Arrogant, rude drivers

hairyprincess

I've been driving the guts of 10 years and I LOVE to drive, I will always be the one to offer to drive on a night out or to bring someone somewhere.

So today, I was driving a relative to a hospital appointment. As we entered the car park, the car in front stopped to let their elderly passanger out of the car, I waited, as did the car behind me. But the next car behind, pulled out and overtook the three of us. *cue sky turning blue*

Next, I was cruising the car park looking for a space, going down a one way lane, when a car came in the opposite direction gesturing wildly for myself and the cars in front and behind me to move! :eek:

What is wrong with these people?!! I won't even mention the one who insisted on taking up two parking spaces :mad::(:confused:

drunkmonkey

If there was room to overtake the car letting someone out you should have overtaken it. Person who overtook done nothing wrong and most people here would have done the same.

tin79

hairyprincess wrote: »

But the next car behind, pulled out and overtook the three of us. *cue sky turning blue*

Dont see the issue here TBH. Once they were not breaking any rules or risking hitting anyone I think its fair enough

CiniO

hairyprincess wrote: »

So today, I was driving a relative to a hospital appointment. As we entered the car park, the car in front stopped to let their elderly passanger out of the car, I waited, as did the car behind me. But the next car behind, pulled out and overtook the three of us. *cue sky turning blue*

Why didn't you overtake the car which stopped?

MidnightQueen

I feel your pain! Happens to me a lot aswell but i'll be honest i'm not the best at parking. LOL I sometimes try to fit into spaces and no matter how i try to straighten it, it always looks to be parked sideways in the space. Ive only had the thing two months.

smcgiff

It being a hospital, any chance these people had a medical emergency and therefore more desperate than rude?

smcgiff

MidnightQueen wrote: »

Ive only had the thing two months.

What, spatial awareness problems?

MidnightQueen

smcgiff wrote: »

What, spatial awareness problems?

LOL. Nah still getting used to a car that doesnt like me in my opinion. Grr..

hairyprincess

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If there was room to overtake the car letting someone out you should have overtaken it. Person who overtook done nothing wrong and most people here would have done the same.

I know they didn't do anything wrong, but when there were others waiting it would have been manners to stay behind

CiniO

hairyprincess wrote: »

I know they didn't do anything wrong, but when there were others waiting it would have been manners to stay behind

But why were there others waiting, if there was a space to proceed?

hairyprincess

smcgiff wrote: »

It being a hospital, any chance these people had a medical emergency and therefore more desperate than rude?

We were nowhere near the emergency department

PaulKK

hairyprincess wrote: »

I know they didn't do anything wrong, but when there were others waiting it would have been manners to stay behind

I think a lot of people get frustrated by unnecessary waiting when driving.

You may be happy to sit and wait for no reason when there was plenty of space to go around, but the 5 cars behind you might not.

By the sounds of it, I probably would have done the same thing.

Bruthal

hairyprincess wrote: »

I know they didn't do anything wrong, but when there were others waiting it would have been manners to stay behind

If there was space to safely proceed, then you should have, there is the problem right there.

hairyprincess

PaulKK wrote: »

I think a lot of people get frustrated by unnecessary waiting when driving.

You may be happy to sit and wait for no reason when there was plenty of space to go around, but the 5 cars behind you might not.

By the sounds of it, I probably would have done the same thing.

I should have explained better, the car that stopped, did so on a turn, me being the car directly behind the stopped car would have seen if there was anything coming in the opposite direction by the car which overtook definitely could not.
I just don't think there's a need for making risky maneuvers for the sake of saving a few seconds. Different strokes and all that

CiniO

hairyprincess wrote: »

I should have explained better, the car that stopped, did so on a turn, me being the car directly behind the stopped car would have seen if there was anything coming in the opposite direction (...)

Why didn't you overtake it then?

dr.fuzzenstein

Well, if the car in front of me is stopped and I have room to get around safely, I do it.
But having said that, if I'm the third car back (or further) I do not overtake.
It does annoy me a bit if a car is stopped and the next car behind it just sits there even though there's ample room to get past.
OP, proceed if it's safe to do so!

hairyprincess

CiniO wrote: »

Why didn't you overtake it then?

Because as I said know there was someone getting out of the car, which was going to take a matter of seconds I didn't see any point in overtaking for the sake of saving a few seconds.

dr.fuzzenstein

hairyprincess wrote: »

Because as I said know there was someone getting out of the car, which was going to take a matter of seconds I didn't see any point in overtaking for the sake of saving a few seconds.

