Fast food O.K on a bulk?

pbowenroe

I am doing SS and trying to gain. Now and again I will go to supermacs, bring in a litre of milk and have it with two plain 5oz burgers. Would I be better off making my own burgers from mince at home?

_pure_mule_

i would go with making my own! super macs is all processed foods with extra additives! just an opinion tho!:)

Mellor

pbowenroe wrote: »

I am doing SS and trying to gain. Now and again I will go to supermacs, bring in a litre of milk and have it with two plain 5oz burgers. Would I be better off making my own burgers from mince at home?

Thats two big burgers. About 1800 cals.
If you made it at home, I don't think it would be much different.

_pure_mule_ wrote: »

i would go with making my own! super macs is all processed foods with extra additives! just an opinion tho!:)

But exactly how is it different? What additives?

The bread won't be much different to a pack of burger buns, chances are its made in a similar commercial bakery. Cheese, kethup, mayo will all be the pretty much the same, made by Heinz or whoever.

So it comes down to the beef.
I'm pretty sure its 100% irish beef. In that case, I don't see it being any different. To a "homemade" burger.
For reference, McDonalds' full list of ingredients for the burger is: 100% Beef. Nothing else. Not even salt. Contrary to popular believe, these places don't sell low quality food.


If you made everythign from scratch, You could remove all the additives from the off the shelf products.
But a) Nobody would be bothered. And b) Still don't think it would be significant in terms of OP goals.

Ikiru

well Mc Donalds burgers are wildly criticised inernationaly for teh poor quality of meat. those animals are living in conditions you cannot imagine but thats not even the problem. they are injected with hormones and sprayed with pesticides and antibiotics to promote growth.
burgers are not even beef, there are documented parts of burger production where they mix in the product, cats, dogs and roadkill; useless parts of all meat product of the McDonalds chain.

on the other hand anyone who cooks knows that you cannot just grill some beef (no salt added) and have it being tasty, they add close to thousands of chemicals and additives to give that flavour, they also add animal products to the chips for better flavour

i recomend you watch 'super size me' or 'food, inc.' eye openers!

Orla K

Ikiru wrote: »

well Mc Donalds burgers are wildly criticised inernationaly for teh poor quality of meat. those animals are living in conditions you cannot imagine but thats not even the problem. they are injected with hormones and sprayed with pesticides and antibiotics to promote growth.
burgers are not even beef, there are documented parts of burger production where they mix in the product, cats, dogs and roadkill; useless parts of all meat product of the McDonalds chain.

on the other hand anyone who cooks knows that you cannot just grill some beef (no salt added) and have it being tasty, they add close to thousands of chemicals and additives to give that flavour, they also add animal products to the chips for better flavour

i recomend you watch 'super size me' or 'food, inc.' eye openers!

Both of those films are very american, burgers here are from grass fed beef, no hormones and so on.

Ikiru

you are right, im not talking about the burgers from other fast food chains, just McDonalds.
they import their meat and many other products and im not sure but i think because they are branded products they are not tested by eu authorities, could be wrong on this one though

tmc86

Ikiru wrote: »

you are right, im not talking about the burgers from other fast food chains, just McDonalds.
they import their meat and many other products and im not sure but i think because they are branded products they are not tested by eu authorities, could be wrong on this one though

All McDonalds in Ireland use 100% Irish beef as do many outlets in Europe. Ireland supplies McDonalds in Europe with €200million worth of Irish produce each year.

All food produce must pass health and safety regulations so this is also wrong.

Ikiru

what else was wrong besides this piece of information?

nbrady20009

Ikiru wrote: »

well Mc Donalds burgers are wildly criticised inernationaly for teh poor quality of meat. those animals are living in conditions you cannot imagine but thats not even the problem. they are injected with hormones and sprayed with pesticides and antibiotics to promote growth.
burgers are not even beef, there are documented parts of burger production where they mix in the product, cats, dogs and roadkill; useless parts of all meat product of the McDonalds chain.

on the other hand anyone who cooks knows that you cannot just grill some beef (no salt added) and have it being tasty, they add close to thousands of chemicals and additives to give that flavour, they also add animal products to the chips for better flavour

i recomend you watch 'super size me' or 'food, inc.' eye openers!

