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Joan Burton's Pathways to Work programme and the BTEA?

  • 28-02-2012 6:19pm
    #1
    runswithascript
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    Does anybody know if someone inducted into the new Pathways to Work programme will lose their eligibility for the BTEA?

    Say it's approaching the time a course is about to begin and one is called before the programme, will they have to forgo it?

    Barry Cowen mentioned it last night on RTE's Frontline but I cannot really make out what he was saying although it sounded like he was saying:
    There's no clarity on.... ...is the joined up thinking between the Department of Education? Yes there is, the Back to Education Allowance has been lost.

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#!v=1137990


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  • #2
    Bullseye1
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    The governments pathway to jobs should be renamed "Planes and boats" to jobs.


  • #3
    cee_jay
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    Pathways to Work is separate to BTEA - Pathways to Work is a policy and is about client activation and targeting engagement programmes to particular groups.
    BTEA is different, in that it is a Social Welfare Scheme.


  • #4
    runswithascript
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    cee_jay wrote: »
    Pathways to Work is separate to BTEA - Pathways to Work is a policy and is about client activation and targeting engagement programmes to particular groups.
    BTEA is different, in that it is a Social Welfare Scheme.

    I am aware BTEA is separate to Pathways to Work - my question is can one affect the other.

    Perhaps someone about to start a degree in a month's time will be a year unemployed by then and called before Pathways to Work - could they be forced into a dead end job or course instead forgoing their eligibility for BTEA?


  • #5
    cee_jay
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    Pathways to Work isn't about forcing people into dead end jobs.
    It is engaging with customers of the Department to try to identify any training needs they may have in order to make them more employable, assist with job matching etc.
    If someone has applied for BTEA, that is upskilling, and part of the objective of Pathways to Work, so I can't see someone losing their eligibility for BTEA, however, how this Patways to Work will be rolled out is yet unknown.
    From the Pathways to Work policy statement though:
    The Department of Social Protection is committed to supporting over 85,000
    beneficiaries of job placement, work experience and back to education schemes
    in 2012 as indicated in Table 3.


  • #6
    runswithascript
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    cee_jay wrote: »
    Pathways to Work isn't about forcing people into dead end jobs.
    It is engaging with customers of the Department to try to identify any training needs they may have in order to make them more employable, assist with job matching etc.
    If someone has applied for BTEA, that is upskilling, and part of the objective of Pathways to Work, so I can't see someone losing their eligibility for BTEA, however, how this Patways to Work will be rolled out is yet unknown.
    From the Pathways to Work policy statement though:

    Sounds good.

    I just hope I will not be approached and forced to take a dead end job or course making me ineligible for BTEA because they deem the time until my degree starts as too far away.

    The minister left a lot of questioned unanswered at the debate last night and I laughed when somebody raised the point that she is expecting the same people at the Department of Social Protection who were previously losing us 600 million a year to do all this extra work.


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  • #7
    paddy147
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    Is this the same scheme that is being called/labled as SLAVERY over in the UK???


  • #8
    runswithascript
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    paddy147 wrote: »
    Is this the same scheme that is being called/labled as SLAVERY over in the UK???

    Hmmm?


  • #9
    paddy147
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    dusf wrote: »
    Hmmm?

    You obviously dont be watching ITV News,BBC News,or Sky News then??

    Theres war going on over in England with a goverment employment/training scheme that basicly amounts to modern day slavery,and alot of major Uk companies are pulling out of it now.


  • #10
    runswithascript
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭runswithascript


    paddy147 wrote: »
    You obviously dont be watching ITV News,BBC News,or Sky News then??

    I do not own a television so I get my TV news from RTE's website. I used to get C4 news and Newsnight that way too, but considering you can never get it live, and they would take up an hour or more of my time, Irish news is the priority.
    paddy147 wrote: »
    Theres war going on over in England with a goverment employment/training scheme that basicly amounts to modern day slavery,and alot of major Uk companies are pulling out of it now.

    Ah, I see.


  • #11
    Readyhed
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    dusf wrote: »
    I just hope I will not be approached and forced to take a dead end job or course making me ineligible for BTEA because they deem the time until my degree starts as too far away.

    There seems to be an urban myth going around that unemployed people will, en masse, be forced to fill shelves in Tescos as a condition for the continued receipt of their JA/JSB.

    I recently attended a Group Engagement Session with Fas/Social Protection and a representative of the latter made it perfectly clear that
    no one is being forced to work "for free" or to take up jobs for which they are not suited.

    Their objective is to ensure that everyone on the dole is trying something to find a job. Equally, however, they are fully aware that there is a chronic shortage of work and all the effort in the world won't get you a job if none exists. They just can't say that openly.

    The impression I get is that the Politicians come up with grandious fancy named schemes that grab the headlines and leave the practical implementation of these to the Civil Servants who know they are pointless exercises in "peeing into the wind". Nevertheless they have to go through the motions of being seen to implement the "Scheme","Program", "Plan" or
    (the latest buzzword) "Initiative".

    The fashionable term nowadays is "Engagement". Put simply, this means "co-operate"
    or at least be seen to "Engage" with us. "Play the word games and we will tick a box saying you are "Engaging". Buck the system and we will come down on you.

    If you are on a BTEA scheme or even on the list for one then you will be seen as engaging and thats it. Then they will move on to "Johnny the Mouth" who thinks it is a good
    idea to tell them that BTEA, Jobridge etc., are all just a waste of time cos there are no jobs out there.


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  • #12
    runswithascript
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭runswithascript


    Readyhed wrote: »
    If you are on a BTEA scheme or even on the list for one then you will be seen as engaging and thats it. Then they will move on to "Johnny the Mouth" who thinks it is a good
    idea to tell them that BTEA, Jobridge etc., are all just a waste of time cos there are no jobs out there.

    Thanks, concerns alleviated, at least for the most part.

    I can not actually send in my BTEA form until the course offers come out in and around August 23, but this new scheme will take awhile anyway, right?

    I am actively seeking part time work, as if I work full time I will definitely not be entitled to BTEA and I can forget about a University education.


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