Nathan Cleverly is...

gene_tunney

...genuinely the worst "world champ" I've ever seen. He is ******* terrible. He has no power, no boxing skills, no idea wtf he is doing. He is absoloutely shocking. If he ever steps up in class he will get KTFO.

He is a fraud and the definition of a "Sky Sports Hypejob". Jesus he's terrible.

cowzerp

I disagree, he's ok-can be great at times and their is many worse champs that have been around

Sync

He's not that bad... but if he goes up against someone half decent he won't last... he should have knocked that lad out tonight within 4-5 rounds... he was at nothing

Joe Musashi

He is a light hitter and doesn't use his height and reach terribly well. HE has great stamina though and he's fast. I think he needs to improve significantly.

I'd give him a good chance to beat Jean Pascal though. Pascal has terrible stamina and if Cleverly got through the first 4/5 rounds then I think he'd take over.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

...genuinely the worst "world champ" I've ever seen. He is ******* terrible. He has no power, no boxing skills, no idea wtf he is doing. He is absoloutely shocking. If he ever steps up in class he will get KTFO.

He is a fraud and the definition of a "Sky Sports Hypejob". Jesus he's terrible.

That is way OTT. Strange post really. Maybe explain why and we could debate it.

Saying things like, "no boxing skills, no idea wtf he is doing. Bit vague if there is nothing to back it up.

tryingmybestt

He has all the mental qualities of a champ and most of the physical

His main flaw is his lack of ko power.....even when he dominates fights he is unable to finish and this leads to a negative feeling about the performance

If he had the power he could be very good

rebelomar

I wasnt very impressed last night....he def should have got rid of that guy! I liked him thus far but he seemed to have very little pop in his shots last night...I wonder was he happy to get the full 12 rounds under his belt as he didnt even seem to be loading up with anything last night.

gene_tunney

Hi guys.

gene_tunney

Some more enjoyable Cleverly bashing:

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supersean1999

He lost to à very very hard hitting beast. U need to relax . Your first post was more personal Its obvious u cant stand him. Now your back bragging. What à fool. The Guy showed balls to fight this Guy.

gene_tunney

supersean1999 wrote: »

He lost to à very very hard hitting beast. U need to relax . Your first post was more personal Its obvious u cant stand him. Now your back bragging. What à fool. The Guy showed balls to fight this Guy.

Calm down there. I have no problem with Cleverly personally. I'm sure he's a nice guy. My problem is people who don't know what they are talking about tend to get swept along in the wake of the sky sports hypetrain and I enjoy bringing them back down to earth. #Boxing101

magma69

gene_tunney wrote: »

...genuinely the worst "world champ" I've ever seen. He is ******* terrible. He has no power, no boxing skills, no idea wtf he is doing. He is absoloutely shocking. If he ever steps up in class he will get KTFO.

He is a fraud and the definition of a "Sky Sports Hypejob". Jesus he's terrible.

Have you said such a sentiment before?

It's a bit hollow the way these threads pop out after a fighter loses.

Edit, saw your post. Fair enough! LOL

Pighead

magma69 wrote: »

Have you said such a sentiment before?

It's a bit hollow the way these threads pop out after a fighter loses.

In fairness to him he does generally lay his cards on the table beforehand.

gene_tunney wrote: »

Rigondeaux is, IMO, the most overrated fighter in boxing today. If he fights Donaire he will get KTFO.

gene_tunney wrote: »

Canelo is a hypejob. Exposure is imminent.

SRFC

Great call love when someone points there opinion out there strongly.

supersean1999

He got hit by some puncher. I respect clev for taking the fight. I fully expect him to rebuild. He is not the best lhw in the world. But i doubt to many would Knock him out like that.

gene_tunney

Pighead wrote: »

In fairness to him he does generally lay his cards on the table beforehand.

