ANPR

Ricardo G

Just wondering if all squad cars are fitted with ANPR ?? or is it just a selected few across the country?? Is it up to date and what does it actually tell you about the vehicle, tax ? insuance? NCT? Only reason i ask i read on breakingnews.ie this morning that their will be a nationwide crack down on speeding etc over the next six months (obviously to raise more revenue). They have already started over the last 3 days here in Co.Waterford, they are out in full force, every backroad, crossroad etc.

Atlantic Dawn

I would say not even 1 in 5 of them have it fitted.

Anan1

I don't think ANPR is for catching speeders, rather those without tax.

cadaliac

Only Traffic Corp cars have it fitted. Out of all the Traffic Corp cars, only a percentage have the ANPR fitted.
However, every second TC car I see has one where i live so I really don't know if I'm seeing the same car or if all the TC cars have this now or not.

Not really used for speeding afik, it's more for tax evasion. Insurance details, I'm not too sure about, but I would boubt if the guards have access to these files through this system.

Ricardo G

Yes, i'm sure we'd all hear about it if it was being enforced, i for one have never heard of an incident where someone was pulled over and told that they were nabbed through ANPR, not saying it does'nt happen. I would imagine that in the next few years all insurnace, tax details will be updated onto the ANPR system

Anan1

Ricardo G wrote: »

Yes, i'm sure we'd all hear about it if it was being enforced, i for one have never heard of an incident where someone was pulled over and told that they were nabbed through ANPR, not saying it does'nt happen. I would imagine that in the next few years all insurnace, tax details will be updated onto the ANPR system

It definitely happens, I know someone who had his car impounded for no tax by an ANPR-equipped squad car.

ScouseMouse

My friend got pulled for 5 months out of date tax on N11 coming back to dublin.

Saw him pulled in sitting quietly, and next thing, tearing after her.

Limbo123

If it has anything in common with the uk anpr (automatic number plate recognition) there will be more information than you expect.

The obvious ones are the tax/insurance and mot (NCT in Eire)

Other information that Is logged on ANPR includes warrants of arrest for driver (and not just for motoring offences), any criminal information/history about the driver/named driver or known associates that have links to that particular vehicle providing it is not 'spent' under the rehabilitation of offenders act (uk), non payment of fines etc. If the vehicle is suspected of transporting guns/drugs/stolen property/hookers/ bilking (filling up with fuel and driving off without payment). On uk motorways, they have fixed ANPR that alerts a particular police force of a car associated with a person/gang associated with crime that may enter that police forces area.

bazz26

ANPR is in use. The traffic corp car with the cameras fitted ususally doesn't do the chasing or flag you down, they normally just sit stationery and obverve, they have another car or motorbike about half a mile up the road. When the ANPR system flags a reg, they then just radio the car/bike ahead and they will stop the vehicle in question.

The ANPR system checks for valid tax and insurance, not sure about the NCT. They showed it in use on that last series of Traffic Blues on RTE last year. They caught a good number of cars too on that particular day.

I've seen them, the car is usuallly parked ahead of traffic rather than towards it. I think they have cameras located in both the front and rear of the car.

Our man in Havana

The insurance data is not live and relies on the honesty of those renewing tax. It is possible to obtain tax with made up details.

CiniO

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The insurance data is not live and relies on the honesty of those renewing tax. It is possible to obtain tax with made up details.

Are you saying, that insurance data which is available to gardai, is obtained from car owners when they provide it for renewing tax?

Isn't there any database which would be provided by insurers?

cadaliac

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The insurance data is not live and relies on the honesty of those renewing tax. It is possible to obtain tax with made up details.

That is what I thought too.

@ bazz26 - they have a camera mounted on the boot lid of the car about the size of a 100mm box of cigarettes, black in colour.
Normally they park up on the side of the road facing the same direction as traffic is travelling.

ex_infantry man

CiniO wrote: »

Are you saying, that insurance data which is available to gardai, is obtained from car owners when they provide it for renewing tax?

Isn't there any database which would be provided by insurers?

come on this is ireland your on about!! if we were anymore backwards we,d be in the stoneage!!!

Delancey

The old saying about IT systems of '' rubbish in , rubbish out '' applies to ANPR , the sytem is only as good or reliable as the databases that support it , everything I've heard about it is that the databases used by the Gardai are pure crap.
Doubtless it will improve in time but for now it's more hot air than substance.

Gran Hermano

It is my understanding that the whole ANPR implementation in Ireland is the usual half baked solution and lacks the real time data link to insurance details.

I renew my tax annually in January and my insurance in June. As I enter my insurance details in January when paying the motor tax, I am lead to believe that the ANPR database will not be updated until the next time I pay motor tax.
This means for 6 months of the year my car will raise a false flag with ANPR.