That sounds fair enough.

F-Stop

hairyprincess wrote: »

Because as I said know there was someone getting out of the car, which was going to take a matter of seconds I didn't see any point in overtaking for the sake of saving a few seconds.

Why didn't you just run over that person, you said they were old so they'd hardly even dent your car, and you were at a hospital anyway? Why do people like you insist on being courteous and think of others the whole time, what about me? I need to get to places faster than I currently get to them.

glic71rods46t0

hairyprincess wrote: »

Because as I said know there was someone getting out of the car, which was going to take a matter of seconds I didn't see any point in overtaking for the sake of saving a few seconds.

So in those "few seconds", a queue of at least 3 cars developed and a driver got frustrated to the point of overtaking 3 cars. Either your few seconds is a vast understatement or you choose to stop and wait at an extremely busy place.

corktina

ah leave it out fellers, you werent there and it must have been quite extreme for her to post it up.

dr.fuzzenstein

I once stopped to let a car out of a sidestreet.
Traffic was near a standstill on my road, so it would have made no difference to the car behind me.
The guy I was letting out wasn't paying attention, I flashed a few times and even beeped my horn to get him to look my way so he'd know I was letting him out.
The guy behind me flashed his lights, revved his engine, leaned on his horn for me to move (traffic had moved maybe 10 car lengths and come to a stop again.)
He then overtook me with screeching tires and horn blaring to slot in in front of me.
This was 12-15 years ago and I wasn't as mellow as I am today so I floored it, but he won the drag race.
He then darted in front of me to slam on the brakes so I would crash into him, but I had a feeling he might.
So as he stood on the brakes, I darted round him and slotted back in in front of him.
The same scenario today would play out differently. i would shake my head and sigh, I learnt it's better to be patient for a few seconds, because you might meet the wrong guy and there's no telling what might happen.

johndaman66

I can remember sitting at the traffic lights a few years back. Was maybe 6 - 9 cars between me and the lights and I was at the rear enterance to Limerick fire station. As I would not clear the box junction for the fire station enterance I left it clear. In fact the car in front was slightly inside the box junction. Next thing for no apparent reason the Commercial Pajero behind me mounted the footpath, undertook me and planted himself in the box junction. I can remember thinking to myself what a spastic. The lights were red throughout. If the lights were green and I stalled I could understand perhaps, but nobody was going anywhere.

I can see the other side of the coin too where drivers are overly play the good smararitan. To the point where its not always productive to do so and sometimes to the point of being downright dangerous in certain situations...

S28382

everyone is always in a rush to no where

paddyland

When I am out driving, if you need a gap, you will get one split second from me, and get it with good grace. If you are sharp and paying attention, you go, and get a bloody move on. If you don't go immediately, then evidently you will dawdle and hold me up, and I will be gone ahead of you before you even blink.

If you are behind me, and plan a smart move like driving up on the kerb or using the filter lane to pass me and cut in front, don't even think about it, because I am watching everything constantly, and I have seen it in your eyes before you even move. I am not one of the myriad whose brains switch off as soon as the traffic slows or stops.

I drive hundreds and maybe a thousand miles a week. I don't do it by pottering along at 40km/h, slowing down half a mile before a corner, straddling two lanes at a busy junction, taking seven seconds to pull away at lights, and drifting along a road like a leaf in the wind with no sense of it's own purpose or direction.

I may appear arrogant to you at first glance. If you look closely, you will see I have left you filter space, I am positioned correctly, using the limited available space to everyone's best advantage, I have given you a split second to pull out, I have left the way clear at entrances, gates, box junctions and pedestrian crossings, and I am watching everything going on everywhere, in front and behind. I am slipping through the traffic flow leaving practically no wake at all behind me.

But if you think my courtesy extends to allowing you out in front of me, then to proceed to hold everyone up by bad positioning, dawdling, not paying attention, inconsiderate parking, not indicating properly, and choosing the wrong traffic lane, it doesn't. I will be well gone, because I'll have taken one look at you and known whether you are paying attention or not. Sadly, in most cases, you are not.

I can afford to miss the lights once or twice on a road due to someone else's carelessness and lack of attention. But I cannot afford to have two hours added to a day's driving due to this happening constantly, all day long, due to hundreds of similarly inconsiderate drivers. So don't take it personal. But you get one split second from me to be sharp and go. Or else I'm gone.

