The Truth About Exercise

DogSlySmile

Horizon BBC2 tonight at 9.
Looks like an interesting watch. Dr Michael Mosely takes a look at how doing 3 minutes of exercise a week (HIT) can improve your aerobic endurance.

Also what might be interesting is the bit about 'super-responders' and 'non-responders'. Apparently non-responders are people who wont imporve aerobically no matter how much training they do :eek:

More here

ThisRegard

Thanks for the reminder, read about it over the weekend and completely forgot about it since.

dna_leri

Should be interesting alright.
So 20% of people can correctly say "exercise does not work for me".

Also the one study done that identified the "non-responders" phenomenon was not using HIT.

Would also be interesting to see if High Intensity Exercise has any downsides, such as increased injury risk.

Will watch and see if these points are addressed although I hate sensationally titled TV programs. :rolleyes:

DogSlySmile

Pfff! I just tried to set this up to record and its not listed! Available on the iplayer though.

ThisRegard

Yeah, it appears it's on BBC HD tonight but on BBC2 NI 11.20pm Thursday.

metamagical

Hmmmm. Isn't HIT, or whatever they're calling it, just interval training - i.e. something that's been known for decades to improve aerobic capacity? Yes, the intervals are very short, but the principle's the same.

I groan because, despite the scientific support, this seems like another ill-considered "get fit without trying" regime.

Slogger Jogger

Fascinating and thought provoking. Not good to be stuck to a desk most of the day thats for sure.

Deego01

I don't know about that chap with the "fidget" pants though. He's seems to be saying that rest is counter-productive, that when you rest fat starts to pool in your system. He seemed to have taken his own study quite seriously, what with the jerky arm and head movements and everything.

mike.l

would love to get that gene test.... reckon I'm a non responder!

TFBubendorfer

*yawn*

How often will they cook up that same old tired story again?

BobMac104

he did 12 min excersise (albeit intense) for a month and they atributed his lack of improvement in VO2max to his genetics/?

mike.l

BobMac104 wrote: »

he did 12 min excersise (albeit intense) for a month and they atributed his lack of improvement in VO2max to his genetics/?

So you are implying that they are disingenuous in their claims that some people do get big improvements in VO2 max with such little time spent exercising?

PaulieC

BobMac104 wrote: »

he did 12 min excersise (albeit intense) for a month and they atributed his lack of improvement in VO2max to his genetics/?

That's an interesting way of looking at what actually happened. :rolleyes:

BobMac104

I admit i am skeptical. I would like to read the full manuscript though as we are given no actual figures on anything. How much better would a super responder actually increase in VO2 max in responce to this training etc. Would the person have to be leading a sedentary lifestyle to see these increases or would a person partaking in regular exercise also see increases if this type of training was integrated into their own training.

but overall my problem is that it gives people another excuse not to be active "oh i have the bad fitness gene so there is no point really". I can imagine this sort of training is only going to be anyway effective if its done flat out for the designated time. I cant see people who couldnt be arsed going for a walk a few times a week giving it 100% while doing it. I wonder did they investigate the dangers of sudden stress like this also on the heart and also on the muscles. you're not going to be warmed up really when you start the session so wouldnt their be a danger of pulling something?

anyway each to his own. I think overall the more we look for the quick fix and the more we are going to continue to see health problems increase the way they are.

nerraw1111

Reminder this is on bbc2 at 11.20pm tonight

bart simpson

the thing i got from it was that maybe the strides that i sometimes do during recovery and easy runs might have a good bit more benefit than i thought

ManwitaPlan

Didnt see this but it seems the main conclusion is that V02 max is laregly genetically determined and difficult to increase????

Has'nt this been established decades ago?

All it means is that a Seb Coe or Steve Prefontaine are born with very high VO2 maxs which contributes to their incredible ability, while average Joe may never be able to run a mile in 3.56.

Its vV02max (the speed you run at your vo2 max) and LT that count and these can be improved massively by training by *everybody*.

Seems like another excuse for people to bitch about genetics.

Go out, run 10 miles, run 11 next week and over 8 years build up to 100 miles a week with intense workouts. If your still running 25 minute 5ks then bitch about genetics!

corny

ManwitaPlan wrote: »

Its vV02max (the speed you run at your vo2 max) and LT that count and these can be improved massively by training by *everybody*.

VO2 max in isolation is actually a poor predictor of running performance. There are myriad factors which contribute to a good runner and most of them can be improved massively with disciplined training.

Easy to get caught up in this VO2 max business but we don't run to improve VO2 max we run to find the limits of our running abilities and the vast majority of us never get close!

walshb

That was a Horizon special, yes? One of the best programmes on tv is Horizon. Saw clips of it the other day.

walshb

corny wrote: »

VO2 max in isolation is actually a poor predictor of running performance. There are myriad factors which contribute to a good runner and most of them can be improved massively with disciplined training.

Easy to get caught up in this VO2 max business but we don't run to improve VO2 max we run to find the limits of our running abilities and the vast majority of us never get close!

I know cyclists are famous for their amazing VO2 readings, with Indurain and LeMond above 90 I believe; but are there any readings for the likes of Coe, Ovett, Hicham, Haile, Coghlan etc?

Edit: http://www.bodytransform.co.nz/Blog/VO2+max+of+athletes+and+animals.html

I always knew dogs were amongst the fittest animals on earth.

walshb

ManwitaPlan wrote: »

Didnt see this but it seems the main conclusion is that V02 max is laregly genetically determined and difficult to increase????
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+1

http://www.bodytransform.co.nz/Blog/VO2+max+of+athletes+and+animals.html

Clearlier

It's worth pointing out that although we're a running board the programme itself wasn't focused on running. It was a lifestyle programme that was trying to identify the most efficient way of exercising to stay healthy with a bit of a nod towards weight management. It was a little bit interesting but narrow and I don't think that I took very much out of it as a runner. There's a decent chance IMO that most people who try to follow the exercise ideas that they were investigating will injure themselves sooner or later - very many of them sooner.