anything some guys tells you on the internet than properly executed journalism, referenced, properly described, you know not confusing unsubstaniated tripe like this above!

http://www.globalr2p.org/whoweare/donors.php



The Open Society Institute (OSI), renamed in 2011 to Open Society Foundations, is a private operating and grantmaking foundation started by George Soros

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Institute


responsibility to protect

R2P is a doctrine biased towards intervention and conflict. If this doctrine is accepted broadly, even in its current hypocritical form, it will be done so at a great cost of wealth in the developed world, and blood everywhere else



Michael Brendan Dougherty is a contributing editor to The American Conservative. His work has appeared in Politico, The Guardian, The New York Times Magazine and other outlets

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/opinion/the-responsibility-to-protect-doctrine-after-libya/11753/


Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and former Presidential Special Envoy to Sudan Richard Williamson co-chair the Working Group on the Responsibility to Protect, which includes former U.S. government officials

http://www.usip.org/programs/projects/responsibility-protect-working-group


Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

Would you trust a group that employs her?

Jonny7

Well its a summation of information over the last decade or so, books-wise I would recommend Al Qaeda: A true story by Burke and Shazhad: Inside Al Qaeda and the Taliban

As for online studies, most are by US military, thinktanks or .gov sites which is up to the reader to determine - however collectively they generally carry the same message
http://dspace.cigilibrary.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/28901/1/Why%20Youth%20Join%20al-Qaeda.pdf?1
http://www.pvtr.org/pdf/GlobalAnalysis/Multi-generational.pdf
http://www.scps.nyu.edu/export/sites/scps/pdf/global-affairs/marta-sparago.pdf

A more general overview of suicide bombings here

I would describe something like Al Sadr's Madhi army as group of "hired thugs" or mercenaries - loyalty through monetary incentive. However Al Qaeda I would describe as almost exclusively ideological, although I do agree some recruitment techniques include financial incentive.

Jaafa

Jonny7 wrote: »

Well its a summation of information over the last decade or so, books-wise I would recommend Al Qaeda: A true story by Burke and Shazhad: Inside Al Qaeda and the Taliban

As for online studies, most are by US military, thinktanks or .gov sites which is up to the reader to determine - however collectively they generally carry the same message
http://dspace.cigilibrary.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/28901/1/Why%20Youth%20Join%20al-Qaeda.pdf?1
http://www.pvtr.org/pdf/GlobalAnalysis/Multi-generational.pdf
http://www.scps.nyu.edu/export/sites/scps/pdf/global-affairs/marta-sparago.pdf

A more general overview of suicide bombings here

I would describe something like Al Sadr's Madhi army as group of "hired thugs" or mercenaries - loyalty through monetary incentive. However Al Qaeda I would describe as almost exclusively ideological, although I do agree some recruitment techniques include financial incentive.

TBH the more I think about it, and the more I look into, the less I want to label each group as ideologically/monetary motivated. I think a much more accurate, but impossible exercise would to label each individual member as one or the other. Even saying the 'majority' in a group are this or that, isn't going to work. I mean we can just make counter claim after counter claim about this, each time citing examples of a member or several members who admit to being motivated by this or that, but in the end, we'd have to have statements from almost every member of a group to be sure.

For example you say a group like the Mahdi army is motivated by money, yet It's well documented that a lot of their members hold a certain reverence towards Sadr and fight for him, due to his popularity for various reasons, one being his refusal to leave Iraq during the first gulf war.

So I think each group is far too complex to label their motives as one thing, or even mainly one thing.

In any case this is a thread in itself, so we should probably go back on topic.

geeman

There has been an unprecedented development taking place right now...

The 'Joseph Kony Resolution' has been passed by the House of Representatives in US....

Nobody could have forseen this one, nobody could tell US wanted to establish military bases in Africa, starting with AFRICOM (2008) and then removing Gaddafi from power who opposed the move..

Of course, it's all to help the African people there...Africans need the white man to help them out just like they've done for hundreds of years.

What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

Jonny7

geeman wrote: »

There has been an unprecedented development taking place right now...

The 'Joseph Kony Resolution' has been passed by the House of Representatives in US....

Nobody could have forseen this one, nobody could tell US wanted to establish military bases in Africa, starting with AFRICOM (2008) and then removing Gaddafi from power who opposed the move..

Of course, it's all to help the African people there...Africans need the white man to help them out just like they've done for hundreds of years.

What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

Obama signed the LRA Uganda bill back in 2010. Around 100 military advisers have already been sent into Uganda.

Daithi 1

Jonny7 wrote: »

Obama signed the LRA Uganda bill back in 2010. Around 100 military advisers have already been sent into Uganda.

Yes, however a new resolution had been drawn up due to the Kony sh!te.

"The resolution, introduced by Reps. Jim McGovern, D-Mass. and Ed Royce, R-Calif., calls for, among other things, expanding the number of regional forces in Africa to protect civilians and placing restrictions on individuals or governments found to be supporting Kony."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57396592-503544/joseph-kony-resolution-introduced-in-house/

So you can bet there will be more than 100 military advisers there before long, and lots of dead innocent Ugandan bodies.

Daithi 1

You seriously couldnt make this **** up......

‘Kony 2012′ filmmaker arrested in San Diego








Invisible Children filmmaker Jason Russell in a 2009 file photo. (NBC)Jason Russell, the filmmaker behind the mega-viral "Kony 2012" documentary, was arrested in San Diego on Thursday night, NBC reported, citing the San Diego Police Department.
Russell, 33, "was taken into custody after he was found masturbating in public, vandalizing cars and possibly under the influence of something," NBC's San Diego affiliate reported, citing San Diego Police Department spokeswoman Lt. Andra Brown.
The San Diego Police Department's Brown did not immediately return two messages left Friday from Yahoo News.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/kony-2012-filmmaker-arrested-san-diego-205649394.html

geeman

Jonny7 wrote:

Obama signed the LRA Uganda bill back in 2010. Around 100 military advisers have already been sent into Uganda.

What do you think troops are being sent into Africa for?

@Daithi, strange twist to the story...wonder what other surprises are around the corner.