Boston Bob - Neptune/Bertie Bartlett

kfallon

Does anyone know if Boston Bob were to run in the Albert Bartlett would he have to carry a Grade 1 penalty?

Winning Ways Racing

As it's a grade 1, there are no penalties.

kfallon

I thought it was a Grade 2?

When did they upgrade it cos it def used to be a Grade 2!

kfallon

To answer my own question it's been Grade 1 for the last 4 runnings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa_Novices'_Hurdle

Winning Ways Racing

Albert Bartlett Novices' Hurdle (Registered As The Spa Novices' Hurdle Race) Grade 1

I think it started as a grade 2 four or five years ago but they quickly moved it to grade 1

TheMilkyPirate

Which is he more likely to run in? Because if it's the Albert Bartlett surely he's a very good bet at 4/1?

mccarte2

baraca wrote: »

Which is he more likely to run in? Because if it's the Albert Bartlett surely he's a very good bet at 4/1?

If you look through the preview nights thread it's mentioned that Nicholls was talking to Wylie about Prospect Wells and Wylie said which race he'd prefer BB to run in. I can't remember which though.

Edit - found it

NEPTUNE INVESTMENTS NEPTUNE HURDLE
PN: I was discussing running plans for Prospect Wells with Graham Wylie and he told me Boston Bob is likely to run here.

kfallon

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/12/02/29/RACING_Wylie.html&BID=465

sting60

If ground is to ride soft or worse my banker of Cheltenham runs in the Albert Bartlett ,Brindisi Breeze.Im watching the weather snow promised next Sunday with scattered showers the following week but it drys well at Cheltenham.Its very close now and some of my anti post bets are already gone but my two big bets still stand,Medermit and Batonnier.

Huntley

sting60 wrote: »

some of my anti post bets are already gone but my two big bets still stand,Medermit and Batonnier.

17 days ago you posted the following.

"DO NOT ,have any bet until the day.U are a fool like everyone else bar the bookies.Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease wait.Im not so sure about ,the stayers,Champion hurdle,Gold Cup, all three favs will not win.I think ,layed Big Bucks wont win to 7,000e.Hurricane fly lay 4,570e, Long Run lay 8,5750e .I think my nap is Big Bucks not to to win [.GET ON]"

Which you later edited to this.

"DO NOT ,have any bet until the day."

So, are you "a fool like everyone else" or why the drastic change of heart?

sting60

Huntley wrote: »

17 days ago you posted the following.

"DO NOT ,have any bet until the day.U are a fool like everyone else bar the bookies.Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease wait.Im not so sure about ,the stayers,Champion hurdle,Gold Cup, all three favs will not win.I think ,layed Big Bucks wont win to 7,000e.Hurricane fly lay 4,570e, Long Run lay 8,5750e .I think my nap is Big Bucks not to to win [.GET ON]"

Which you later edited to this.

"DO NOT ,have any bet until the day."

So, are you "a fool like everyone else" or why the drastic change of heart?

That post was corrected by me as I did not post it.It was posted by friends of mine over in my house for the cancelled rugby game as I stated.Looking at one of your posts you are questioning a top trainer, enough said about you.

Huntley

sting60 wrote: »

That post was corrected by me as I did not post it.It was posted by friends of mine over in my house for the cancelled rugby game as I stated.Looking at one of your posts you are questioning a top trainer, enough said about you.

You clarified that previously, then you personally edited it to "DO NOT ,have any bet until the day". That suggests you are not in favour of ante-post bets to me, which is why I asked why you had a change of tune.

Re: McCain. Yes I questioned his take on Peddlers performance at Kempton. That trainer who was so sure his horse was definitely wrong when being beat is now contemplating even letting PC take his chance in the Arkle. What does that say?

No need to get so defensive though, we could bring up your inability to read basic raceform if you want to go down that avenue.

On topic, I think Fingal Bays deflection has opened the door for BB to take his chance in the Neptune.

sting60

Huntley wrote: »

You clarified that previously, then you personally edited it to "DO NOT ,have any bet until the day". That suggests you are not in favour of ante-post bets to me, which is why I asked why you had a change of tune.

Re: McCain. Yes I questioned his take on Peddlers performance at Kempton. That trainer who was so sure his horse was definitely wrong when being beat is now contemplating even letting PC take his chance in the Arkle. What does that say?

No need to get so defensive though, we could bring up your inability to read basic raceform if you want to go down that avenue.

On topic, I think Fingal Bays deflection has opened the door for BB to take his chance in the Neptune.

