John Lennon Imagine

CyberJuice

Is the lyrics in this song tellin us about the nwo 1 world order..

imagine all the people living as one

i hope one day youll join us

imagine theres no heaven

imagine theres no countries

ive seen it said before that the beetles were in the illuminati.. in fact on one of their album covers theres a picture of some guy that was known to be apart of some secret society,cant remember his name, he had a black beard...i never paid too much attention to it at the time....

just wondering if anyone think this song might be nwo propoganda or am i just crazy

MrStuffins

CyberJuice wrote: »

just wondering if anyone think this song might be nwo propoganda or am i just crazy

The latter!

stuar

Don't mind him your not crazy.


Don't know anything about a black beard guy, but on SGT PEPPER'S album cover theres a man called Alaistair Crowley, the baldy fella at the back on the left.

Crowley was a known occultist/satanist, also known as the beast, he used to ride goats and just as he blew his load would slit their throat's, lovely fella.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

The album cover art, by English pop artist Peter Blake, depicts the band posing in front of a collage of their favourite celebrities, and has been widely acclaimed and imitated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._Pepper's_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band

If you want to talk about the Beatles theres a few things you should look into:

Beatles Conspiracy: Did They Cover Up Paul's 1966 Death?


Beatles Backmasking

Now your crazy;)

Tzar Chasm

the way I see it there have always been two schools of thought on the merits of a one world government. these divisions occured in many groups even the Beatles

on the one hand you had the hippie movement espousing Peace love and harmony in a socialist paradise where everyone is free and equal, we would have a democratically elected single government which would eliminate War and work for global harmonisation of resoursce allocation.

judging by some of his works, Imagine and Working class hero being good examples, John Lennon was most certainly a disciple of this school

the other movement is the Fascist movement where a single government controls and regulates every movement of the citizen for the greater good of the state, resoursce allocation here is done in the interest of the Corporations and an ever increasing cycle of Production and Consumption where everyone Must work to survive

Judging by some of his Later works http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2011/07/thomas_the_imperialist_tank_engine.html Ringo Star could well be an agent for this school

kryogen

The Sgt. Peppers album cover has so many famous faces, why single out Crowley?

There is also a great one about how Paul died in a car crash and an imposter has been playing the part of Paul since then! now thats good and crazy!

Lennon had a very hippy outlook, the song Imagine is a very good example of that,

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Pretty clear its about peace and love, all the world coming together, forget religious difference, racial difference etc, we are all on the same planet, we are all the same species, arms around the world and all that.

Not as entertaining as seeing a guy get paid hundred of millions to pretend to be Paul Mcartney I know.

kryogen

stuar wrote: »

Crowley was a known occultist/satanist, also known as the beast, he used to ride goats and just as he blew his load would slit their throat's, lovely fella.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

Love the internet, you can spout off whatever you like without needing to have a shred of proof!

enno99

Now I cant be so sure about Sir Paul

But I think Lennon was one of the good guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZGQA0nqScI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDJeM5R4PM

snafuk35

Because the old order of fighting and killing and countries and religions is working out just fine isn't it? Lennon was singing about world peace and a world without war. What is wrong with that?

Tzar Chasm

Now I cant be so sure about Sir Paul

But I think Lennon was one of the good guys

Well,
McCartney got a Knighthood
Lennon got Shot

iner what you will from that

mathepac

John certainly seemed to have been the most 'damaged' of the Beatles psychologically and to have had the least stable early life (father deserted family, mother gave him to his aunt to pursue her own agenda as an 'entertainer', reconciled with mother aged 17, mother killed by drunk off-duty policeman, father re-appears when Beatles famous, John disappointed with him, pays him off and moves him on, etc).

This cycle of disappointment, loss and signs of despair and depression seemed to dog John's life (he looked to the workshop in India with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to lift him out of his depression after Brian Epstein's death (suicide ?) and when the Indian experiment failed, he turned to heroin when back in the UK)

John constantly craved a better life, a better world, a better deal for 'the masses' some kind cross between a spiritual Nirvana and a global Socialist republic, Utopiah in other words.

His state of mind is often reflected in his lyrics and melodies, which are darker and more sombre generally that the 'collaborations' with McCartney and for me John's voice was gruffer, more bluesey and sad than Paul who then had an almost perfect pop voice.

Was he involved in some NWO drive? I don't know that he was but he certainly craved a new world order (caps deliberately left out) and he wanted 'things' generally to be different. For me that's what 'Imagine' has always been about, wistful, wishing, honest and almost a meditation.

I miss him every day and take solace in the fact that at least his time with Yoko Ono and his kids was as happy as he had ever been on earth.

hooradiation

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Well,
McCartney got a Knighthood
Lennon got Shot

iner what you will from that

That you can't confer knighthoods to corpses?

Tzar Chasm

hooradiation wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Well,
McCartney got a Knighthood
Lennon got Shot

iner what you will from that

That you can't confer knighthoods to corpses?

Sir Henry Cotton died in 1987 but was knighted in 1988

kryogen

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Sir Henry Cotton died in 1987 but was knighted in 1988

He had accepted the knighthood prior to his death and it was effective from the day he died.

mathepac

stuar wrote: »

... Crowley was a known occultist/satanist ...

Somewhere behind Paul's right shoulder is a full-size head-shot of Adolf Hitler another rather well-known occultist. Not visible on the album cover, I have a few pictures of Peter Blake assembling the collage of life-size portraits . stand-ups and "Hitler" is clearly visible.

That Wiki article is far from accurate. The collage was not of the Beatle's
"favourite celebrities", far from it as it contained not only Hitler, but Fatty Arbuckle, Oscar Wilde ( one of John's favourite authors ) and others who had caused revulsion and raised the hackles of "good society" during their lifetimes and afterwards.

Also included are Tom Nix, Sigmund Freud (the world's first coke dealer and the man who created the first coke addict) a handful of philosophers and other luminaries, not quite the sort of Big Brother contestants Wikipedia seems to imply.

I'll dig out one of my books later and have a look at Peter Blake's Beatle brief, which understandably became a bit of a movable feast