1958 evinrude fastwin restoration

fergal.b

As if I haven't enough on my plate I am going to restore this little baby



I started off doing a compression test and one cylinder was very low not a good start As it had been sitting in a barn for the last 30 years I decided to put a bit of WD40 in and let it sit over night hoping it was just stuck rings. I did the test again and was getting 125 psi on each

Bottom



Top




I had a look at the gear oil and of course it was half full of water:grrr: it had been sitting for so long it looked like you could drink the water if you held your nose




Next I took off the air breather to have a look at the carb :eek: It looks like some sort of spider lived in here, what a mess.



Even the carb was full of spider **** or what looks like sawdust.



Can things get worse, O yes they can. I checked for a spark and guess what...........none so out with the harmonic balancer and off with the flywheel.



think I found the problem.






Parts ordered carb rebuild kit,coils,condensers and points I also want to change it to a standard fuel tank from a pressurised one so I ordered a mikuni pulse pump the plan is to get the engine to run before I decide to carry on with the rest of the rebuild.

Pigeon Reaper

you really are a glutton for punishment.

whacker1982

hi again fergal b, where do you stick that hose for the compression test into on the outboard, im thinking of getting one from ebay just to have it in case i see a outboard for cheap.
what would you get away with regards to the compression like 150, or 100, instead of 125?

fergal.b

whacker1982 wrote: »

hi again fergal b, where do you stick that hose for the compression test into on the outboard, im thinking of getting one from ebay just to have it in case i see a outboard for cheap.
what would you get away with regards to the compression like 150, or 100, instead of 125?

It screws into the spark plug hole, you can also get them in any motor factors or halfords. The compression can change from engine to engine but the main thing to look for is that there is no more than 10% difference between each cylinder.

whacker1982

cool cool, thanks again fergal. b. nice outboard looking forward to seeing the progress.

fergal.b

Well I think I found why this engine was put away, the two condenser wires were worn down from the flywheel making them earth out.



After finding this I rebuilt the carb and put in the new electrics and then this happened " click the pic"



Now time for some sanding.

icedtea

Looks good fergal!

Any ideas what you're gonna run it on?

fergal.b

icedtea wrote: »

Looks good fergal!

Any ideas what you're gonna run it on?

Thanks, It will be going on a Pearly Miss http://mrlloydstebbings.hostinguk.org/brochure.aspx





.

Jim from Cork

Nice job!

Daibheid

That 's a real nice find and an easy fix! Nice to see your punt on it paying off so fast.
It really sounds very healthy

davlacey

whats the best way to get the fly wheel off mine is stuck solid

fergal.b

davlacey wrote: »

whats the best way to get the fly wheel off mine is stuck solid

You need a harmonic balancer puller that bolts into the 3 holes on the flywheel they have to be kept level and only use high strength bolts as you tighten the main bolt give it a few taps with a hammer and tighten again and so on, they are a bit hard to get off but it should come. Remember when you put it back on that you have the right torque setting for the nut.


You can pick up a set like this in Halfords just make sure you use OMC bolts to screw into the flywheel.

davlacey

are they exspensive? i might just get a mechanic to do it hopefully it will be a once off

fergal.b

davlacey wrote: »

are they exspensive? i might just get a mechanic to do it hopefully it will be a once off

They start from about €30 up to €100, if you are taking of the flywheel you might as well change the points,coils, and condensers, any mechanic should be able to take it off for you.

davlacey

i was just going to just clean the points. think getting all them parts would be tough its a chrysler engine

fergal.b

davlacey wrote: »

i was just going to just clean the points. think getting all them parts would be tough its a chrysler engine

Sorry I thought you were talking about an evinrude the chrysler flywheel may not have the 3 bolt holes depending on what model and year it is. If you want to give me the engine number I might be able to find parts , see what it's like when you get the wheel off in the mean time spray some WD40 around the shaft and wheel.

Daibheid

fergal.b wrote: »

You need a harmonic balancer puller

You might also add Fergal that you may need a flywheel holder. And you may because some of the torques applied are very very high. For example a Yamaha F100 - 190NM. Any attempt to open that with something jammed against the starter ring is probably going to end up with a welding job on the engine block or a bent crank shaft. The good news is you can often fabricate something to do the job especially if the flywheel is a three bolt puller job like Fergals.
The flywheels -often Merc/Mariner - that use a single large diameter threaded puller are more difficult and need the custom tools.

