weight training for chin ups

tinner777

hi,
could you lot tell me what kind of training i should be doing to enable me to do chin ups? Google has me confused

I'm not able to do any at the moment but its my aim this year to be able to do ten

squod

Assisted chins, negative chins or both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE9jqLDP_QI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFtE27GzTTk

Rossin

few ideas here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056557243

Owen_S

Are you doing a weight lifting routine at the moment? If so, post it. If you are doing some form of rows, they will help. If you can row your bodyweight, you will probably be able to do at least a few chin-ups as a lot of the same muscles are used in both movements.

The usual things like assisted and/or negative chin-ups will also help.

tinner777

Workout 1 (back and biceps)
Deadlifts 3x8
Barbell rows 3x8
Dumbbell pullovers 3x8
Workout 2 (chest and triceps)
Incline bench with either dumbbell or barbell
Flat bench with either dumbbell or barbell
Dumbbell flys
Close grip bench press
Workout 3 (legs and shoulders)
Squats
Straight leg deadlifts
Standing calf raises with dumbbells Overhead shoulder press with dumbbells
Upright rows with barbell

Dermighty

tinner777 wrote: »

Workout

I don't know if you train at home or in a gym, also I'm not trying to put a downer on your workout, just that it needs some changes.

I don't think you're doing enough with your biceps to begin with, in short: the chin up uses your arms a lot but you're not training your arms directly, only indirectly through benching, deadlifting etc, which is a good thing! but only if you're going heavy, and it looks like your not going that heavy if you're doing sets of 8 reps on the deadlift. Heavy benching should leave your forearms worked out as well as your triceps, chest, deltoids and your biceps to a lesser extent.

Workout 1 (back and biceps) You don't have any specific bicep exercises in here
Deadlifts 3x8 8 reps is a lot, too much I would say
Barbell rows 3x8 What about dumbbell rows?, cable rows, machine rows, t-bar rows?
Dumbbell pullovers 3x8 Lat pulldown and barbell rows/cable rows/machine rows will all do the same thing as dumbbell pullovers, which I personally don't think a whole lot of, and don't forget negative pull ups! they're so hard but so good!

Workout 2 (chest and triceps)
Incline bench with either dumbbell or barbell Flat bench first
Flat bench with either dumbbell or barbell Incline Bench/Decline Bench every second session,
Dumbbell flys Look up inner chest exercises, there's a whole lot more than just dumbbell flyes
Close grip bench press Dips, behind the head tricep extensions, skullcrushers (barbell tricep extension), narrow arm position pressups (whatever they're actually called).

Workout 3 (legs and shoulders)
Squats
Leg press (heavy!) + lunges (weighted with dumbbells/weight vest) superset
Straight leg deadlifts Good mornings give your arms/shoulders a break if you want to go heavy on these
Standing calf raises with dumbbells
Overhead shoulder press with dumbbells Alternate these with barbell presses too
Upright rows with barbell I'd be more inclined to do specific deltoid work and shrugs, a simple deltoid triset gives

I suppose the things I'd like you to see from what I wrote is (1) you need more direct arms exercises like curls, dips, pressups etc and (2) mix up the types of movements your doing between barbells, dumbells, bodyweight etc. Doing the same exercises week in week out (even with weight increases) is not going to be as effective as using different exercises while increasing the weight load. All the exercises I listed are the regular exercises you'll see on programs everywhere so there's nothing there that you won't find pages about.

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Here's my general routine, which has slight changes every week, so you can see what I'm on about:

Back:
Deadlifts (every second week I do back extensions instead, with no extra resistance)
T-bar row
Wide grip pull-ups
Dumbell or barbell row
Machine row or cable row or barbell row (alternating between narrow and wide grip, 10 reps of wide and straight away do 10 reps of narrow)
Wide-grip Lat pulldown or cable lat pulldown

Chest:
Press-ups or flyes to warm up (my arms tire before my chest so I need plenty of blood in there
Bench press or dumbbell press
Incline/decline press (depending on the week), can be done on the bench, with dumbells, on the smith machine or on a normal machine or with cables.
Machine flyes or cable flyes or dumbbell flyes

Legs:
Barbell squat
45 degree leg press and walking weighted lunges superset (have to go heavy on the leg press and do the lunges without weight if you cant manage it with weight, I've weak legs and I can manage 200kg on the press and 22kg dumbbells for the lunges so anyone can do them!)
Straight legged deadlifts (or good mornings) and forward falls superset (have to go heavy on the deadlifts
Barbell box squat to failure (only 1 set, but have someone to spot you so you can get the last few that you might not get on your own)
Machine leg extension drop to absolute failure (2 sets or 3 if I can manage it), eg: without stopping or resting go 95kgx5 drop to 85kgx5 drop to 75kgx5 drop to 65kgx5 and rep to failure on 55kg.

