ULSU UGM 2012 (rescheduled for Tuesday, Week 10 at 7pm, location TBC)

ned14 · 14-03-2012 10:37pm

Why not have it in the SU Courtyard. People would stop on their way through and start listening in, should make up the numbers easily enough.

unionjack · 14-03-2012 11:00pm

Awesome ideas guys

Jester252 · 14-03-2012 11:20pm

ned14 wrote: »

Why not have it in the SU Courtyard. People would stop on their way through and start listening in, should make up the numbers easily enough.

It would be hard to keep track of the numbers. Also Irish weather :pac:

OhMSGlive · 14-03-2012 11:34pm

Jester252 wrote: »

Also Irish weather :pac:

This.

roro1neil0 · 15-03-2012 2:18am

Chimaera wrote: »

Reducing the quorum is abosolutely the wrong solution here. If the union can't engage enough with those it represents to get 1/50 of them to turn up then it's got problems.

100 people is getting dangerously close to the level of getting a quorum by getting your mates in there.

Just remind ourselves what is stake here - **** all. What the SU does on a daily basis or on a year to year basis has little impact on the student body.

- Ratification of Auditor:-Pat Carroll & Co.

Who cares?

- Motion on Retaining Services of Communications Officer

Who cares?

- Motion to Reduce Quorum of a General Meeting to 100

Who cares

- Motion to Recognise Irish as an Official Language of the Union

Who cares?

- Motion to Reduce wages of Sabbatical Officers by €1/hour

Who cares?

- Motion to Reduce wages of Sabbatical Officers during Handover/Training
- Motion re additional articles for draft constitution
- Motion re Sabbats to wear silly hats.

Who cares?

Absolutely none of these motions have any bearing on the student body, so why should the waste their time attending.

deise go deo · 15-03-2012 3:29am

roro1neil0 wrote: »

- Motion to Recognise Irish as an Official Language of the Union

Who cares?

Mise, agus an lucht gaeilge ar campus.

wnolan1992 · 15-03-2012 10:25am

roro1neil0 wrote: »

Just remind ourselves what is stake here - **** all. What the SU does on a daily basis or on a year to year basis has little impact on the student body.

Who cares?

Who cares?

Who cares

Who cares?

Who cares?

Who cares?

Absolutely none of these motions have any bearing on the student body, so why should the waste their time attending.

Y'know? You're right. Let's close the SU. Why do we need them anyway? I mean, all this Unionisation reeks of filthy Socialism anyway! Sure we don't need representation on any of the committees, we don't need class reps, we don't need any events organised. Student paper/radio station? Bah!

roro1neil0 · 16-03-2012 9:29pm

deise go deo wrote: »

Mise, agus an lucht gaeilge ar campus.

tusa but not 199 more people? not even 200 people in this college give a damn about that motion. probably less than 10.

Naggins · 16-03-2012 10:02pm

wnolan1992 wrote: »

- Motion to Reduce wages of Sabbatical Officers by €1/hour
- Motion to Reduce wages of Sabbatical Officers during Handover/Training
- Motion re Sabbats to wear silly hats.
[*]Items For Discussion
- New Student Centre
[*]AOB
[/LIST]

Sabbats earn pretty close to the minimum wage if I'm not mistaken. Silly hats? Best idea ever.

wnolan1992 · 16-03-2012 10:23pm

Naggins wrote: »

Sabbats earn pretty close to the minimum wage if I'm not mistaken. Silly hats? Best idea ever.

They earn Min. Wage + €1 an hour for a 44hour work week I believe.

reunion · 19-03-2012 2:05pm

I'm wondering, as sabats pay wasn't decided at the ugm and quorum wasn't met for a while in previous years, when was it decided the pay should be min+€1?

As sabats pay need to be decided at the ugm, what happens if quorum isn't met before the new sabats start their roles? Particularly as their are 2 motions which directly affect incoming sabats

wnolan1992 · 19-03-2012 2:22pm

reunion wrote: »

I'm wondering, as sabats pay wasn't decided at the ugm and quorum wasn't met for a while in previous years, when was it decided the pay should be min+€1?

As sabats pay need to be decided at the ugm, what happens if quorum isn't met before the new sabats start their roles? Particularly as their are 2 motions which directly affect incoming sabats

If quorum isn't met if they reschedule the UGM, or if a referendum isn't held before the end of the year, the wage levels carry over until next year, as contracts will have to be signed and such no doubt.

reunion · 19-03-2012 2:34pm

wnolan1992 wrote: »

If quorum isn't met if they reschedule the UGM, or if a referendum isn't held before the end of the year, the wage levels carry over until next year, as contracts will have to be signed and such no doubt.

From what I've been told it has to be decided each year, minimum wage should be the default not above it. Also as quorum was met quite rarely when was that wage decided? And was that at a meeting which met quorum?