BTW be prepared to jump a foot into the air when the flywheel does release! If you can, leave the loosened flywheel nut in place to ensure the flywheel doesn't come right off and crash onto coils, pick-ups, points, carbs, feet, etc

fergal.b

Out with the old and in with the new, the new condensers are much lower than the old ones so they must have copped on to that problem .



Here you can see the old float next to the new one it mush have been dying of thirst the new needle valve now comes with a little clip on spring to stop it from sticking as the last one just relayed on gravity.



Rebuild kit fitted and a bit of a clean should be as good as new or even better.

fergal.b

All the parts after been vapor blasted by http://www.tadltd.ie/ they also do antifouling removal and have a mobile unit. The finish is dull and etched so it can get a good hold on the primer.

Daibheid

Did they forget to give you back the flywheel?

fergal.b

Daibheid wrote: »

Did they forget to give you back the flywheel?

Not at all the flywheel is aluminium so I will polish it up and make it nice and shiny

breghall

that is a fab looking little engine, can't wait to see it fully restored. What are you planning on using it on?

fergal.b

breghall wrote: »

What are you planning on using it on?

See page 1

breghall

fergal.b wrote: »

See page 1

should read more and not just look at the pics

fergal.b

Not that many of you will ever change an old outboard from a pressurised fuel tank to a standard one but if you do this is how to go about it.
When you remove the intake manifold you will see two rubber check valve that go into the each crankcase chamber these send positive air down to the fuel tank.



Remove the valves and block up one of the holes, I used a vacuum line cap and cut it long enough so that when I put the manifold back on it will be held in place.



The other hole will give you the right amount of pulse pressure to work one of these a "pulse pump" so now instead of the hose going to the tank you connect it to the pump and that should now send the fuel to the carb.

Tow

fergal.b wrote: »

Not that many of you will ever change an old outboard from a pressurised fuel tank to a standard one but if you do this is how to go about it.

Hi Fergal,

What are the advantages of converting the fuel system? Would it not be better keep an engine of that vintage as original as possible, even if it is a little more troublesome to use/maintain?

fergal.b

The danger with the pressurised tank and fuel lines are if you have even a very small leak it can pump out a very fine mist of fuel that is easy to ignite :eek:
Also it's very hard to find the old tin fuel tanks in good nick in Ireland as they rusted away

fergal.b

Would any of you nice guys have a hinge pin for the pull handle I can find a pack on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/OMC-Johnson-Evinrude-NOS-Hinge-Pin-Lot-Part-203468-/250755499016?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr&hash=item3a62314408#ht_544wt_1115 but they won't post


It's the one that goes in this hole. Thanks

fergal.b

Just some of the 27 different parts primed and painted. It will be getting new spark plugs:D










The hood has 3 colours and each one has to be fully dry before it can be masked for the next one at the moment it has the dark and light blue so just the white left to do on it along with the prop and one of the latches I will then add the decals and lacquer over it.

fergal.b

Time to put all the bits back together




What it did look like.















Still a bit more to do on the fuel system but this is more or less it

breghall

WOW ! Fergal take a bow , that turned out absolutely fabulous .... hope it runs ok for you now after all that work.

whacker1982

my hat is off to you once again fergal_b, superb job on the restoration, and everything you take on in the boating side of things.
isent it amazing what one can do when they put there mind to it.
but when are you going to finish off the decking??

moonshadow

Fab job Fergal,did Joe and Ben see it yet?

fergal.b

moonshadow wrote: »

Fab job Fergal,did Joe and Ben see it yet?

No not yet I'll wait till it's finished.

fergal.b

fergal.b wrote: »

Time to put all the bits back together




What it did look like.















Still a bit more to do on the fuel system but this is more or less it

I know this is a long shot but sure I'll ask anyway there is one more small part I need to get before I can start her up it's the woodruff key that goes between the flywheel and the crankshaft part number 120395 if anyone has one or knows where to get one that would be a great help
Thanks

Mech1

Great job there man!

I have a box of assorted woodruff keys if you wanna have a rummage through to see if you can find one suitable?

fergal.b

Mech1 wrote: »

Great job there man!

I have a box of assorted woodruff keys if you wanna have a rummage through to see if you can find one suitable?

Thanks for the offer, it has to be the exact same part as it's an odd shape that the groove in the shaft is cut at also it's imperial. If I'm stuck I might take you up on that and see if I can grind one down to fit.
Thanks again

Jack_regan

That looks fantastic, super job. Shame your missing the woodruff key. Hope one turns up for you. No doubt you'll find some way of getting her started.

fergal.b

Jack_regan wrote: »

That looks fantastic, super job. Shame your missing the woodruff key. Hope one turns up for you. No doubt you'll find some way of getting her started.