Anan1

hairyprincess wrote: »

Because as I said know there was someone getting out of the car, which was going to take a matter of seconds I didn't see any point in overtaking for the sake of saving a few seconds.

That'd be fine if it were just you and the stopped car, but it's a bit (dare I say it) arrogant & rude to impose your choice on the cars stuck behind you.

F-Stop

paddyland wrote: »

When I am out driving, if you need a gap, you will get one split second from me, and get it with good grace. If you are sharp and paying attention, you go, and get a bloody move on. If you don't go immediately, then evidently you will dawdle and hold me up, and I will be gone ahead of you before you even blink.

If you are behind me, and plan a smart move like driving up on the kerb or using the filter lane to pass me and cut in front, don't even think about it, because I am watching everything constantly, and I have seen it in your eyes before you even move. I am not one of the myriad whose brains switch off as soon as the traffic slows or stops.

I drive hundreds and maybe a thousand miles a week. I don't do it by pottering along at 40km/h, slowing down half a mile before a corner, straddling two lanes at a busy junction, taking seven seconds to pull away at lights, and drifting along a road like a leaf in the wind with no sense of it's own purpose or direction.

I may appear arrogant to you at first glance. If you look closely, you will see I have left you filter space, I am positioned correctly, using the limited available space to everyone's best advantage, I have given you a split second to pull out, I have left the way clear at entrances, gates, box junctions and pedestrian crossings, and I am watching everything going on everywhere, in front and behind. I am slipping through the traffic flow leaving practically no wake at all behind me.

But if you think my courtesy extends to allowing you out in front of me, then to proceed to hold everyone up by bad positioning, dawdling, not paying attention, inconsiderate parking, not indicating properly, and choosing the wrong traffic lane, it doesn't. I will be well gone, because I'll have taken one look at you and known whether you are paying attention or not. Sadly, in most cases, you are not.

I can afford to miss the lights once or twice on a road due to someone else's carelessness and lack of attention. But I cannot afford to have two hours added to a day's driving due to this happening constantly, all day long, due to hundreds of similarly inconsiderate drivers. So don't take it personal. But you get one split second from me to be sharp and go. Or else I'm gone.

Are you Batman? I'm just surprised you didn't write all that in the third person - it would have been even more dramatic.

If you are behind HIM, and plan a smart move like driving up on the kerb or using the filter lane to pass HIM and cut in front, don't even think about it, because HE is watching everything constantly, and HE has seen it in your eyes before you even move. HE is not one of the myriad whose brains switch off as soon as the traffic slows or stops.

See?

Anan1

F-Stop wrote: »

Are you Batman? I'm just surprised you didn't write all that in the third person - it would have been even more dramatic.

Delivery aside, just imagine how easy and relaxed driving would be if everyone drove like that.

F-Stop

Anan1 wrote: »

That'd be fine if it were just you and the stopped car, but it's a bit (dare I say it) arrogant & rude to impose your choice on the cars stuck behind you.

Are we really criticising people for having a bit of courtesy now? I mean where are these other car drivers going to get to faster? They are already pretty much at their destination and if they obey the queue without being jerks in the carpark (which is a different topic) nothing changes by waiting a few seconds.

Part of being a good driver is about being courteous. Courteous driving is about being aware of traffic. That usually means being aware of what is in front of you. A car deciding to stop in an inappropriate spot in a carpark at a hospital to let an elderly person out is not the car following's "choice", but her waiting a minute or two is not arrogant or rude.

F-Stop

Anan1 wrote: »

Delivery aside, just imagine how easy and relaxed driving would be if everyone drove like that.

I agree to a point. I am all on for courtesy towards other road users - motorists, cyclists, pedestrians, even those goats up at the Scalp. But traffic is like the weather conditions, unpredictable and not worth getting angry over. I'll adjust my driving to avoid a situation with a drunk/mindlessly unaware/slow/etc driver rather than put both them and myself in more danger. I'm not Batman.

Anan1

F-Stop wrote: »

Are we really criticising people for having a bit of courtesy now?

What's courteous about stopping? I can't see how it has any effect on the stopped car. On the contrary, it's rude to the cars behind.

F-Stop wrote: »

I mean where are these other car drivers going to get to faster? They are already pretty much at their destination and if they obey the queue without being jerks in the carpark (which is a different topic) nothing changes by waiting a few seconds.

You mean the needlessly created queue? What gives you the right to decide how valuable or otherwise the time of others is?