There is so much wrong with this post. I don't think any statement made is factually correct. And quite insulting to Irish beef producers as well. If you have no knowledge of agriculture or agri-business, don't make claims like that, because they are completely unsubstantiated.

tmc86

Ikiru wrote: »

what else was wrong besides this piece of information?

Apologies, you were half right that they import their produce- I'm not sure on where their chicken is sourced from or produced but their meat (beef) is 100% Irish

Ikiru

its also wrong to acuse me of not knowing anything about irish agriculture or claim all i mentioned was wrong because firstly its not all wrong and secong i was mainly refering to american products, i saidd i wasnt sure about the irish meat factor but concerning america there is proven record on the unethical treatment of the animals and on the chemical analysis of every sample tested by an independent lab.

They do sprey poor innocent kettle with pesticides and antibiotics, they do add animal products on chips, salad dressings (labeled vegeterian), glaze sauces, croutons.
check any website.
i didnt mean to insult but merely raise awareness, thanks for proving that you prefer ignorance

Ikiru

i wasnt sure about that tbh, i was in america recently as a part of my job (lab rat!)
the things i've seen would put you off, but its not up to me to discust everyone.
just inform you for all of your sake, McDonalds is not to be trusted if you ask me

tmc86

pbowenroe wrote: »

Would I be better off making my own burgers from mince at home?

Back on topic, yes you would be better off making your own at home.

Just make sure you buy quality Irish mince and either grill or pan fry(not much oil) add an egg and some onion and a bit of seasoning and you'll have tasty, healthier burgers.

corkcomp

nbrady20009 wrote: »

There is so much wrong with this post. I don't think any statement made is factually correct. And quite insulting to Irish beef producers as well. If you have no knowledge of agriculture or agri-business, don't make claims like that, because they are completely unsubstantiated.

+1. Also, pesticides are used on crops not on animals and as pointed out the beef used is 100% Irish. If you look at the nutritional breakdown of a McDonalds burger there insnt actually anything that bad in there, especially if on a bulk.

Making at home is great too, if time permitts! im pretty sure a home made burger will be higher in cals as i cant see anyone making them as think as Macy D's..

copeyhagen

if you made your own burgers at home, wouldnt you be way better off, as most mince has the fat content on the packet, god only knows what the fat content on the meat mcdonalds et al use for their burgers.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Ikiru wrote: »

well Mc Donalds burgers are wildly criticised inernationaly for teh poor quality of meat.

Any proof at all of this for us? McDonalds are the biggest fast food chain in the world, they didnt get there by producing poor quality meat.

Ikiru wrote: »

those animals are living in conditions you cannot imagine but thats not even the problem. they are injected with hormones and sprayed with pesticides and antibiotics to promote growth.

They're living in conditions that meet regulations, this might seem cruel or whatever but its nothing illegal. And dont for a second belief that the beef you buy in the supermarket comes from anywhere different, its not just fast food companies that mass produce meat, its a business at the end of the day.

Ikiru wrote: »

burgers are not even beef, there are documented parts of burger production where they mix in the product, cats, dogs and roadkill; useless parts of all meat product of the McDonalds chain.

I'm not even gonna bother replying to this one, if any fool believes this, good luck to them.

Ikiru wrote: »

on the other hand anyone who cooks knows that you cannot just grill some beef (no salt added) and have it being tasty, they add close to thousands of chemicals and additives to give that flavour, they also add animal products to the chips for better flavour

I dont understand what your getting at here, McDonalds previously used tallow to cook with, but so did just about every other chipper or fast food outlet, why? because its damn tasty! people cook at home with animal products, goose fat on your potatoes, beef dripping in your gravy, it enhances the flavour. It's not as if this was a big secret.

Ikiru wrote: »

i recomend you watch 'super size me' or 'food, inc.' eye openers!

Super size me is ridiculous! Spurlock put on weight because he ate too many calories per week, nothing else, it would of happened with any food if he ate in excess of recommended calorie intake.

Tom Naughton debunked Super size me in his very similar movie "Fat head" where he chose the exact same diet as Spurlock but didnt exceed the calorie intake suggested for his size and weight, Naughton actually lost weight to the amazement of doctors.

Food inc is good, plenty of scaremongering thou.

anyway, not trying to dis respect you, but your kinda mis-informing some people.