I severely hope that the next general meeting is in less than 2 weeks as was requested at the ugm. And not brushed aside due to some sabats running for election again or out going sabats not caring (it will seem that way anyway).

bazkennedy · 19-03-2012 2:38pm

reunion wrote: »

From what I've been told it has to be decided each year, minimum wage should be the default not above it. Also as quorum was met quite rarely when was that wage decided? And was that at a meeting which met quorum?

Based on the last few years, this can't be the case. They've only had 3 quorate GMs in the past 6 years. If that's the case how could they have set the wages

wnolan1992 · 19-03-2012 2:41pm

reunion wrote: »

From what I've been told it has to be decided each year, minimum wage should be the default not above it. Also as quorum was met quite rarely when was that wage decided? And was that at a meeting which met quorum?

I severely hope that the next general meeting is in less than 2 weeks as was requested at the ugm. And not brushed aside due to some sabats running for election again or out going sabats not caring (it will seem that way anyway).

Oh, if it has to be decided on every year (which would make sense given the "Review of Sabbats Wages" standing motion on the Agenda) then I assume it was decided at the last UGM to meet quorum and has carried over through ones that didn't meet quorum like the one two weeks ago.

IIRC nothing will happen before next week. CRC is week 10 I believe, so it can't be raised until then. And I bet it won't be rescheduled for week 10 due to time, and then we have the week off for Easter, so I reckon Tuesday of Week 11(10th of April) is probably the earliest we could hope to see this happening. Will be a real shame if they just push it aside.

reunion · 19-03-2012 3:26pm

Class reps can decide this via email. No requirement for a class rep council meeting. So stalling for another general meeting just raises lots of questions (not having a general meeting in the next 2 weeks).

Would love to know when the wage was decided or who decided the pay is carried over if quorum isn't met?

Maybe class reps are the back up to decide the pay if quorum isn't met? Though being a class rep, I saw no mention of approving sabat pay. I only found out this year what the pay is!

wnolan1992 · 19-03-2012 5:38pm

reunion wrote: »

Class reps can decide this via email. No requirement for a class rep council meeting. So stalling for another general meeting just raises lots of questions (not having a general meeting in the next 2 weeks).

Would love to know when the wage was decided or who decided the pay is carried over if quorum isn't met?

Maybe class reps are the back up to decide the pay if quorum isn't met? Though being a class rep, I saw no mention of approving sabat pay. I only found out this year what the pay is!

My understanding of that would be that a motion has to be passed to lower the wages. And if quorum isn't met, then obviously such a motion can't be passed so the pay would remain the same. Take the UGM for example, when the chair was going through the motions he said something along the lines of "Review of Sabbats pay, well since we haven't met quorum we can't change this so the pay rates will stay the say for next year".

Maybe I misunderstood and they were planning to coincide the UGM with the CRC in Week 10. Though to be honest I think this would be a mistake given that two of our sabbats are running for re-election and wouldn't be promoting the UGM until Friday at the earliest which would just mean we'd probably not m meet quorum again. It's a mess either way.

ninty9er · 19-03-2012 7:43pm

The motion relating to halving during handover has caused concern from the General Manager in terms of legalities, so hopefully he'll have answers on that before the UGM is rescheduled.

In terms of when it was decided that it should be minimum wage plus €1. It was UGM Spring 2006 when the positions of VP/PPO and VP/CSO were established. It was held in the Stables, indoors with the same setup as last week. It was definitely well past quorate.

In terms of why people don't attend. I spoke to a number of students on Thursday last week who knew the meeting was on but just didn't have any interest.

This is a failing of the Union in general, but without students saying what it is they want, there's little can be done to address that.

highlydebased · 19-03-2012 8:22pm

ninty9er wrote: »

This is a failing of the Union in general, but without students saying what it is they want, there's little can be done to address that.

If a room is not available, it's not available, but the stables is really not suitable to hold meetings in.

Tighearnan · 19-03-2012 8:47pm

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Wonder how many of the retards that proposed the silly hats bullsh*t actually bothered to show up?

The proposer was there

deise go deo · 19-03-2012 9:14pm

roro1neil0 wrote: »

tusa but not 199 more people? not even 200 people in this college give a damn about that motion. probably less than 10.

Seafóid, Níl clue againn cé mhead a bhí i bhfabhar mar ní raibh aon Vóta, ní raibh sé fógraithe i gceart, ó thaobh na Gaeilge bhí imeacht do Seachtain na Gaeilge ar súil agus comh maith le sin bhí rangeanna ar súil.
Bhí an UGM míeagraithe, níl muide freagrach ar an UGM, Is é an tAontas atá freagrach. D'fhéadfadh gur cheapann tú go bhfuil nios lú na deich le suim i nGaeilge in Ollscoil Luimnigh, ach chun an fhírinne a rá, is cuma ceard a cheapann tú.
Nonsense, We don't know how many were in favor because there was no Vote, it was not publicised properly, from the Irish side there was a event for Irish Week on at the time, as well as that there were classes on. The UGM was poorly organised, We are not responsible for that, the SU is.
You might think that less than ten people care about Irish in UL, but to be honnest I don't care.

roro1neil0 · 19-03-2012 9:18pm

Frankly shocked by your bad manners. It's like you can't take any challenge to your dogma sensibly. My point is not even 200 people were bothered to vote on this irish language motion.