F-Stop wrote: »

Part of being a good driver is about being courteous. Courteous driving is about being aware of traffic. That usually means being aware of what is in front of you.

Absolutely.

F-Stop wrote: »

A car deciding to stop in an inappropriate spot in a carpark at a hospital to let an elderly person out is not the car following's "choice", but her waiting a minute or two is not arrogant or rude.

Yes it is, if it's safe to pass.

F-Stop

Anan1 wrote: »

What's courteous about stopping? I can't see how it has any effect on the stopped car. On the contrary, it's rude to the cars behind.

There was an obstruction on her side of the road - it would have been rude and arrogant to block the flow of traffic on the other side. This does come down to opinion and seeing as neither of us were there is kind of moot.

You mean the needlessly created queue? What gives you the right to decide how valuable or otherwise the time of others is?

That's a bit loaded. We don't know how needless this was, and again you are focussing on the 'second' car, without knowing what was going on with the 'first' car and arguing from the point of view of someone with that lack of knowledge in the 'third' or 'fourth' or 'fifth' car.

Yes it is, if it's safe to pass.

Exactly my point. Thank you.

Mc Love

Was coming onto a M-way and there was space in the overtaking lane and the driver wouldnt move into it. You could see her shaking her head as the car in front of me was gesturing for them to pull out! Crazy stuff

Compton

Mc Love wrote: »

Was coming onto a M-way and there was space in the overtaking lane and the driver wouldnt move into it. You could see her shaking her head as the car in front of me was gesturing for them to pull out! Crazy stuff

I have seen similar!! They seem to genuinely not understand why people are flashing and putting the right indicator on while going 80km/h

Anan1

F-Stop wrote: »

There was an obstruction on her side of the road - it would have been rude and arrogant to block the flow of traffic on the other side. This does come down to opinion and seeing as neither of us were there is kind of moot.

I'm under the impression that the OP said it would have been safe for them to pass the stopped car. Clearly if it wasn't then the OP would have been right to wait.

To sum up, it's dangerous to go where it's not safe to, but it's equally selfish to stop and block cars behind one where it's safe to proceed. Can we agree on that?:)

Anan1

Mc Love wrote: »

Was coming onto a M-way and there was space in the overtaking lane and the driver wouldnt move into it. You could see her shaking her head as the car in front of me was gesturing for them to pull out! Crazy stuff

?? You should be able to merge without expecting traffic already on the motorway to change lane for you.

shblob wrote: »

I have seen similar!! They seem to genuinely not understand why people are flashing and putting the right indicator on while going 80km/h

On the on-ramp? The on ramp is for accelerating to motorway speeds, ie 100-120km/h - you should never attempt to join a motorway at 80km/h. Or am I missing something?

Compton

The OP wasn't in a hurry, maybe the people behind her were?

F-Stop

Anan1 wrote: »

I'm under the impression that the OP said it would have been safe for them to pass the stopped car. Clearly if it wasn't then the OP would have been right to wait.

To sum up, it's dangerous to go where it's not safe to, but it's equally selfish to stop and block cars behind one where it's safe to proceed. Can we agree on that?:)

Yeah, we can definitely agree on that.

F-Stop

Anan1 wrote: »

?? You should be able to merge without expecting traffic already on the motorway to change lane for you.On the on-ramp? The on ramp is for accelerating to motorway speeds, ie 100-120km/h - you should never attempt to join a motorway at 80km/h. Or am I missing something?

See? I totally agree with you on this.

Bruthal

F-Stop wrote: »

There was an obstruction on her side of the road - it would have been rude and arrogant to block the flow of traffic on the other side. This does come down to opinion and seeing as neither of us were there is kind of moot.

The OP already said they had a view ahead, but the car that went past didnt, (in the OP`s opinion)

But if the car that went past, was able to, and the OP had a clear view from their position, then clearly the way was clear for the OP to safely pass before the other car did. But they chose to sit there.

An event often seen in car parks for no good reason.

Bruthal

Anan1 wrote: »

To sum up, it's dangerous to go where it's not safe to, but it's equally selfish to stop and block cars behind one where it's safe to proceed.

I wouldnt say selfish myself in many cases like the situation here, they just dont know what to do except sit and wait.

F-Stop

robbie7730 wrote: »

The OP already said they had a view ahead, but the car that went past didnt, (in the OP`s opinion)

But if the car that went past, was able to, and the OP had a clear view from their position, then clearly the way was clear for the OP to safely pass before the other car did. But they chose to sit there.