I will never run down any persons point of view as you have done with other posters.Can I challenge you and your knowledge to a test at Cheltenham.Win only every race at winning odds.At the end the winner gets a serious groveling by the loser. In the summer I will make an invite to watch the tour de France from my house in Adast,Argelest Gazost which the bookmakers bought.

premierstone

sting60 wrote: »

I will never run down any persons point of view as you have done with other posters.Can I challenge you and your knowledge to a test at Cheltenham.Win only every race at winning odds.At the end the winner gets a serious groveling by the loser. In the summer I will make an invite to watch the tour de France from my house in Adast,Argelest Gazost which the bookmakers bought.

Best to ignore him sting, he has some complex where he needs to insult others to feed hes own ego, he'll through a hissy fit and close he's account soon enough He wont accept your challenge either like he refused to price up the Arkle when I asked him, all talk no trousers!

Huntley

sting60 wrote: »

I will never run down any persons point of view as you have done with other posters.

Firstly, I must state that I never ran down your opinion in this thread, I asked you a question. You need to check your previous posts though, you threw a wobbly a few weeks back over a coursing comment.

The reason it may seem I run down people's opinions is because I have little time for idiocy.

I will have plenty of respect for an opinion if it is well reasoned. Only yesterday mccarte2 put forward an angle on the Arkle which I understood and accepted. I didn't need to "run down" his opinion because he put forward a well reasoned response, which should be standard for every post on this forum.

sting60 wrote: »

Can I challenge you and your knowledge to a test at Cheltenham.Win only every race at winning odds.At the end the winner gets a serious groveling by the loser.

I'm not overly enticed by a "serious grovelling" but would be willing to partake should there be a cash incentive. My PM address is always open should you wish to discuss this further.

Furthermore, I will be posting all my fancies in my log. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056560001

You are more then welcome to question/ridicule/observe my selections there.

sting60 wrote: »

from my house in Adast,Argelest Gazost which the bookmakers bought.

I wish I knew bookmakers as generous as that. Was that one of Paddy Power's famous specials? "If your horse finishes second we will buy you a house in France"

premierstone wrote: »

Best to ignore him sting, he has some complex where he needs to insult others to feed hes own ego, he'll through a hissy fit and close he's account soon enough He wont accept your challenge either like he refused to price up the Arkle when I asked him, all talk no trousers!

Forgive the delay in response, it took me the best part of two minutes to comprehend your first sentence.

I refused to price up the Arkle for you because you refused to back up your initial comment, which I requested on two occasions.

Simply suggesting something without supporting it isn't productive, and personally I would rather have a discussion with a box of chalk.

sting60

Will you take my challenge.

ft9

sting60 wrote: »

Will you take my challenge.

He said he would for money, not for a bitching session.

TheMilkyPirate

mccarte2 wrote: »

If you look through the preview nights thread it's mentioned that Nicholls was talking to Wylie about Prospect Wells and Wylie said which race he'd prefer BB to run in. I can't remember which though.

Edit - found it

NEPTUNE INVESTMENTS NEPTUNE HURDLE
PN: I was discussing running plans for Prospect Wells with Graham Wylie and he told me Boston Bob is likely to run here.

Thanks mccarte!

Huntley

sting60 wrote: »

Will you take my challenge.

I will take you up on your "challenge" should there be a cash incentive.

There is certain races I do not get involved in as I don't find them particularly good betting propositions. If you want me to enter into the form books again at this busy time it will have to be worth my while doing so.

If you wouldn't mind I suggest responding through PM to discuss figures as I don't want to intentionally drag another thread off topic.

mdwexford

sting60 wrote: »

In the summer I will make an invite to watch the tour de France from my house in Adast,Argelest Gazost which the bookmakers bought.

Yet more comedy from Sting. B+ trolling this year.

premierstone

Huntley wrote: »

Forgive the delay in response, it took me the best part of two minutes to comprehend your first sentence.

I refused to price up the Arkle for you because you refused to back up your initial comment, which I requested on two occasions.

Simply suggesting something without supporting it isn't productive, and personally I would rather have a discussion with a box of chalk.

No problem with the delay, you do strike me as someone who is a little slow on the uptake, apology accepted.

You refused to price up the Arkle because you realised you were talking complete and utter drivel.

I have have given you numerous reasons as to why Peddlars Cross deserves to be second favourite in the antepost thread and am not in a habit of repeating myself for those with a less than perfect memory, although you dont seem to have any problem finding quotes when trying to ridicule others.

Dont ever go into the bookmaking trade because if you offer over 10/1 on Peddlars in the Arkle you will be out of bussiness in two weeks time on the place money alone, and if anything were to go amiss with Sprinter you would make Rangers FC look financialy secure!

Huntley

premierstone wrote: »

No problem with the delay, you do strike me as someone who is a little slow on the uptake, apology accepted.