Shoulders:
Dumbell shoulder press
Barbell press + lateral raise superset (20 reps on the press and 10 reps on the raise)
Smith machine press (behind head)
Seated Deltoid Triset or Arnold press (depending on how my shoulders feel) (Triset = using a 20kg plate + 10kg dumbells: front raise x 10, dumbell lateral raise x 10, plate overhead press x fail)
Posterior deltoid superset (seated) (narrow dumbell row (not a full extension), rear deltoid raise)
Dumbell shrugs or barbell shrugs (I use straps to get the most out of these) (and every two weeks I throw in a superset of heavy shrugs and heavy uprights rows (I think these are bad for your rotator cuffs and mine get quite sore so I don't do these very often))

Arms:
Barbell or dumbell curls (hammer curls or bicep curls)
Run the rack (bicep curls or hammer curls, the opposite of what I did before)
Reverse curls barbells or cable (palms facing down, individual grips if cable)

Dips
Cable tricep pushdown/extension (heavy)
Reverse tricep extensions (palms facing up)

After biceps and triceps are done I go back to the cable machine and do slow contraction orientated bicep and tricep curls/extensions. I do this one arm at a time, slowly and keep going until I'm tired enough to call it a day.



Regards core and abs and all that, personally I get a good core workout doing deadlifts, pull ups and squats and benching to a lesser extent, so my abs are sore at the end of the week but I also do direct ab work, russian twists (plate) and olympic twists (medicine ball) for my obliques and weighted crunches for my abs.

thebiggestjim

Join a crossfit gym, it won't be long before your able to do 10.

tinner777

thanks everyone.
dermighty i'm stuck at home with a bench so am limited on what i can do. but i'll take into account what you said

Barry.Oglesby

Dermighty wrote: »

I don't know if you train at home or in a gym, also I'm not trying to put a downer on your workout, just that it needs some changes.

I don't think you're doing enough with your biceps to begin with, in short: the chin up uses your arms a lot but you're not training your arms directly, only indirectly through benching, deadlifting etc, which is a good thing! but only if you're going heavy, and it looks like your not going that heavy if you're doing sets of 8 reps on the deadlift. Heavy benching should leave your forearms worked out as well as your triceps, chest, deltoids and your biceps to a lesser extent.

Workout 1 (back and biceps) You don't have any specific bicep exercises in here
Deadlifts 3x8 8 reps is a lot, too much I would say
Barbell rows 3x8 What about dumbbell rows?, cable rows, machine rows, t-bar rows?
Dumbbell pullovers 3x8 Lat pulldown and barbell rows/cable rows/machine rows will all do the same thing as dumbbell pullovers, which I personally don't think a whole lot of, and don't forget negative pull ups! they're so hard but so good!

Workout 2 (chest and triceps)
Incline bench with either dumbbell or barbell Flat bench first
Flat bench with either dumbbell or barbell Incline Bench/Decline Bench every second session,
Dumbbell flys Look up inner chest exercises, there's a whole lot more than just dumbbell flyes
Close grip bench press Dips, behind the head tricep extensions, skullcrushers (barbell tricep extension), narrow arm position pressups (whatever they're actually called).

Workout 3 (legs and shoulders)
Squats
Leg press (heavy!) + lunges (weighted with dumbbells/weight vest) superset
Straight leg deadlifts Good mornings give your arms/shoulders a break if you want to go heavy on these
Standing calf raises with dumbbells
Overhead shoulder press with dumbbells Alternate these with barbell presses too
Upright rows with barbell I'd be more inclined to do specific deltoid work and shrugs, a simple deltoid triset gives

I suppose the things I'd like you to see from what I wrote is (1) you need more direct arms exercises like curls, dips, pressups etc and (2) mix up the types of movements your doing between barbells, dumbells, bodyweight etc. Doing the same exercises week in week out (even with weight increases) is not going to be as effective as using different exercises while increasing the weight load. All the exercises I listed are the regular exercises you'll see on programs everywhere so there's nothing there that you won't find pages about.