To be fair, they did also say that the stopped car was letting an eldery passenger out. It was a carpark, no one was being delayed reaching their destination - they were already there. Anyway, I think I've flogged this nag enough and I have no connection to the OP so I won't fight her corner anymore.

JUST TO BE CLEAR: I wasn't arguing on behalf of the OP, I was arguing that common courtesy is not a bad thing.

Mc Love

Anan1 wrote: »

?? You should be able to merge without expecting traffic already on the motorway to change lane for you.On the on-ramp? The on ramp is for accelerating to motorway speeds, ie 100-120km/h - you should never attempt to join a motorway at 80km/h. Or am I missing something?

Yeah I had to slow down, move in behind her and then over take her. The car in front of me had to speed up to move in front of her even though there was someone in front of them. The slip lane is very short. I overtook her and so did the car that was behind me. The fact is she wouldnt pull into the overtaking lane to let people out when there was no traffic in the overtaking lane.

Very hard to accelerate to 100/120km/h on a slip road in a queue of traffic if there are cars in front of you doing 80km/h

Bruthal

F-Stop wrote: »

JUST TO BE CLEAR: I wasn't arguing on behalf of the OP, I was arguing that common courtesy is not a bad thing.

True, but waiting when unecessary wouldnt really be courteous in itself. If the way is not clear to get passed the stopped car, the oncomming cars have the right of way anyway.

But i see your point.

Marcin_diy

I hate when other drivers stop behind the bus on the bus stop and block the possibility to pass that bus as they stop close to the middle line of the road and are afraid to overtake due to oncoming traffic.
Dear drivers of small fiats and micras- you don't drive a lorry or a bus. there is a room to overtake bus in 90% of cases. If you don't plan to overtake - hide behind the bus, don't stop in the middle of.the.road....

F-Stop

Marcin_diy wrote: »

I hate when other drivers stop behind the bus on the bus stop and block the possibility to pass that bus as they stop close to the middle line of the road and are afraid to overtake due to oncoming traffic.
Dear drivers of small fiats and micras- you don't drive a lorry or a bus. there is a room to overtake bus in 90% of cases. If you don't plan to overtake - hide behind the bus, don't stop in the middle of.the.road....

Firstly, you have no clue what the driver of the car in front of you iis aware of. Secondly you can only know anything about what is ahead of that 'problem' car after you have overtaken it. None of that smells of courtesy to fellow road users. You might be right, but you very well might be wrong. Don't worry about the traffic behind you, focus on what might be in front of you.

yourpics

I hate when you are on a narrow road and wait for someone at a wide spot, but they don't salute, wave or flash the lights. It's just common decency!

Also I hate when someone has a wide place to pull in but continues on and you either end up passing in a tight place or having to reverse back.

F-Stop

I hate when the bottle of coke goes flat when you leave it in the fridge. That really grinds my gears.

Anan1

Mc Love wrote: »

Yeah I had to slow down, move in behind her and then over take her. The car in front of me had to speed up to move in front of her even though there was someone in front of them. The slip lane is very short. I overtook her and so did the car that was behind me. The fact is she wouldnt pull into the overtaking lane to let people out when there was no traffic in the overtaking lane.

Very hard to accelerate to 100/120km/h on a slip road in a queue of traffic if there are cars in front of you doing 80km/h

Sounds like none of you knew how join a motorway, TBH. If your path isn't clear then stop at the start of the slip road and wait until it is. Under no circumstances should you ever arrive at the end of a motorway slip road doing 80km/h - it's highly dangerous.

Bruthal

Anan1 wrote: »

Sounds like none of you knew how join a motorway, TBH. If your path isn't clear then stop at the start of the slip road and wait until it is. Under no circumstances should you ever arrive at the end of a motorway slip road doing 80km/h - it's highly dangerous.

So its stop at the top of the slip road, blocking a roundabout and other cars on it, until the 80kph car has merged at the bottom?

At what point following the car that wont go above this 80kph, would you know they are going to stop accelerating down the ramp? It wont be when your at the top of it.

Mc Love

Anan1 wrote: »

Sounds like none of you knew how join a motorway, TBH. If your path isn't clear then stop at the start of the slip road and wait until it is. Under no circumstances should you ever arrive at the end of a motorway slip road doing 80km/h - it's highly dangerous.

I would love to see you try this on any one of our fine motorways in lets say rush hour traffic? or do you actually live on this planet?