SteelyDanJalapeno

copeyhagen wrote: »

if you made your own burgers at home, wouldnt you be way better off, as most mince has the fat content on the packet, god only knows what the fat content on the meat mcdonalds et al use for their burgers.

fat is good,

billyhead

Fast food is ok when your on a bulk. It was a life saver for me. I went from 9.5 stone up to 13 stone while training at the same time and adopting a fast food diet with plenty of protein. I did gain a small bit of fat around the tummy mind you but I don't think I could have got so many calories for the bulk without adopting this diet.

Mellor

Ikiru wrote: »

well Mc Donalds burgers are wildly criticised inernationaly for teh poor quality of meat. those animals are living in conditions you cannot imagine but thats not even the problem. they are injected with hormones and sprayed with pesticides and antibiotics to promote growth.
burgers are not even beef, there are documented parts of burger production where they mix in the product, cats, dogs and roadkill; useless parts of all meat product of the McDonalds chain.

That's nonsense.

McDonald don't come to a country and set up farms and do as they please. They buy the meat from irish farmers. The same beef as the local chipper, or the supermarket where your granny shops.

Ikiru wrote: »

they import their meat and many other products and im not sure but i think because they are branded products they are not tested by eu authorities, could be wrong on this one though

You are wrong.

tmc86 wrote: »

Back on topic, yes you would be better off making your own at home.

Just make sure you buy quality Irish mince and either grill or pan fry(not much oil) add an egg and some onion and a bit of seasoning and you'll have tasty, healthier burgers.

Why would they be healthier. McDonalds burger is 100% irish beef. No binders, no seasoning. Plain beef. Just as good as the supermarket beef.

If you made a burger at home, to the same size an proportions a McDonalds. There wouldn't be any significant difference in nutritional value.
Even the egg you add is prob close enough to the calories and protein of beef to make little difference.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

ahh, it's great to read informed posts concerning McDonalds and fast food in some parts of boards at least.

except Ikiru, you've obviously drank the kool-aid.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

pbowenroe wrote: »

I am doing SS and trying to gain. Now and again I will go to supermacs, bring in a litre of milk and have it with two plain 5oz burgers. Would I be better off making my own burgers from mince at home?

well if you're bulking, it's all about the calories and protein content of the burgers. i don't know anythinjg about SuperMacs as I dont really like it but I live on Eddie Rockets Double take.

As a meal, it's great for bulking and it's a massive amount of protein (can't remember the grams off ahnd) and about 900 calories, give or take.

Mellor

georgiecasey wrote: »

well if you're bulking, it's all about the calories and protein content of the burgers. i don't know anythinjg about SuperMacs as I dont really like it but I live on Eddie Rockets Double take.

As a meal, it's great for bulking and it's a massive amount of protein (can't remember the grams off ahnd) and about 900 calories, give or take.

Sepermacs post their data on the website.
5oz burger is 585 cals and 35g protein (which is what you would expect from 5 oz of pure beef)

tmc86

Mellor wrote: »

Why would they be healthier. McDonalds burger is 100% irish beef. No binders, no seasoning. Plain beef. Just as good as the supermarket beef.

If you made a burger at home, to the same size an proportions a McDonalds. There wouldn't be any significant difference in nutritional value.
Even the egg you add is prob close enough to the calories and protein of beef to make little difference.

If you read my post correctly you would see I was refering to the OP in which the 5oz supermacs burger was mentioned, I wasn't referring to McDonalds.

As you said the plain 5oz is 585kcal but if you made your own with mince and a sesame bun and an egg it would come in at about 470kcal.

rubadub

tmc86 wrote: »

if you made your own with mince and a sesame bun and an egg it would come in at about 470kcal.

Depends on what mince you use, e.g. in supermarkets it can range from 2-30% fat. Also on the bun size, which pack massive amounts of calories, those superbundies are massive. The original poster is on a bulk too, so probably wants more calories.

McDs have all the info online

Beef Patty
100% Beef

Not even salt as Mellor mentioned.