My prediction of the Donaire fight is the only one I can really remember getting wrong and I'm pretty embarrassed about it. I got carried away by a youtube video showing rigondeaux's weaknesses. Most importantly I neglected the cardinal rule of boxing: styles make fights. Donaire is a boxer, not the brawling wrecking machine his highlight reel makes him look like. When two boxers clash, the purer boxer usually wins. I thought donaire would go animalistic and force the issue, but he played rigo's game and looked terrified of his power. In my defence he floored rigo late on but then bizarrely failed to press the issue.

I was wrong but I learned from it. Donaire disappointed me. Rigo is an excellent boxer but very vulnerable

gene_tunney

gene_tunney wrote: »

Canelo is a hypejob. Exposure is imminent.

Well he was actually beaten by Trout in his last fight but with a Mayweather fight looming they couldn't give the decision to Trout. So he was basically beaten already.

That said, he is a dangerous opponent for Mayweather because of his sheer size.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

In my defence he floored rigo late on but then bizarrely failed to press the issue.

It was a flash knockdown when Rigo was caught standing square. No real impact on Rigo.

megadodge

gene_tunney wrote: »

Well he was actually beaten by Trout in his last fight but with a Mayweather fight looming they couldn't give the decision to Trout. So he was basically beaten already.

That said, he is a dangerous opponent for Mayweather because of his sheer size.

I've seen an odd opinion recently that Trout won that fight and I'm quite bemused by it. I thought Canelo won by 3 rounds. No doubts. And there were no complaints from Troutt or his camp either.

Throwing a large amount of pitty pat punches from too far out and having the huge majority of them blocked and slipped doesn't win a fight for you.

megadodge

gene_tunney wrote: »

My prediction of the Donaire fight is the only one I can really remember getting wrong and I'm pretty embarrassed about it. I got carried away by a youtube video showing rigondeaux's weaknesses. Most importantly I neglected the cardinal rule of boxing: styles make fights. Donaire is a boxer, not the brawling wrecking machine his highlight reel makes him look like. When two boxers clash, the purer boxer usually wins. I thought donaire would go animalistic and force the issue, but he played rigo's game and looked terrified of his power. In my defence he floored rigo late on but then bizarrely failed to press the issue.

I was wrong but I learned from it. Donaire disappointed me. Rigo is an excellent boxer but very vulnerable

In what way?

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

It was a flash knockdown when Rigo was caught standing square. No real impact on Rigo.

Flash knockdown, what in god's name? He hit him a decent left hook, Rigo went down. It wasn't like he lost his balance.

megadodge wrote: »

In what way?

If I have time I may write a detailed response later. Rigo is the best fighter in the division but is also beatable.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

Flash knockdown, what in god's name? He hit him a decent left hook, Rigo went down. It wasn't like he lost his balance.
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Watch it again.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

Watch it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ZIqQwlFWk

1.53

As legit a knockdown as you'll ever see. A knockdown is a knockdown. Didn't lose his balance, just got his suspect jaw tested.

gaybeer

Maybe a bit short sighted to be declaring victory on Cleverly as a terrible world champion. If you look at other boxers careers you may have written off after being knocked out by big punchers in early parts of their careers. Wlad would be an easy one to point out. I am sure Cleverly will get another chance, soon enough if Bellew can pull off a shock.

Clev is a volume puncher, who can box and will give anyone who can't hurt him early awful problems with his workload alone. I think he beats Hopkins at this point.

Maybe look at some of your behavioural biases when saying there is only one fight you have called wrong? I'm sure there literally 100s of fights that the winner was who you though but the reason for the win was completely different to your reasoning in the build up. Burns Mitchell would be a good example. IF you saw Burns blowing him out with his power....

gaybeer

gene_tunney wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ZIqQwlFWk

1.53

As legit a knockdown as you'll ever see. A knockdown is a knockdown. Didn't lose his balance, just got his suspect jaw tested.

I don't think Walshb was saying it wasn't a legit knockdown. He got caught standing square and was knocked down. He wasn't badly hurt. The reason he didn't push it home was that Rigo wasn't badly hurt and the fight resumed as it had being going in the earlier rounds.

