First Saorview Failure

steveon

First Saorview Failure,
Well I had the due luck of visiting one of the proposed 2% of the population that cannot currently receive a Digital Saorview Signal, due to the fact the house was in a valley and completely surrounded by hillls etc. Location of failure Ballycorney near Killaloe Co.Clare.

She had a very poor RTE signal coming from MULLAGHANISH for the past few years which unfortunetly was still the case...I also tested for Maghera completely blocked and Woodcock also completely blocked.

I tested for the new Saorsat System which thankfully passed so I will wait until a proper box and equipment comes out and report back.

Any1 else had any problems so far?

STB

steveon wrote: »

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I tested for the new Saorsat System which thankfully passed so I will wait until a proper box and equipment comes out and report back.

? There is no Saorsat approval process that I know off.

DVB-S2. MHEG5 MPEG4 H264 L4.

Loads of them out there.

steveon

Well want to wait until all the Irish channels are there as well, would have put somethink in today only for customer wants TV3. She currently has sky so she is happy to wait...

watty

There won't be TV3 on Saorsat. You'll need ITV off Freesat instead.
Dual feed on 90cm dish.

http://www.saortv.info/satellite-saorsat/saorsat-reception/


There is no official service yet, so you are right to wait till dish sizes etc confirmed.

steveon

I was thinking along the same lines Watty hence why I will wait around and see what happens..it will be a complete joke if tv3/3e do not appear on Saorsat and totally unacceptable in my opinion...

The Cush

steveon wrote: »

First Saorview Failure,
Well I had the due luck of visiting one of the proposed 2% of the population that cannot currently receive a Digital Saorview Signal, due to the fact the house was in a valley and completely surrounded by hillls etc. Location of failure Ballycorney near Killaloe Co.Clare.

She had a very poor RTE signal coming from MULLAGHANISH for the past few years which unfortunetly was still the case...I also tested for Maghera completely blocked and Woodcock also completely blocked.

The Saorview coverage checker also indicates coverage from the Kilduff transmitter in Ballycorney area.

I knew some people in the Ogonnelloe area, north of Killaloe, some years ago whose analogue signal was bad but improved once the Killaloe relay was installed won't be much good now as the relay won't be upgraded for DTT.

Premier

watty wrote: »

There won't be TV3 on Saorsat. You'll need ITV off Freesat instead.
Dual feed on 90cm dish.

http://www.saortv.info/satellite-saorsat/saorsat-reception/


There is no official service yet, so you are right to wait till dish sizes etc confirmed.

Watty i believe that triax have stated at the roadshow in cork that a 54cm dish is ok for single feed system (saorsat).

watty

Triax are not an official Saorview/Saorsat info source.

In theory 44cm is possible. Various figures of 65cm then 80cm have been mentioned by RTE. So now it's best to wait for official confirmation. The Signal power can be reduced or increased from current level. The FEC and APSK levels can be changed too.

Digifriendly

steveon wrote: »

I was thinking along the same lines Watty hence why I will wait around and see what happens..it will be a complete joke if tv3/3e do not appear on Saorsat and totally unacceptable in my opinion...

TV3 and 3e are available via Sky in ROI are they not? Also do many watch these channels? I receive both via Saorview and rarely watch either channel.

Nothingbetter2d

if u cant get saorview on dvb-t go here to get info on how to tune it in using a sattelite dish (NOTE you will need a separate dish or a multi lnb dish to get it as its NOT on the astra 28.2E sattelite) its on the Ka-Sat @ 9E

http://www.saortv.info/satellite-saorsat/

watty

No official service yet and likely no TV3 or 3E.

watty

Digifriendly wrote: »

TV3 and 3e are available via Sky in ROI are they not? Also do many watch these channels? I receive both via Saorview and rarely watch either channel.

Irrelevant that TV3 & 3E are on Sky as that is a Pay TV service. "Wireless cable TV" as RTE cutely called it back in 2000.