Thanks Jack, I found one here http://www.usavemarine.com/os/shopping_cart.php?osCsid=3ad0d1d8a548060842cfa8a8a1d2c25d for $5.80 Great I thought then I went to checkout :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

This is currently the only shipping method available to use on this order.

United Parcel Service (XML) (1 pkg x 1 lbs total)
$90.35 :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


.

Jack_regan

Oh my word? Surely that's a mistake, might be worth an email to see if there is an alternative method of delivery available. Hopefully one will come up closer to home. Was the woodruff key missing from the start of the restoration or was it damaged beyond repair?

This link might be worth a shot, could it be possible that the same woodruff key was used on a ride on lawnmower? Has the same number, well it has a different number that replaces the 120395, lawnboy607199.

http://www.partstree.com/parts/?lc=lawn_boy&mn=9300%2C+30%22+Rider%2C+1968+(SN+800000001-899999999)&dn=E008015-80150061-00019

Only $1.98 (wonder what the postage will be on that?)

fergal.b

Thanks for that I think it is the same one evinrude did make a lawnmower called "lawn-boy"

Hifive

I know this is a long shot but sure I'll ask anyway there is one more small part I need to get before I can start her up it's the woodruff key that goes between the flywheel and the crankshaft part number 120395 if anyone has one or knows where to get one that would be a great help
Thanks

Hey Fergal, bit late probably, knowing your propensity for getting things done! but I came across these keys today when rooting for something else and if your still stuck for a woodruff key for the Evinrude, I would be happy to post the lot up to you to see if one fits.
I'll be up that way in a few weeks and could use the excuse of collecting them too have a gander at the Crackerbox!
Mark.

fergal.b

Thanks Mark I have one on it's way but you are more than welcome to pop in and have a look at the crackerbox when ever your around.
Nice collection of keys:D

Hifive

fergal.b wrote: »

Thanks Mark I have one on it's way but you are more than welcome to pop in and have a look at the crackerbox when ever your around.
Nice collection of keys:D

Thanks fergal, I didn't really doubt ya:D

The in(out)laws are from Rush, so not too far away from you.
Next time I'm Up from Waterford I'll give you a call as I'd love to see the new boat and Sean Nos, and of course, the Fast Twin!
Also I may soon need that engine stand for my Searay 190 re-engine project.

Mark.

fergal.b

Hifive wrote: »

Thanks fergal, I didn't really doubt ya:D

The in(out)laws are from Rush, so not too far away from you.
Next time I'm Up from Waterford I'll give you a call as I'd love to see the new boat and Sean Nos, and of course, the Fast Twin!
Also I may soon need that engine stand for my Searay 190 re-engine project.

Mark.

No problem, hopefully I won't need the stand for a while.

fergal.b

She's not just a pretty face I still have a bit of fine tuning to but it's alive.

popeye53

fergal.b wrote: »

As if I haven't enough on my plate I am going to restore this little baby



I started off doing a compression test and one cylinder was very low not a good start As it had been sitting in a barn for the last 30 years I decided to put a bit of WD40 in and let it sit over night hoping it was just stuck rings. I did the test again and was getting 125 psi on each

Bottom



Top




I had a look at the gear oil and of course it was half full of water:grrr: it had been sitting for so long it looked like you could drink the water if you held your nose




Next I took off the air breather to have a look at the carb :eek: It looks like some sort of spider lived in here, what a mess.



Even the carb was full of spider **** or what looks like sawdust.



Can things get worse, O yes they can. I checked for a spark and guess what...........none so out with the harmonic balancer and off with the flywheel.



think I found the problem.






Parts ordered carb rebuild kit,coils,condensers and points I also want to change it to a standard fuel tank from a pressurised one so I ordered a mikuni pulse pump the plan is to get the engine to run before I decide to carry on with the rest of the rebuild.

Hi there great info. I have the same engine in similar condition. Where did you order your parts from?

Thx., Tim CANADA

popeye53

Parts Source?

fergal.b

popeye53 wrote: »

Parts Source?

Most of the engine parts you can still get from your local marine shop I used http://www.marineparts.ie/ for other parts,paint and decals I used http://www.nymarine.ca/ and a bit of shoping on ebay

deepsleep

Great job. I'm thinking of doing something similar on an evinrude 4 HP. Where did you get the parts?

fergal.b

deepsleep wrote: »

Great job. I'm thinking of doing something similar on an evinrude 4 HP. Where did you get the parts?

See post above

What year is your engine.