EDIT: THat knockdown was nothing to do with a suspect chin. It was footwork issue, it wasn't anything to do with an inability to take a punch.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ZIqQwlFWk

1.53

As legit a knockdown as you'll ever see. A knockdown is a knockdown. Didn't lose his balance, just got his suspect jaw tested.

Getting dropped and having a suspect jaw aren't necessarily related. Look thru history and that is quite apparent.

MickFleetwood

gene_tunney wrote: »

Well he was actually beaten by Trout in his last fight but with a Mayweather fight looming they couldn't give the decision to Trout. So he was basically beaten already.

That said, he is a dangerous opponent for Mayweather because of his sheer size.

This is laughable stuff. How can you sit there and say he definitely lost to Trout, or that he's "lost" already? That fight was a close but clear win for Canelo.

gene_tunney

gaybeer wrote: »

I don't think Walshb was saying it wasn't a legit knockdown. He got caught standing square and was knocked down. He wasn't badly hurt. The reason he didn't push it home was that Rigo wasn't badly hurt and the fight resumed as it had being going in the earlier rounds.

EDIT: THat knockdown was nothing to do with a suspect chin. It was footwork issue, it wasn't anything to do with an inability to take a punch.

Hi gay,

I do agree his feet were a bit misplaced but he still has a suspect chin.

MickFleetwood wrote: »

This is laughable stuff. How can you sit there and say he definitely lost to Trout, or that he's "lost" already? That fight was a close but clear win for Canelo.

I thought Trout won, big deal. Different opinions exist in boxing.

MickFleetwood

gene_tunney wrote: »

Hi gay,

I do agree his feet were a bit misplaced but he still has a suspect chin.



I thought Trout won, big deal. Different opinions exist in boxing.

Yes, different opinions exist, but you're so sure and certain that Alvarez lost. :pac: I thought he won quite clearly, I can also accept differing opinions but not when you say things like "well, Canelo has lost already so...."

walshb

MickFleetwood wrote: »

This is laughable stuff. How can you sit there and say he definitely lost to Trout, or that he's "lost" already? That fight was a close but clear win for Canelo.

I wouldn't have called it a clear win. One could argue a win for Trout, but overall I do see your point. How anyone can claim a clear win for Trout is puzzling. How anyone can claim a clear win for Canelo is equally puzzling. Plenty of room in that fight for subjective scoring and judging.

MickFleetwood

walshb wrote: »

I wouldn't have called it a clear win. One could argue a win for Trout, but overall I do see your point. How anyone can claim a clear win for Trout is puzzling. How anyone can claim a clear win for Canelo is equally puzzling. Plenty of room in that fight for subjective scoring and judging.

Nah, it's not really a puzzling statement. I concede that one could have Trout winning but on my scorecard Alvarez clearly won at least seven rounds, for me. A clear (yet close) victory. When I say clear I don't mean there's no room for interpretation, or that it wasn't a razor-thin bout, just that on my card it was a clear victory.

The majority of boxing fans that I know of had it for Canelo, the judges had it for him, and I've seen literally no cries of robbery until this thread regarding the fight. Alvarez won it.

gene_tunney

I never said Trout won clearly. I believe he won by a small margin.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

I never said Trout won clearly. I believe he won by a small margin.

You implied that Canelo lost already. Almost as if it was a fact, a fact that he was robbed. It's far from a fact. Most had Canelo the winner. Difference of opinion on a close fight is one thing, but being so certain of a result is another.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

You implied that Canelo lost already. Almost as if it was a fact, a fact that he was robbed. It's far from a fact. Most had Canelo the winner. Difference of opinion on a close fight is one thing, but being so certain of a result is another.

In my eyes he lost, that's what I wanted to get across.

walshb

gene_tunney wrote: »

In my eyes he lost, that's what I wanted to get across.

I get that. But the way it reads for me is that you are quite certain, and that an opposing view is just wrong. That for me is puzzling. I had Canelo a close winner if I remember correctly.

gene_tunney

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