In fact TV3 has more viewing time than Sky 1 and all Sky sport channels in total! I never watch them myself either. But that's not the point.

TV3 ought to be REQUIRED by regulator to have the SAME coverage as TG4 & RTE, thus be on whatever platforms TG4 and RTE are on. They are NOT a pay TV channel that can do whatever they like. They have a unique National Licence.

But our regulators make Ofcom look good, who are rubbish.

The Westerner

watty wrote: »

No official service yet and likely no TV3 or 3E.

Initially or for the longer term watty? If so, at home, lower areas of Westport town will lose TV3 for good then. The local deflector system currently broadcasts it to the wider Westport area. But this is shutting down on May 1st.

The RTENL Westport relay is not planned to be upgraded to DTT and it never carried analogue TV3, neither did the Castlebar relay, whose signal couldnt reach into lower Westport, hence the need for the W'port mast.

watty

The Regulator will not force TV3 to pay the small cost for Saorsat.
RTENL legally can't offer ANY service "free" to anyone.
TV3 before Digital had only 80% or less coverage. A lot of it less than perfect. They are in breach of licence, but would not pay to be on all the Analogue repeaters/transposers etc.
On DTT the TV3 now gets 97% and 98% after ASO. They also get 3E at 97% and ZERO before, 98% after ASO. Saorsat will add nothing to TV3 revenue and only 0.5% to 1% more TV3 viewers (as many people will have Sky).
82% get TV3 and 3E via Pay TV.

TV3 certainly will not pay to be on Saorsat ever unless regulator forces them or maybe forced by Public opinion. In fact given that they are broke from last leveraged buyout they must be tempted to be on pay TV only ... Likely only the "bad publicity" keeps them on Terrestrial at all.

DanWall

They are not transmitting digital on the Bandon relay TX, so most of the town will not be able to get Mullaghanish because we are behind a hill. I receive the free Sky channel but I don't want 2 satellite dishes on my house, so goodby RTE

pegasuspub

yea,i have had 3 places in west cork so far where there was not enough signal fro either mullaghanish or castletownbere,two of these places hac good analogue reception of rte1,rte2 and tg4 with a 10 element contract aerials,i did the mullaghanish tests with a 10 foot mast and a triax unix 52a,the third house had sufficient signal from castletownbere on channel 55 with a triax 18c/d aerial but unfortunatly a bank of wind turbines destroyed dtt reception when the wind was from a certain direction.hours of fun!!

steveon

The Cush wrote: »

The Saorview coverage checker also indicates coverage from the Kilduff transmitter in Ballycorney area.

I knew some people in the Ogonnelloe area, north of Killaloe, some years ago whose analogue signal was bad but improved once the Killaloe relay was installed won't be much good now as the relay won't be upgraded for DTT.

I did see that as I checked the saorview site before I travelled out there to see what they would say...but unfortunetly O Gonnelloe is further to the north and also blocked by a Mountain range... I tried for all DTT services from transmitters using a 20ft ex Chorus MMDS pole that was already in place...trust me only way here is Saorsat and she wont be the only one in her area which this same problem.

cast_iron

watty wrote: »

The Regulator will not force TV3 to pay the small cost for Saorsat.
RTENL legally can't offer ANY service "free" to anyone.
TV3 before Digital had only 80% or less coverage. A lot of it less than perfect. They are in breach of licence, but would not pay to be on all the Analogue repeaters/transposers etc.
On DTT the TV3 now gets 97% and 98% after ASO. They also get 3E at 97% and ZERO before, 98% after ASO. Saorsat will add nothing to TV3 revenue and only 0.5% to 1% more TV3 viewers (as many people will have Sky).
82% get TV3 and 3E via Pay TV.

TV3 certainly will not pay to be on Saorsat ever unless regulator forces them or maybe forced by Public opinion. In fact given that they are broke from last leveraged buyout they must be tempted to be on pay TV only ... Likely only the "bad publicity" keeps them on Terrestrial at all.