That's a bit pernickety. I think you're also changing all the wrong exercises.

paky

i find swimming helps with chin ups, far better than weights imo

Hanley

You could probably stop reading this thread after the first post and have all you need for better chin ups.

Add in some ring rows, or rack chins as well while you're training maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM-b4qOOWsE

Barry.Oglesby

Agreed read the first 3 replies and then switch to youporn or something. Everything after that is shíte.

Dermighty

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Agreed read the first 3 replies and then switch to youporn or something. Everything after that is shíte.

Thanks.

Inspector Coptoor

Dermighty wrote: »

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Agreed read the first 3 replies and then switch to youporn or something. Everything after that is shíte.

Thanks.

He's right though.

AntiVirus

If your learning to do pull ups at home and can't do any. Start using a table like in the video below. When you can do these easy enough put your feet up on a chair to make them harder. Once you can do a few sets of these you'll be able to do some pull ups.

If you want to make them harder wear a backpack and throw in some weight.

Get downstairs and try it out now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYUxXMGVuuU

Dermighty

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

He's right though.

Riiiight.

I would make a distinction between "this is better than what he said" and "read some of the posts, the rest are ****e". I've no issue with differing opinions, just didn't expect Barry to come across like an asshole.

Hanley

Dermighty wrote: »

Riiiight.

I would make a distinction between "this is better than what he said" and "read some of the posts, the rest are ****e". I've no issue with differing opinions, just didn't expect Barry to come across like an asshole.

THe general standard of advice here over the past couple of weeks has been pathetic. Complete blind leading the blind. Not singling anyone out, but I'm not surprised at Barry's response.

Dermighty

Hanley wrote: »

THe general standard of advice here over the past couple of weeks has been pathetic. Complete blind leading the blind. Not singling anyone out, but I'm not surprised at Barry's response.

That's great, I'd rather get a measured response than a generic response because recent advice has been bad. I don't think my advice was far from being helpful. I haven't exactly been posting on everything here lately, nor did I ever do that really.

The reason I addressed the overall workout program was because the OP posted his whole workout, though the thread is about chin ups. The program I'm doing has helped me to do pull ups and chin ups, in increasing amount, and I feel that it's a good way of doing things, hence why I posted. I'm sure there's a million ways of doing chin ups orientated strength exercises, but I don't think it comes down to one youtube video explaining it.

Very simply, you have to do chin ups to get good at chin up, etc. So negatives (which I mentioned) and overall strength training (which the OP wasn't doing optimally, being honest) are the two to do.

peteclarke

Dermighty wrote: »

Riiiight.

I would make a distinction between "this is better than what he said" and "read some of the posts, the rest are ****e". I've no issue with differing opinions, just didn't expect Barry to come across like an asshole.

Seriously. Thats all I expect from him. One of the rudest posters here. Smart answer for everything.
Unless your looking for a bjj club on the northside. Then he's a gentleman.

Barry.Oglesby

Well I was doing great then people have to go and call me names... again...

Dermighty wrote: »

Riiiight.

I would make a distinction between "this is better than what he said" and "read some of the posts, the rest are ****e". I've no issue with differing opinions, just didn't expect Barry to come across like an asshole.

I didn't mean to come across as an asshole, it's just that a guy looking to improve his chin ups doesn't need to replace an incline bench with a flat bench and so on. Doesn't need decline benching etc. etc I could go on. Your post was pernickity (read over complicated if that's too asshole like). The guy is doing barbell rows 3x8, that's a perfectly fine horizontal plane pulling exercise. There's no need to give him a dictionary of other pulls. His programme isn't that bad. In fact, compared to most you see, it's quite decent. Could do with more volume maybe, but it's okay. Your advice was over complicated. So yes, I suppose, to go out on a limb, if the OP walked up to you and asked how to do more chins and you gave him that to do, then you walked over to me and asked "Barry what did you think of that?" I'd say, "I thought it was shíte Dermighty". You'd probably say "No need to be such an asshole Barry". To which I'd reply "Don't be so ****in sensitive Dermighty. Get over it. Have a muffin. And next time you think advice of mine is shíte, feel free to express yourself in the same manner". To which you'd say "I understand. But I don't like muffins".

See. Shíte. Not the worst word in the world.

peteclarke wrote:

Seriously. Thats all I expect from him. One of the rudest posters here. Smart answer for everything.
Unless your looking for a bjj club on the northside. Then he's a gentleman.