I am certainly slow on the uptake when dealing with sentences as concise as a Junior Infants.

premierstone wrote: »

You refused to price up the Arkle because you realised you were talking complete and utter drivel.

I refused to price up the Arkle for you because you failed to provide a reason when you suggested my opinion was "absurd". I requested a reason from you on two occasions which you did not have the courtesy to provide, so I took a similar stance when you requested something of me.

premierstone wrote: »

I have have given you numerous reasons as to why Peddlars Cross deserves to be second favourite in the antepost thread and am not in a habit of repeating myself for those with a less than perfect memory,

I don't think it has anything to do with memory. I tend to skim over the garbage posts which seems a very plausible reason as to why I never spotted these "numerous reasons".

premierstone wrote: »

although you dont seem to have any problem finding quotes when trying to ridicule others.

I don't intentionally set about to ridicule people. When I see something without a reasoned response I question the logic behind it, and when people can't support their case they resort to suggestions that I am arrogant, etc. You tend to fall into this category more than others.

premierstone wrote: »

Dont ever go into the bookmaking trade because if you offer over 10/1 on Peddlars in the Arkle you will be out of bussiness in two weeks time on the place money alone, and if anything were to go amiss with Sprinter you would make Rangers FC look financialy secure!

I still stand by my view that Peddlers Cross should be double figures for the Arkle. I am still waiting for your reasoned response to back up your claim that that is "absurd". Bookmaking advice and a poor joke about a corporation's finances doesn't classify as a reasoned response to me.

Another thread has been dragged needlessly off topic so if you don't want to cooperate with my request then I see no reason to continue discoursing with you.

Colonel Sanders

Lyreen Legend wins a G2 at Thurles. Nice boost for Boston Bob's form

premierstone

Huntley wrote: »

I don't intentionally set about to ridicule people.

Well you just have a natural flair for it then I guess

Anyway I will just put you on the ignore list untill you have your next hissy fit and decide to close your account again

Huntley

Huntley wrote: »

When I see something without a reasoned response I question the logic behind it, and when people can't support their case they resort to suggestions that I am arrogant, etc. You tend to fall into this category more than others.

You couldn't have supplied a better example with your recent post.

premierstone wrote: »

Well you just have a natural flair for it then I guess

Anyway I will just put you on the ignore list untill you have your next hissy fit and decide to close your account again

Just put me on the ignore list until you have something productive to add to a discussion.

klairondavis

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Lyreen Legend wins a G2 at Thurles. Nice boost for Boston Bob's form

Not to forget Monksland who beat Lyreen Legend pointless at Naas

hucklebuck

Anyway back to Boston Bob

Ruby and Mullins seemed to really fancy him, Ruby advised to back him wherever he runs and Mullins thinks he is special.

premierstone

hucklebuck wrote: »

Anyway back to Boston Bob

Ruby and Mullins seemed to really fancy him, Ruby advised to back him wherever he runs and Mullins thinks he is special.

Will surely be the Neptune now with Fingal Bay a non runner, the head of the market is very strange for this though as neither of the front two are confirmed for this race.

hucklebuck

premierstone wrote: »

Will surely be the Neptune now with Fingal Bay a non runner, the head of the market is very strange for this though as neither of the front two are confirmed for this race.

They want to keep Boston and Sous La Cieux apart though, B365 are no runner no bet.

I have nearly everything discussed at the Westmanstown preview in a new thread, loads in it.

ste2010

hucklebuck wrote: »

premierstone wrote: »

Will surely be the Neptune now with Fingal Bay a non runner, the head of the market is very strange for this though as neither of the front two are confirmed for this race.

They want to keep Boston and Sous La Cieux apart though, B365 are no runner no bet.

I have nearly everything discussed at the Westmanstown preview in a new thread, loads in it.

Having backed sous les cieux in te supreme on the back of Ted walsh "sous les cieux in the supreme" I would be rather disappointed if he didn't take his entry in the supreme now.
I also see allure of illusion is going for the supreme from the westman pre view night..do you think this will have any influence on SLC's participation in the race considering thu are from te same owner?.. Either way the fact they are trying to Keep boston bob and SLC away from each other must reflect how they rate the chances both have

convert

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Gerlad

Willie Mullins stable tour on Racing Post TV:
He said Boston Bob's preferred target is the Neptune - said he would weigh up the others and decide then but you can take it, its the neptune.

Cut into 5/2 from 7/2 with most firms.

Huntley

Rock solid for the Albert Bartlett now.

jimjamcos

Huntley wrote: »

Rock solid for the Albert Bartlett now.

Why is this?

Wishful Thinking

Huntley wrote: »

Rock solid for the Albert Bartlett now.

