Is Wheat slowly killing you?

SteelyDanJalapeno

The whole wheat and gluten discussion has been coming up more and more often over the past year, its been proven that removed from your diet that you will see health benefits, wether it be for losing weight or reducing inflammation. But is it even more dangerous than a lot of people realize?

Here's a great article, albeit, imo a bit over the top on the scaremongering, but it validates some striking facts with referenced researched studies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/18/wheat-gluten_n_1274872.html

There is no difference between whole wheat and white flour here. The biggest scam perpetrated on the unsuspecting public is the inclusion of "whole grains" in many processed foods full of sugar and wheat, giving the food a virtuous glow. The best way to avoid foods that are bad for you is to stay away from foods with health claims on the labels. They are usually hiding something bad.


In people with diabetes, both white and whole grain bread raises blood sugar levels 70 to 120 mg/dl over starting levels. We know that foods with a high glycemic index make people store belly fat, trigger hidden fires of inflammation in the body and give you a fatty liver, leading the whole cascade of obesity, pre-diabetes and diabetes. This problem now affects every other American and is the major driver of nearly all chronic disease and most our health care costs. Diabetes now sucks up one in three Medicare dollars.

Full-blown celiac disease is an autoimmune disease that triggers body-wide inflammation triggering insulin resistance, which causes weight gain and diabetes, as well as over 55 conditions including autoimmune diseases, irritable bowel, reflux, cancer, depression, osteoporosis and more.

So with all the recent Paleo and Primal diets and discussions popping up, most really in essence revolve around removing wheat from our diet, I think its due a bit of a discussion.

Whats you thoughts on the article? how does wheat affect you? have you ever tried giving it up for a few weeks? how did you respond?

cojomo2

TiltedBrain wrote: »

The whole wheat and gluten discussion has been coming up more and more often over the past year, its been proven that removed from your diet that you will see health benefits, wether it be for losing weight or reducing inflammation. But is it even more dangerous than a lot of people realize?

Here's a great article, albeit, imo a bit over the top on the scaremongering, but it validates some striking facts with referenced researched studies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/02/18/wheat-gluten_n_1274872.html





So with all the recent Paleo and Primal diets and discussions popping up, most really in essence revolve around removing wheat from our diet, I think its due a bit of a discussion.

Whats you thoughts on the article? how does wheat affect you? have you ever tried giving it up for a few weeks? how did you respond?

I've been thinking about this. In the last year, I've had a host of annoying medical issues, before that there was no bother on me.

The following has happened me in the last 18 month:

- Severe Skin rash when the body heats up (usually after exercise)..been told its ''cholinergic urticaria'' - no cure, no apparent cause.

-Abdominal pain early every morning that remains until I get out of bed, at which point it clears very quickly.

- Sore joints- first noticed about 12 months ago- had to give up football because of unexplained pain in my toe joint when kicking the ball. Has since spread all over my back and pain in chronic and can be severe . Maked me feel like a 70 yr old.

- Digestive issues, IBS type symptoms, this comes and goes.


Seriously thinking about cutting out wheat, but how long would I have to cut it out for to find out if it could be the cause of my symptoms? I guess I'd have to say good bye to beer? Do spirits and cider have wheat?

Thanks.

SteelyDanJalapeno

cojomo2 wrote: »

I've been thinking about this. In the last year, I've had a host of annoying medical issues, before that there was no bother on me.

The following has happened me in the last 18 month:

- Severe Skin rash when the body heats up (usually after exercise)..been told its ''cholinergic urticaria'' - no cure, no apparent cause.

-Abdominal pain early every morning that remains until I get out of bed, at which point it clears very quickly.

- Sore joints- first noticed about 12 months ago- had to give up football because of unexplained pain in my toe joint when kicking the ball. Has since spread all over my back and pain in chronic and can be severe . Maked me feel like a 70 yr old.

- Digestive issues, IBS type symptoms, this comes and goes.


Seriously thinking about cutting out wheat, but how long would I have to cut it out for to find out if it could be the cause of my symptoms? I guess I'd have to say good bye to beer? Do spirits and cider have wheat?

Thanks.

According to the article 6 weeks, but you should notice changes within a week or 2,

I gave it all up nearly 14 months ago, so many issues cleared up on my body it was crazy, rashes disappeared, I suffered with an awful big verruca for 5 - 6 years and some smaller ones, now i'm not one to bullsh*t but these completely disappeared after a couple of months, now more bloating, still get the odd ache here and there after training obviously, but I really cannot think of any negative effects it would have for someone to cut it out for the 6 weeks as an experiment.