You need to have a think about this "brain to keyboard" reflex you have going on.

Dermighty

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

And next time you think advice of mine is shíte, feel free to express yourself in the same manner"

And what advice would that be Barry?!

Seeing as you simply told me I was being pernickety, changed the wrong exercises (with no explanation as to why you thought that and I only changed the order of the exercises) and you then said that you agree with the first three posts and the rest were ****e.

I'm being oversensitive? Well, I'm generally sensitive to people who make gross simplifications of information they didn't really read and then use the opportunity to blindly disagree with people as if they have a better alternative (your posts were so informative and full of information!).

Have a muffin.

Barry.Oglesby

Dermighty wrote: »

And what advice would that be Barry?!

Seeing as you simply told me I was being pernickety, changed the wrong exercises (with no explanation as to why you thought that and I only changed the order of the exercises) and you then said that you agree with the first three posts and the rest were ****e.

I'm being oversensitive? Well, I'm generally sensitive to people who make gross simplifications of information they didn't really read and then use the opportunity to blindly disagree with people as if they have a better alternative (your posts were so informative and full of information!).

Have a muffin.

I don't really eat muffins. I do eat them in the alternative universe in which our conversation took place though.

Also I did read your post, quite carefully. I didn't blindly disagree either, I disagreed having read the suggestions put forward.

Look I'm not debating who said what. The first 3 posts were simple and addressed the problem. I don't need to reiterate what they said to be constructive. I'm not being an asshole, I'm just quite direct as it saves energy and wear and tear on my keyboard.

tinner777

well thanks again for the replies. Whats wrong with my workout? I can only train at home and only have a bench and weights. Was told its pretty ok given my lack of equipment. However i'd take any advice

Dermighty

tinner777 wrote: »

well thanks again for the replies. Whats wrong with my workout? I can only train at home and only have a bench and weights. Was told its pretty ok given my lack of equipment. However i'd take any advice

If you have been in a gym you could have changed a few things.

For working at home that's good. Exercises you can do to replicate the movement of a chin up will benefit your chin ups.

Barry.Oglesby

Not totally unrelated

http://www.vpxsports.com/article-detail/training/how-i-worked-up-to-55-consecutive-chinups

If you browse the articles section you'll find a couple of articles from yours truly too

tinner777

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Not totally unrelated

http://www.vpxsports.com/article-detail/training/how-i-worked-up-to-55-consecutive-chinups

If you browse the articles section you'll find a couple of articles from yours truly too

50:eek::eek::eek:
talk about reach for the stars

Barry.Oglesby

tinner777 wrote: »

50:eek::eek::eek:
talk about reach for the stars

LOL yeah I know. The programme he used is for advanced guys but if you look at it it's not too complicated and there's lessons in it for others:
1) don't go to failure too often
2) Build volume- he uses declining sets but if you had a 1rm of 1, then you could do as many singles as possible, or assisted chins as suggested.
3) Come up with a plan on how you're going to do it, and then do it until you hit your goal.

But he's a beast he posted the video of his 55 to me. It's savage!

AntiVirus

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Not totally unrelated

http://www.vpxsports.com/article-detail/training/how-i-worked-up-to-55-consecutive-chinups

If you browse the articles section you'll find a couple of articles from yours truly too

He's no chance of doing 50 without kipping, he just about did 19 before the kipping set in.

Barry.Oglesby

AntiVirus wrote: »

He's no chance of doing 50 without kipping, he just about did 19 before the kipping set in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6xmsXIdL9Q

Here's his 55. I wouldn't be a form Nazi when it comes to that amount of numbers.

meijin

AntiVirus wrote: »

He's no chance of doing 50 without kipping, he just about did 19 before the kipping set in.

to me it looks like kipping from the very start in the "55" video :P

AntiVirus

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6xmsXIdL9Q

Here's his 55. I wouldn't be a form Nazi when it comes to that amount of numbers.

If he improves his swinging he should be able to beat his 55 kips but he won't get near 50 pullups. His technique is terrible.

AntiVirus

meijin wrote: »

to me it looks like kipping from the very start in the "55" video :P

I know, he wrote an article on how he got to 55 consecutive chinups and he has to resort to kipping to do them. Doesn't say much about his training plan, in the bin with that.

Barry.Oglesby

r we srs?

AntiVirus

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

r we srs?