While it's hard to argue with the numbers, those same ASO numbers apply to RTE, yet Saorsat is there to fill the gap. By definition, if you can't get RTE on Saorview, you can't get TV3 on Saorview.

So surely it makes sense for Saorsat to carry TV3 to the same 2-3% who can't get it via DTT, as a matter of public service if nothing else.

watty

Yes, Public Service Broadcaster (PSB). Which is Why RTE & TG4 will pay RTENL.
RTE NL can't offer "free" for any service to anyone. TV3 isn't a PSB, and in the past the Regulator hasn't even enforced their non-PSB Commercial licence conditions. The ONLY method possible for TV3 to be on Saorsat is TV3 pays. Same for Oireachtas TV, TG4 and RTE.

PSB are obliged to attempt 100% coverage, but within realistic financial constraints. The Terrestrial alternative to Saorsat would be another 80 low power transmitters, at x100 capital cost and x10 running cost roughly of Ka-Sat. RTE NL simply don't have the money, they had to borrow €70M and Government nor TV3 or Tg4 hasn't put in a cent. RTENL will pay back the loan using part of the carriage charges to TG4, TV3, and RTE. The other part of Carriage charges covers running and distribution costs.

So as I say unless the Regulator makes rules and enforces them, no TV3 or 3E on Saorsat.

DanWall

If I use a terrestrial aerials, I can link 3 TVs on digital the same as I do with the analogue, I assume the Soarsat is like Sky and I will not be able to have separate signals to each TV. Can someone please clarify this.

The Cush

DanWall wrote: »

If I use a terrestrial aerials, I can link 3 TVs on digital the same as I do with the analogue, I assume the Soarsat is like Sky and I will not be able to have separate signals to each TV. Can someone please clarify this.

As Saorsat uses a single frequency, in a single band, in one polarity it should be possible to simply split the signal from the LNB.

A splitter that allows power passing on all legs (for polarity selection) should work. See this post by zg3409 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76961664

steveon

The Cush wrote: »

As Saorsat uses a single frequency, in a single band, in one polarity it should be possible to simply split the signal from the LNB.

A splitter that allows power passing on all legs (for polarity selection) should work. See this post by zg3409 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76961664

hmmmmm that could be interesting if it'll work without problems...

The Cush

steveon wrote: »

hmmmmm that could be interesting if it'll work without problems...

This from the Saorsat FAQ

7.10 How Do I Put SAORSAT In More Than One Room?

SAORSAT can be distributed to a number of rooms in a similar manner to traditional UHF or VHF television aerials. A single cable from the satellite dish to a distribution amplifier (you need a good quality satellite distribution amplifier / distribution unit / multiswitch type device) and then a cable to each room is required. A special multi-feed LNBF is not required. It can also be split locally to the receiver/Set-Top-Box to feed a second device such as a Personal Video Recorder (PVR).

A traditional UHF television distribution amplifier will not work for SAORSAT. Talk to a competent local satellite system installer (see section 9).

lobstertoe

Hi Steveon, im kinda new to this but when you say you tested for Saorsat what equipment did you use to test the level of saorsat?

Im guessing you set up a dish and pointed it to Eutelsat??

Thanks

blackius

watty wrote: »

Yes, Public Service Broadcaster (PSB). Which is Why RTE & TG4 will pay RTENL.
RTE NL can't offer "free" for any service to anyone. TV3 isn't a PSB, and in the past the Regulator hasn't even enforced their non-PSB Commercial licence conditions. The ONLY method possible for TV3 to be on Saorsat is TV3 pays. Same for Oireachtas TV, TG4 and RTE.

TG4 is publically owned though,like rtenl and rte proper.
Making distinctions or pointing out that they swap money between each other is moot.
As for tv3 not being on saorsat.
They should be legally forced to be on it.Saorview and saorsat participation should be together and non negotiable,with the associated fee inclusive and unsplitable.
Who is driving this bus?