You are bringing up excuses about the SU not informing enough people, an event being on, and classes being on. It all reeks of desperation and your inability to admit that this isn't an issue students care about, not even the Irish speaking ones or the sympathizers.

You're worse than that NIall nutcase who basically threatened another user because he didn't agree homosexuals were treated worse than the slaves.

I'd advise you not to be the face of this campaign Deise if you this is your level of political ability, don't try and bully me with your bull****.

deise go deo · 19-03-2012 9:32pm

roro1neil0 wrote: »

Frankly shocked by your bad manners. It's like you can't take any challenge to your dogma sensibly. My point is not even 200 people were bothered to vote on this irish language motion.

You are bringing up excuses about the SU not informing enough people, an event being on, and classes being on. It all reeks of desperation and your inability to admit that this isn't an issue students care about, not even the Irish speaking ones or the sympathizers.

You're worse than that NIall nutcase who basically threatened another user because he didn't agree homosexuals were treated worse than the slaves.

I'd advise you not to be the face of this campaign Deise if you this is your level of political ability, don't try and bully me with your bull****.

Right sure,

If you must know, we did get a good bit of feedback on the motion we put forward, unfortunatly several of the people who were in favor of the motion were away on co-op and were quite disapointed when told they could not vote,(something that could be looked into perhaps) classes being on is not a small issue, had quorum been met I would have had to miss the start of my lab to propose the motion, not many, no mater how in favor of a motion they are, would be willing to do that.

Again, I am not responsible for the UGM reaching quorum, We did try to raise awareness of the motion, but quite frankly it's not my job to stuff a room, had there been a vote, I am confident that the motion would have passed easily.

If you were offended by anything I said then I do appolgise, but claiming that less than 10 people in UL are interested in Irish and then accusing me of bulsh1t is a bit rich.

deise go deo · 21-03-2012 2:33pm

ULSU UGM has been rescheduled, it will be on Tuesday, Week 10 at 7pm, location TBC.

wnolan1992 · 21-03-2012 2:41pm

Derek Daly Email wrote:

[FONT=Cambria,serif]UNION GENERAL MEETING[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]·The Union General Meeting failed to meet quorum (number of people required to be able to decide things: 200) last week and will now take place after Council next Tuesday (approx. 7pm) (Week 10). [/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]·The room will be advised as soon as it is confirmed to us by SAA.[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]·Agenda will be recirculated including the room details.[/FONT]

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Let's try this again people! :P

deise go deo · 21-03-2012 3:24pm

Gaeilge and the SU, Lets Make it Official

An Cumann Gaelach UL has put forward a motion for the ULSU Union General Meeting to make Irish an official language of the Students Union.
Tá sibhse ag taisteal chun votáil ar a son.

Is ceim é seo i bhfeachtais nios leithne, we are aiming to give students a chance to choose which language they wish to use with the union, Gaeilge nó Béarla, idealy we would like to see every student given a choice on the registration form in first year where they will indicate their language choice, and they should be able to change their mind at any time after that.

Should a student choose English, then nothing changes for them, Má roghnionn siad Gaeilge, then they would be part of Pobal na Gaeilge ar an gCampus. The Irish officer should then be seen as representing that group, and idealy would be elected by/from them, and would be responsible for developing the services available in Irish for the students that want them.

Tá fhios againn go bhfuil an tAontas bancbhriste, we do not expect the Union to pay for translations or any other cost associated with providing services in Irish while it is unable to pay its own staff.

We are aiming to secure agreement in principle for the funding of those services after the SU does recover financially
The system we would like to see put in place at that time would be one where the amount of funding for providing services in Irish would be proportional to the number of students looking for those services.

It is not being suggested that Irish become An Cead Teanga of the Union, or that every document/email/service provided by the union must be in Irish. We just want a choice for those who do want to use Irish.

Tá an reabhlóid ag teacht, bígí linn.

deise go deo · 21-03-2012 8:52pm

Location: Kemmy Business School, Room 12.

wnolan1992 · 21-03-2012 11:09pm

deise go deo wrote: »

Location: Kemmy Business School, Room 12.

Is this confirmed?

deise go deo · 22-03-2012 12:22am

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Is this confirmed?

Derek Daily told me at the Hust this evening.

Axe Rake · 22-03-2012 12:29am

deise go deo wrote: »

ULSU UGM has been rescheduled, it will be on Tuesday, Week 10 at 7pm, location TBC.

ULSU UGM 2012 (rescheduled for Tuesday, Week 10 at 7pm, location TBC)

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