Deadly serious, if he learns to swing better he'll easily be able to hit 60 in a couple of days. His kipping technique is ok but not the best.

Barry.Oglesby

AntiVirus wrote: »

Deadly serious, if he learns to swing better he'll easily be able to hit 60 in a couple of days. His kipping technique is ok but not the best.

But surely if he kips less then he is stronger...

I think we need a definition. Anyway, I don't think he kips excessively for 55, and a lot of guys who are very powerful kip accidentally when you watch them. I had a guy last week who actually couldn't not kip when he went to pull fast.

I'm really anti-kipping based on the fact that I can't kip.:)

Hanley

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

But surely if he kips less then he is stronger...

I think we need a definition. Anyway, I don't think he kips excessively for 55, and a lot of guys who are very powerful kip accidentally when you watch them. I had a guy last week who actually couldn't not kip when he went to pull fast.

I'm really anti-kipping based on the fact that I can't kip.:)

My guy > your guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boLl8rGhJvE

Barry.Oglesby

He kips.

AntiVirus

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

But surely if he kips less then he is stronger...

He won't become stronger by kipping less, he'll just do less pull ups.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I think we need a definition. Anyway, I don't think he kips excessively for 55, and a lot of guys who are very powerful kip accidentally when you watch them.

He's admits to kipping in the first video after his first set. He starts off well and gets to 19 pretty quickly, then the kipping kicks in and he does the next 19 in pretty much the same time. So in this case it's nothing to to with speed.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I had a guy last week who actually couldn't not kip when he went to pull fast.

Tell him to slow down :pac:

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I'm really anti-kipping based on the fact that I can't kip.:)

Nothing wrong with kipping and its quiet easy to do but not easy to perfect. I'm sure with some help you could master it.

Barry.Oglesby

AntiVirus wrote: »

He won't become stronger by kipping less, he'll just do less pull ups.

That's not what I meant. I mean since he's doing more work and gaining less from momentum because he's no good at kipping according to you, then he's stronger by default.

Tell him to slow down :pac:

He's 110kg and quite capable of removing my head from my shoulders... you tell him to slow down!

Nothing wrong with kipping and its quiet easy to do but not easy to perfect. I'm sure with some help you could master it.

Meh I disagree. But that's for another argument. As for the learning how, I've no desire to do it really it's just a curiosity. I've had a few people start to try to show me but usually it ends in farce. I might give it a go one day. I don't really like it from a technical point of view anyway, but I'd like to be able to knock out a few for curiosity's sake.

AntiVirus

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

That's not what I meant. I mean since he's doing more work and gaining less from momentum because he's no good at kipping according to you, then he's stronger by default.

Simply answer, no. The only thing that will happen if he stopped swing his legs is he'll not be able to do 55. He won't magically become stronger.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

He's 110kg and quite capable of removing my head from my shoulders... you tell him to slow down!

No problem! Give me his email address...

Barry.Oglesby

AntiVirus wrote: »

Simply answer, no. The only thing that will happen if he stopped swing his legs is he'll not be able to do 55. He won't magically become stronger.

Still missing my point! Re-read!

No problem! Give me his email address...

giant.manbeast@hairyback.com

AntiVirus

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Still missing my point! Re-read!

I'm not missing any point. Just incase you've forgotten your own post here it is.

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

But surely if he kips less then he is stronger

Less kipping doesn't make you magically stronger.

john_cappa

Dermighty wrote: »

Dumbbell flys Look up inner chest exercises, there's a whole lot more than just dumbbell flyes

There are no such thing as inner chest exercises. You cannot target the inner chest,outer chest, lower, upper etc. more or less with any exercise.

rubadub

Hanley wrote: »

My guy > your guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boLl8rGhJvE

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

He kips.

What I found interesting was I am pretty sure I read Konstantinovs (in the video above) saying he ONLY does kipping pullups in training.

I have said before I think it is weird that people will often go for reps on pullups, pushups, dips etc, but would never dream of going past say 15 or 20reps on any other resistance exercise. There have been numerous threads on the 100pushup program, and not many advise against it. -yet in another recent thread a guy was saying he was doing huge reps, maybe 50+ with a dumbbell doing curls, and people were saying how crazy it was.

Now I know it is convenient not to have to add weight, but they could be doing harder variations, like wide grip pullups, or 1 arm or 1 hand, or front lever pullups. Same with pushups, loads of harder variations rather than just lashing out 100.

rock27

?..Incline/decline bench....their purpose is to work one part of the chest more?

