C.I.D.???

lennyloulou

Wonder if anyone could help me please....
1 yr covering an extended maternity leave ( Sept-June), then 2 years RPT contract ( am currently in my 2nd year RPT ).... in the same VEC system.

On their records I am into my 3rd year towards my CID???
Could this be right.... I am not complaining or saying anything!!! However does an extended maternity leave count towards my CID???

UnLuckyAgain

lennyloulou wrote: »

Wonder if anyone could help me please....
1 yr covering an extended maternity leave ( Sept-June), then 2 years RPT contract ( am currently in my 2nd year RPT ).... in the same VEC system.

On their records I am into my 3rd year towards my CID???
Could this be right.... I am not complaining or saying anything!!! However does an extended maternity leave count towards my CID???

Yes, maternity cover can be counted as year one provided that you are given a contract for hours for the next year (your own hours). If I remember correctly, as long as year 3 and 4 are successive contracts of your own hours, you are entitled to a CID.

solerina

Yes, you are in year 3...we had 3 people get CIDs where their first year was a year long maternity leave....

lennyloulou

many thanks... i really appreciate that info... do the school have to keep me now for 4th year....? rumour has it that 2-3 teachers will be cut... am 2nd last in....

rainbowtrout

lennyloulou wrote: »

many thanks... i really appreciate that info... do the school have to keep me now for 4th year....? rumour has it that 2-3 teachers will be cut... am 2nd last in....

No, they don't unfortunately - you don't have any protection as such until your four years are done. If they have to cut staff this year, they can do it in two ways. Cut hours from all part time staff (may not be possible due to teachers' subject combinations, seniority etc) or just cut a number of teachers.

If you have a subject that no one else can teach you may be safe, but if you have something that a permanent staff member could be given with some juggling on the timetable, then you don't have much leeway.

If someone else started after you with the same subjects then you should be kept on.

linguist

It seems to me that there are two categories of teacher who are most at risk when the allocation goes down.

The first group are those who teach specialist options to low numbers of senior students where a decision may be made to discontinue the subject. The teaching unions often point to Physics, Chemistry, Economics and German as subjects which have been affected in recent years.

The second category would be teachers of major subjects such as English (i.e. English/History combination) where a decision may be made to reduce the number of teaching groups in senior cycle or maybe change the options arrangements at junior cycle. There are schools where students do only one of History and Geography at Junior Cert for example - not that I regard that as a rounded education.

This year, the change to Guidance and the DES circular calling on schools to look at a whole staff approach to aspects of Guidance provision means that Guidance counsellors could be back in the classroom for a few hours. Do the counsellors in your school teach your subject(s)?

If you're teaching a mainstream subject to 30 kids right the way up the school, they're unlikely to manage without you I'd have thought. Anyone else know better?

gaeilgebeo

linguist wrote: »

It seems to me that there are two categories of teacher who are most at risk when the allocation goes down.

The first group are those who teach specialist options to low numbers of senior students where a decision may be made to discontinue the subject. The teaching unions often point to Physics, Chemistry, Economics and German as subjects which have been affected in recent years.

The second category would be teachers of major subjects such as English (i.e. English/History combination) where a decision may be made to reduce the number of teaching groups in senior cycle or maybe change the options arrangements at junior cycle. There are schools where students do only one of History and Geography at Junior Cert for example - not that I regard that as a rounded education.

This year, the change to Guidance and the DES circular calling on schools to look at a whole staff approach to aspects of Guidance provision means that Guidance counsellors could be back in the classroom for a few hours. Do the counsellors in your school teach your subject(s)?

If you're teaching a mainstream subject to 30 kids right the way up the school, they're unlikely to manage without you I'd have thought. Anyone else know better?

Well I'll give you an example from my own school.
You are not permanent but have been teaching English to a class group from 1rst year right up to 3rd. The learning support hours have been cut and said teacher has to go back into mainstream classes for 8 hours. That teacher can now teach said class.
There are 5 teachers on a maths line. 2 higher level classes, 2 Ordinary Level and one Foundation. Stick the foundation in with the 4th stream and cut your teachers on the line to 4. This is happening in a lot of schools.

linguist

Can't disagree with that gaeilgebeo...the learning support issue is very much a live one too.

lennyloulou

many thanks for that advice

peteacher

Sorry if this has been covered already but if I have had concessionary hours (22 hours) each year do they count as going towards a CID?

franktennis

Yes they should. I had concessionary hours for 3 years(18 hours per year) and didn't get anymore. Short story is that I was teaching Maths for 3 years and then nothing. It has nothing to do with subject combination. If a principal wants to keep you then will otherwise you get the boot. The worst thing about mine is that he hired 2 new Maths teachers and gave them 2 hours of Geography with 16 hours Maths. I don't have Geography as my second subject so the schools needs will always come first.