Our man in Havana

That's the situation at present.

reb73

Gran Hermano wrote: »

It is my understanding that the whole ANPR implementation in Ireland is the usual half baked solution and lacks the real time data link to insurance details.

Not realtime, perhaps, but insurance underwriters do send across insurance signup/renewal info to the ANPR database every working day.. There should be no reason for the database to be out by more than a day or two..

Paddy001

ANPR detects tax at present and it will also detect out of date insurance and if it doesn't, it will very soon as they have been gathering information to set up the system. It is collected mainly from the insurers and the rest from the likes of people with motor trade policies is collected online - all now have login details to an online site where they are meant to update cars they currently have in their lot.
I'm not sure how often it is updated, I have been told it is every Tuesday and Thursday, which could be true as I had a car off the road for months and it was taxed on a Thursday morning before going on the road and I got pulled from an ANPR alarm on the motorway Friday, he came to the window looking very smug telling me he was going to check my discs, he was very disappointed after he had checked them and the reg number against the discs.

Guy:Incognito

Ricardo G wrote: »

Yes, i'm sure we'd all hear about it if it was being enforced, i for one have never heard of an incident where someone was pulled over and told that they were nabbed through ANPR, not saying it does'nt happen. I would imagine that in the next few years all insurnace, tax details will be updated onto the ANPR system

I was stopped early last year. I just got back driving my van after a month or two out with broken fingers. Was not far from home and a Garda car passed me going the other way. I had seen the ANPR camera on the dash so kept an eye on him in the mirror. Sure enough about 15 seconds later he did a U-turn and came after me.

matt-dublin

I got nabbed on it for no tax, I had actually renewed my tax the day before.

When he pulled me over he didn't even check the wallpaper in the car and was real cocky about it.

Me: sticking my head out the window, is there a problem officer (que troll face)

Him: eh you've no tax on this vehhicle (starts writin his ticket)

Me: **** yeah I do! (que bouncing troll face)

Him: as he walks to the front of the car, "sir the database says you don't do I have to issue.... Sometimes the database isn't always up to date"

He then walked off without saying anything.

I was quite contempt with myself and really enjoyed the rest of my drive home then.


Lessons learned: anpr is crap in this country because the Garda database seems to be out of sync with the motor tax database

rebel.ranter

They have to update the system manually with a memory stick from the station to the car, however unreliable the actual database is relying on the manual transfer is a recipe for disaster. They have a link to the insurance database, not the motor tax version of insurance info, it also links to NCT & Motor Tax information.
They were too tight to buy the system is updated real time via a wireless at connection.
That level of unrelability would drive me nuts if I was in the force.

Voodoomelon

I agree.
Why even bother implementing a system like this if the source is not accurate or up to date. Its laughable that in this day and age a police force is still even tasked with physically making sure vehicles have motor tax. Just abolish the tax system as it currently stands, its such a waste of everyones time.

MugMugs

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The insurance data is not live and relies on the honesty of those renewing tax. It is possible to obtain tax with made up details.

We upload ANPR data daily at 2am. The Gardai are given our latest every morning and we're a large insurer.

Run_to_da_hills

ANPR at its best and the way we will soon see it.

Cop drives behind you, your registration is red flagged because you as the registered owner of the vehicle had committed an offence in the past or had some sort of hassle with the law. (Giving lip to cops at Mayo pipeline. )

You could then be asked to get out of the car and questioned and put through the usual mill. Sounds far fetched. its already happening across the water.

Our man in Havana

Indeed. Also the ANPR markers will not die if ownership is changed thus causing innocent people hassle. In the UK you don't ever want to buy a car with a section 59 marker on it. You would never be able to drive it in peace again.

Mucker2020

Just wondering is there any new info on the info above seeing the post is quite old.

Just wondering does anyone know what the story is with these cars now and how do you tell if you have passed one...any tell tale signs etc?

mikeecho

The Garda car will have one or two of these black boxes on the rear roof, or on the boot.



The black box is an infra red light, the camera will be behind the cars window

However, if the garda car looks like this


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Mucker2020

mikeecho wrote: »

The Garda car will have one or two of these black boxes on the rear roof, or on the boot.



The black box is an infra red light, the camera will be behind the cars window

Cheers👠Mike

Does that mean they have to be parked up when in use ?they can't read while moving like can they? And what about at night time...

Sorry for all the questions bundled together?

mikeecho

They work while stationary or moving.
The black box is an infra red light, that illuminates the number plate for nighttime use.

biko

Old thread lock.
Feel free to start fresh threads, no-one will get upset.