Looks like Albert Bartlett, Jonathan Mullins on twitter says Patrick Mullins practically confirmed it at Cheltenham preview night

@_ fearanphoist

Huntley

The exchanges tell their own story.

Sammo13

Looks like Sous Les Cieux for the Neptune and Boston Bob for the Albert.
Sous Les Cieux 10/1 and BB 5/1 on Betfair for neptune, 3's for Albert.

Pity if he goes for Albert, like to see BB, Simonsig and Monksland go at it..

mdwexford

Back in my day there was no pussy out Albert Bartlett option

kiers47

Huntley wrote: »

Rock solid for the Albert Bartlett now.

Bad for me huntey i have him laid for this as i figured the jewson was the plan. I think i laid at around 6 or something. ****IT!! Oh well onwards and upwards.

Rhinestone Cowboy

Paul Nicholls is quoted from one of previews as saying that he was discussing plans for Prospect Wells with Wylie and he said Boston Bob was going for Neptune but with Mullins the exchanges probably do tell the story.

limestone lad

bob runs in albert, get your doubles on with simon in neptunes lads

Colonel Sanders

I was hoping BB would run in the 3m race, I think we've found my festival banker

Still further evidence that 4 days waters down the quality of the festival. I'd like to have seen Bobs Worth go in the Neptune last year

ste2010

limestone lad wrote: »

bob runs in albert, get your doubles on with simon in neptunes lads

Is that 100%?

kfallon

I thought Ruby might lean a bit on Willie to run SLC in the Supreme cos if Midnight Club runs Ruby could possibly be left without a decent ride for the race. Russell would (possibly) be on Midnight Club and Nicholls has nothing else really in the race. I'm sure somebody would snap Ruby up but it would only be a spare ride.

Anyway I backed BB for the Neptune, that's my money gone by the looks of things. Never try to second guess W P Mullins

RichieLawlor

kfallon wrote: »

I thought Ruby might lean a bit on Willie to run SLC in the Supreme cos if Midnight Club runs Ruby could possibly be left without a decent ride for the race. Russell would (possibly) be on Midnight Club and Nicholls has nothing else really in the race. I'm sure somebody would snap Ruby up but it would only be a spare ride.

Anyway I backed BB for the Neptune, that's my money gone by the looks of things. Never try to second guess W P Mullins

I hate to be pedantic but The Midnight Club is no novice hurdler.

Ted Walsh said at a few previews that Soux Le Cieux in the supreme was his festival tip at the prices. Surely he would have heard something from Rupert

Getoffmytrain

ste2010 wrote: »

Is that 100%?

PW: the boss won't decide til late but I think Albert Bartlett the race for Boston Bob.

That's what was posted last night from the Cheltenham preview. It doesn't sound like it's definite yet.
Still the money indicates it's a done deal.

Nulty

the only thing I know Russell will be riding with a name like that is Midnight Game and he is a novice hurdler

ste2010

RichieLawlor wrote: »

kfallon wrote: »

I thought Ruby might lean a bit on Willie to run SLC in the Supreme cos if Midnight Club runs Ruby could possibly be left without a decent ride for the race. Russell would (possibly) be on Midnight Club and Nicholls has nothing else really in the race. I'm sure somebody would snap Ruby up but it would only be a spare ride.

Anyway I backed BB for the Neptune, that's my money gone by the looks of things. Never try to second guess W P Mullins

I hate to be pedantic but The Midnight Club is no novice hurdler.

Ted Walsh said at a few previews that Soux Le Cieux in the supreme was his festival tip at the prices. Surely he would have heard something from Rupert

I fupping hope so this is where my money has gone...

mdwexford

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I was hoping BB would run in the 3m race, I think we've found my festival banker

Still further evidence that 4 days waters down the quality of the festival. I'd like to have seen Bobs Worth go in the Neptune last year

You not worried about faster ground with him?

Getoffmytrain

Ruby on Neptune: "I rode BB this morn and he worked really well. Not sure where he goes though. I was disappointed w/ Simonsig at S'down"
"You could make a case for Batonnier but he's skimpy value. I'll be riding BB or Sous Les Cieux and both have a good chance"

Ruby on Al Bartlett: "Wherever Boston Bob goes, he's the best novice hurdler I have to ride". 5/2 NRNB

From the paddy power interview just now.

hucklebuck

kfallon wrote: »

I thought Ruby might lean a bit on Willie to run SLC in the Supreme cos if Midnight Club runs Ruby could possibly be left without a decent ride for the race. Russell would (possibly) be on Midnight Club and Nicholls has nothing else really in the race. I'm sure somebody would snap Ruby up but it would only be a spare ride.

If Davy goes for Trifolium, Ruby would surely get Midnight Game, either way I would be happy