Yes you'll have to cut out the beer and some spirits, but you can still drink most Ciders ( all very high in sugar thou) and Tequilla! there are some more spirits, cant think of them off the top of my head and there is some wheat free beers, i've never tried them thou.

I'm gonna add, I got tested by my GP and do have an intolerance to wheat and gluten of all types, its a minor coeliac case,

also i'm not suggesting that wheat caused any of my health problems as there no proof for that, but taking out of my diet definitely allowed my immune to stop constantly defending my body from the wheat bi-products, and focus more of its energy on other ailments like the verruca i mentioned, ick i know!


edit, oh and any ibs issues have dissapeared for me, only flair once i touch wheat, even indirectly or unknowingly, its a sure fire indication that wheat has crept in somewhere earlier that day.

Gummy Panda

What about oats?

I heard they're gluten free but still cause the same issues as gluten

SteelyDanJalapeno

I stay away from oats as they're usually processed and grown together with wheat and cross contamination is highly likely, i've introduced them a couple of times with bad reactions, again thou, its possibly different for every case so remove it for a couple of weeks andd then try it again and note the effects?

Oryx

I gave up wheat over a year ago, prior to that I had similar issues to whats mentioned here... early morning pain, ibs issues, general discomfort and bloating. But it was mostly prompted by my mothers experience. She had got to a severe level of ill health, diverticulitis with bleeding, fibromyalgia, and a host of other things. It got to an acute stage after an illness, when her weight dropped and she was very ill. Doctors did not diagnose coeliac disease (Im not sure they even checked) and had no cure bar removing some of her gut. On an instinct, she gave up wheat. Three months later, her weight had stabilised, and her symptoms were gone. I mean completely, no bloating, no pain, the diverticulitis became symptomless. Roughly 7 years later she is a picture of health, but if she as much as gets a sniff of wheat, she is in serious pain.

As I seem to have inherited every other trait the woman has, I thought Id better give up wheat before I got to the acute stage she did! I dont miss it, and feel good. I always know if Ive eaten something dodgy, because the ibs flares up again.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Oryx wrote: »

I always know if Ive eaten something dodgy, because the ibs flares up again.

Exact same, its like a big alarm goes immediately.

Park Royal

Can someone please say what to avoid, is it just all breads, tarts, cakes,

biscuits, muesli ?.......

thanks.....:o

Gummy Panda

TiltedBrain,

Did you replace the carbs from grains with another source?

I ask this cause sometimes the sudden debloat is due to dropping a lot carbs and water

Oryx

Park Royal wrote: »

Can someone please say what to avoid, is it just all breads, tarts, cakes,

biscuits, muesli ?.......

thanks.....:o

You need to check the ingredients on everything. Bread, cake, pasta, wraps, batter, soup, soy sauce, gravy, any savoury sauce, anything with crumb coating, most breakfast cereals, chinese food, and on and on. Most are obvious but all need to be checked for the presence of wheat. And thats not a comprehensive list, just what I could think of!

SteelyDanJalapeno

Gummy Panda wrote: »

TiltedBrain,

Did you replace the carbs from grains with another source?

I ask this cause sometimes the sudden debloat is due to dropping a lot carbs and water

Your right, the de-bloat would be due to cutting out the "starchy carbs", iirc a starch cell can hold 4 times its weight in water, so go figure, makes sense too if you put a slice of bread in water it will become alot heavier than expected.

tbh, I'm more of a low carbohydrate diet balance, i'd get most of my energy from higher fat foods and dont really need that many carbs, but then ones I do take in would be in the form of vegetables.

Gummy Panda

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Gummy Panda wrote: »

TiltedBrain,

Did you replace the carbs from grains with another source?

I ask this cause sometimes the sudden debloat is due to dropping a lot carbs and water

Your right, the de-bloat would be due to cutting out the "starchy carbs", iirc a starch cell can hold 4 times its weight in water, so go figure, makes sense too if you put a slice of bread in water it will become alot heavier than expected.

tbh, I'm more of a low carbohydrate diet balance, i'd get most of my energy from higher fat foods and dont really need that many carbs, but then ones I do take in would be in the form of vegetables.

Do you lift weights?

I find recover hard on low carb and find I wipe out very fast. Probably the intensity and under estimating the calorie deficit I am in

SteelyDanJalapeno

I do yeah, but i'd be out of my depth in giving advice on them compared to some of the posters on here, hopefully a few can add their opinion.

I dont have any issues with recovery being linked to carbs, I just make sure i get about 1.5 grams of protein times my body weight in kg's so roughly 140 grams on lifting days,

I tend to tire quicker on long distance runs on lower carb all the same, in contrast I feel I perform better on hiit while on low carb, everything is a bit more "explosive" for want of a better description.

edit, my post went off topic to my own original post and i didnt even notice, could be more suited to a new thread.