To the OP, throw in a couple band assisted chins if you have access to a band. If not, use extended eccentric reps, i.e. if you can't pull yourself up, jump to the down position then slow down, pulldowns if you access to a m/c, etc.

Mellor

AntiVirus wrote: »

Simply answer, no. The only thing that will happen if he stopped swing his legs is he'll not be able to do 55. He won't magically become stronger.

AntiVirus wrote:

I'm not missing any point. Just incase you've forgotten your own post here it is.

Less kipping doesn't make you magically stronger.

I think you are missing his point.
He isn't saying that kipping or not suddenly makes him stronger. Why would anybody suggest that.
He is speaking relative to a max of 55. As a measure of his current strength.

A guy who maxes at 55 pull-ups with "some' kipping (or poor kipping) is stronger than the guy who maxes at 55 with near perfect kipping.

AntiVirus

Mellor wrote: »

I think you are missing his point.
He isn't saying that kipping or not suddenly makes him stronger. Why would anybody suggest that.
He is speaking relative to a max of 55. As a measure of his current strength.

A guy who maxes at 55 pull-ups with "some' kipping (or poor kipping) is stronger than the guy who maxes at 55 with near perfect kipping.

Go back and read his post where he quoted me and point out how comparing him to some else has anything to do with what I said in my post.

Who cares if he's better than someone else, who cares if he's worse than someone else. As I pointed out, if he stops kipping, he won't get to 55, if he learns to kip better he'll hit 60 the same day.

Your explantion (while obvious) has nothing to do with the post he quoted.

Mellor

AntiVirus wrote: »

Go back and read his post where he quoted me and point out how comparing him to some else has anything to do with what I said in my post.

Who cares if he's better than someone else, who cares if he's worse than someone else. As I pointed out, if he stops kipping, he won't get to 55, if he learns to kip better he'll hit 60 the same day.

Your explantion (while obvious) has nothing to do with the post he quoted.

There is no somebody else, it was an example.
I was explaining what I took Barry to mean by

But surely if he kips less then he is stronger...

Manenkoff Article: How I worked to 55 pull-ups. Video.
AV: He is kipping. Poorly.
BO: If he kips less then he must be stronger.
AV: What magic is this, how does less kipping makes him stronger.
BO: missing my point
AV: No i'm not. Less kipping doesn't make you magically stronger
Mellor: I think he was saying that he means he IS stronger for getting to 50 like that.
AV: But he'll get to 60 if he gets better at kipping



I just don't see the point in going in circles like this I guess.
There is obviously some kipping in the video. Getting to 55 is still impressive, and I personally think we can forgive the form.
Barry is right, and the guy must be strong to reach 55 like that.
And you are also right that he won't do 55 without kipping and, he'll do 60+ if he can kip better.

So i'm not really sure what the problem is.
Get strong. Do pull-ups. Kip a little, do some more. Kip better, do the most. Simples

AntiVirus

There's no doubt that he is very strong. I was just suggesting that he could do more if he learned to kip better.

What Barry said is correct but he's not comparing him to someone else as you think.

The point that was missing is the time involved. The time I was talking about him getting to 60 by kipping more vs the time Barry was talking about him getting to 60 by kipping less.

Barry.Oglesby

AntiVirus wrote: »

There's no doubt that he is very strong. I was just suggesting that he could do more if he learned to kip better.

What Barry said is correct but he's not comparing him to someone else as you think.

The point that was missing is the time involved. The time I was talking about him getting to 60 by kipping more vs the time Barry was talking about him getting to 60 by kipping less.

Simple method of saying what I'm trying to say-
I do 5 rep max with poor kip technique
You do 5 rep max with excellent kip technique

I have to use more brute strength to get over the bar than you. Ergo Jason requires greater strength to perform 55 than if his lip was technically perfect IN THIS VIDEO EXAMPLE.

A minor throwaway point converted into a 3 page discussion on nothing!

Hanley

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Simple method of saying what I'm trying to say-
I do 5 rep max with poor kip technique
You do 5 rep max with excellent kip technique

I have to use more brute strength to get over the bar than you. Ergo Jason requires greater strength to perform 55 than if his lip was technically perfect IN THIS VIDEO EXAMPLE.

A minor throwaway point converted into a 3 page discussion on nothing!

Which would have the higher power output?