We at McDonald's Ireland are committed to bringing you the best quality beef to enjoy in your McDonald's favourites, every time. All our beef is 100 per cent Irish. Our suppliers select only the best cuts of boneless meat, which are the forequarter and flank, for our beef burgers and use absolutely no fillers, binders or additives.

http://www.mcdonalds.ie/our-food/food-policies-animal-welfare.aspx

McDs are well aware of all they nonsense myths and bad rep they have. If I was to make a bet it would be that the McDs mince does not have additives and probably a better cut of beef than my local butchers.

Its weird that many people think of butchers as a brand, who are all beyond reproach. I know an ex-butcher who told me nasty stories of what was in their mince -this was in a local butchers I have heard many people describe as being good quality.

tmc86

rubadub wrote: »

Depends on what mince you use, e.g. in supermarkets it can range from 2-30% fat. Also on the bun size, which pack massive amounts of calories, those superbundies are massive. The original poster is on a bulk too, so probably wants more calories.

True the calories are important and some people may prefer the taste and the superbundies and it would be good for additional carbs but for me personally I would rather substitute the 100 calories from a larger size bun with a smaller bun and say an extra 100g of lean mince.

Doctor_Socks

All of this talk of McDonalds is really making me want to get a cows worth of double cheeseburgers from there now! Damn this gluten intolerance!

On a sidenote, absolutely nothing wrong with beef from McDonalds, same as what you'd get in any supermarket chain. It's all 100% Irish Beef, which is some of the highest quality beef you'll find in the world due to grass fed cattle and good farming practices. People give out about McDonalds making them fat and unhealthy, well they are eating more then they need too, hence why they get overweight!

Mellor

tmc86 wrote: »

If you read my post correctly you would see I was refering to the OP in which the 5oz supermacs burger was mentioned, I wasn't referring to McDonalds.

As you said the plain 5oz is 585kcal but if you made your own with mince and a sesame bun and an egg it would come in at about 470kcal.

Doesn't amtter who your refered to. you are still wrong.
McDonalds or Supermacs doesn't make a difference. Both are 100% irish beef.

If you make the same burger at home it will be the same calories. If won't be 470kcals. If you use less beef od bun or what ever its smaller not healthier

The OP wants the calories and the protein. The two burgers and milk he mentioned is prob 1800 cals. With 130g protein. He'll actually need carbs and fats in there to reach the calories.

Squeaksoutloud

How are the beef burgers cooked in McDonalds? Cooked in oil or just on a hot plate with no oil? Something I always wonder about when eating out at a place and eat a burger - are they usually fried in crappy oils or just heated up on a hot plate? I always ask for it to be cooked with no oils anyway.

Orla K

Squeaksoutloud wrote: »

How are the beef burgers cooked in McDonalds? Cooked in oil or just on a hot plate with no oil? Something I always wonder about when eating out at a place and eat a burger - are they usually fried in crappy oils or just heated up on a hot plate? I always ask for it to be cooked with no oils anyway.

I think in mcdonalds there're done between two hotplates, most chippers I've seen it's a hotplate kind of thing, never seen them adding oil but they might oil the hotplate, a light wipe kinda thing but I don't know.

Mellor

Orla K wrote: »

I think in mcdonalds there're done between two hotplates, most chippers I've seen it's a hotplate kind of thing, never seen them adding oil but they might oil the hotplate, a light wipe kinda thing but I don't know.

I've a gas hot plate on my balcony. And when I cook burgers (100% beef) I don't need oil. The fat content of the beef is plenty. A lot of it actually drains away.

Squeaksoutloud

Bunless burgers with salad are good to go so! Handy to have when you are out in somewhere in GBK or the like. No crappy vegetable oils!

GASMANN

Ikiru wrote: »

well Mc Donalds burgers are wildly criticised inernationaly for teh poor quality of meat. those animals are living in conditions you cannot imagine but thats not even the problem. they are injected with hormones and sprayed with pesticides and antibiotics to promote growth.
burgers are not even beef, there are documented parts of burger production where they mix in the product, cats, dogs and roadkill; useless parts of all meat product of the McDonalds chain.

on the other hand anyone who cooks knows that you cannot just grill some beef (no salt added) and have it being tasty, they add close to thousands of chemicals and additives to give that flavour, they also add animal products to the chips for better flavour

i recomend you watch 'super size me' or 'food, inc.' eye openers!

do they ave a roadkill farm/factory or what ? do they employ a driver for this ?