Doctor_Socks

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Do you lift weights?

I find recover hard on low carb and find I wipe out very fast. Probably the intensity and under estimating the calorie deficit I am in

I found that happened to me after I eliminated grains from my diet aswell, I just substituted it with a ton of veg!! The nutrients in the veg help recovery along aswell so another plus there. I also have a lot of rice before training to help bump up the carb intake for heavy sessions. It takes a while to get used to it but I feel i'm a lot more focused in the gym now after a feed of veg a few hours beforehand.

Redisle

I went mostly paleo/wheat-free about a month ago now and while I didn't have any major health issues to recover from I have lost weight and I do generally have more energy and less of an appetite. I also have a few relatives with celiac disease and I used to notice in that past that I wouldn't feel great after certain wheat products so maybe I even have some mild wheat intolerance.

Something else I have noticed looking back is that Pasta was not at all satisfying. I used to eat Brown ("good") pasta for lunch at times and even after a huge plate I did not feel full. This used to confuse me in that Pasta is commonly seen as fuel for athletes etc.. It does make sense in the context that wheat isn't really a natural food for our bodies however.

Another thing which this article does not mention is the problems associated with Phytic acid consumption. This is present in large amounts in most wheat based products and is often even worse in "whole grain" produce. It acts as an anti-nutrient and reduces the amount of minerals and vitamins that your body can absorb.

LCD

What are wheat free people's thouights on Spelt? Also standard corn (the yellow kernels frozen, canned, on the cob)

Oryx

LCD wrote: »

What are wheat free people's thouights on Spelt? Also standard corn (the yellow kernels frozen, canned, on the cob)

Corn seems fine (cornflour, sweetcorn). Spelt I avoid, based on my mother being unable to tolerate it, I just dont bother, in case.

opinion guy

cojomo2 wrote: »

- Sore joints- first noticed about 12 months ago- had to give up football because of unexplained pain in my toe joint when kicking the ball. Has since spread all over my back and pain in chronic and can be severe . Maked me feel like a 70 yr old.

Have you been to a doctor with this ? If not, go.

cojomo2

opinion guy wrote: »

Have you been to a doctor with this ? If not, go.

I have yeah. At first I was sent for a toe/foot xray..nothing showed up so the doc said just to give it rest. I did, and it came back when I resumed football so I stopped. Sometime later, I noticed a similar pain developing in the same place on my other foot, I noticed it when I would go down on my hunkers to get something from bottom shelf in supermarket etc.

Then I stopped football and the pain wasn't really an issue. Couple months later and was doing weighst (bench press) and I felt a twinge/strain in my upper left back inside my shoulder blade. A different doc (was away) thought it was a trapped nerve and gave me exercises to do. This strain developed into bad pain in the effected area and also the front left chest.

Doc sent me for chest xray and later ct scan..all clear. The pain is got worse and can feel it in my bones i.e not a strain /muscle pain. Back to doc, he mentioned the possibility of arthritis but thought it unusual for my age. He sent me for blood tests about 6 weeks ago, haven't heard back and will follow up soon.

Really hope I get to the bottom of it as it is quite depressing. I think it may be related to the skin issue, as in some sort of auto immune thing ...hopefully not too serious..sorry for the long post!

opinion guy

cojomo2 wrote: »

I have yeah. At first I was sent for a toe/foot xray..nothing showed up so the doc said just to give it rest. I did, and it came back when I resumed football so I stopped. Sometime later, I noticed a similar pain developing in the same place on my other foot, I noticed it when I would go down on my hunkers to get something from bottom shelf in supermarket etc.

Then I stopped football and the pain wasn't really an issue. Couple months later and was doing weighst (bench press) and I felt a twinge/strain in my upper left back inside my shoulder blade. A different doc (was away) thought it was a trapped nerve and gave me exercises to do. This strain developed into bad pain in the effected area and also the front left chest.

Doc sent me for chest xray and later ct scan..all clear. The pain is got worse and can feel it in my bones i.e not a strain /muscle pain. Back to doc, he mentioned the possibility of arthritis but thought it unusual for my age. He sent me for blood tests about 6 weeks ago, haven't heard back and will follow up soon.

Really hope I get to the bottom of it as it is quite depressing. I think it may be related to the skin issue, as in some sort of auto immune thing ...hopefully not too serious..sorry for the long post!

Go back to the doctor and if the test has not shown something up, tell him/her to write you a referal letter to a rheumatologist. Privately preferably - there are huge waiting lists for public rheumatology outpatient appointments. If you have health insurance with outpatient cover that might cover it, alternatively think about paying for it yourself.

cojomo2

opinion guy wrote: »

Go back to the doctor and if the test has not shown something up, tell him/her to write you a referal letter to a rheumatologist. Privately preferably - there are huge waiting lists for public rheumatology outpatient appointments. If you have health insurance with outpatient cover that might cover it, alternatively think about paying for it yourself.

cheers will do that in the next few days. Unfortunately I don't have health insurance and going private isn't an option at the moment, so might as well get on a waiting list now.

opinion guy

cojomo2 wrote: »

cheers will do that in the next few days. Unfortunately I don't have health insurance and going private isn't an option at the moment, so might as well get on a waiting list now.

I hear ya. I went to see one about 2004 or 5 and had to wait 9 months and apparently that wasn't bad :eek:

So think about putting aside 20/30/40euro a week for a few months to get in privately - it could still work out quicker.

the keen edge

I don't have a wheat allergy, however I do reckon wheat is the source of my pot belly!.

What do the proponents of going wheat free think of the idea of someone significantly reducing their wheat intake.
Would the some of the benefits still be acquire, albeit at a reduced level.

Wheat makes up such a massive part of my diet. I don't particularly mean in terms of calorific volume; rather that it is the food stuff that brings my meals together.

I eat a little amount of bread, however I would use a supposedly healthy wholemeal pitta as a tasty edible delivery vehicle to get large amount of salad and meat into my face!
My weekly treat is invariably so type of cake.

I know there are alternatives to these, but I really doubt that I could completely cut the wheat out.

To surmise, do you have to commit fully when going wheat free.

I remember hearing before, (how accurate this is I don't know), that wheat accounts for one third of all calories consumed globally!.

Daisy M

cojomo2 wrote: »

cheers will do that in the next few days. Unfortunately I don't have health insurance and going private isn't an option at the moment, so might as well get on a waiting list now.

Get your doc to refer you to local clinic/hosp for physio there may be a waiting list but the difference it will make is unbelievable. I have arthritis and when my gp reccommended having physio for neck pain I was sceptical but it was great as were the exercises I was shown to do myself I rarely need to go to physio anymore as I continue these exercises all the time.

NiCiarain

the keen edge wrote: »

I don't have a wheat allergy, however I do reckon wheat is the source of my pot belly!.

I have a question on this

According to the acrticle in the OP;

We know that foods with a high glycemic index make people store belly fat

Is that really true? I thought that where you store fat is genetics rather than type of food.

I can understand how wheat would cause a pot belly from the bloating effects but thats just water/air rather than fat. Would removing high GI goods like starchy wheat products really eliminate fat stored on someones belly? Or prevent someone storing fat on their belly?

Zamboni

TiltedBrain wrote: »

So with all the recent Paleo and Primal diets and discussions popping up, most really in essence revolve around removing wheat from our diet, I think its due a bit of a discussion.

Whats you thoughts on the article? how does wheat affect you? have you ever tried giving it up for a few weeks? how did you respond?

I went 100% paleo about a year and a half ago.
My decade long acid reflux suffering vanished. Causation or correlation, I don't know, but I'm chuffed it's gone.
Now I operate at about 80-90% paleo.
I do eat porridge, rice and sweet potato as I'm trying to gain weight and consuming mass calories on paleo is brutally expensive.
And I the odd time I go to the cinema I will have popcorn :eek

I felt better off wheat than I did when I gave up smoking.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Zamboni wrote: »

I went 100% paleo about a year and a half ago.
My decade long acid reflux suffering vanished. Causation or correlation, I don't know, but I'm chuffed it's gone.
Now I operate at about 80-90% paleo.
I do eat porridge, rice and sweet potato as I'm trying to gain weight and consuming mass calories on paleo is brutally expensive.
And I the odd time I go to the cinema I will have popcorn :eek

I felt better off wheat than I did when I gave up smoking.

What made you choose to make switch back then?

I agree, it can be expensive at times, Wheat must be cheapest filler making all the crap so affordable.

FastFuse

I'm not on the Paleo diet, but I dropped the wheat about three months ago. It was difficult around Christmas. Once I got my head around the idea of replacing the portion of bread/pasta in a given meal with more veg, or more variety of veg, it became easier, and eventually habit. I had no ailments of note but I was finding it hard to shift the slight pot belly, despite training effectively and my overall physique being very good (I'm 5'11" & 11.5 stone). However, dropping the wheat has changed that - no bloat.

As well as that it has left me with improved energy levels throughout the day. No mid-morning slump after having toast/Shredded Wheat/Weatabix for breakfast, no afternoon drowsiness after a pasta/bread heavy lunch, and gone is the snooze after dinner. I didn't compromise portion size - in fact it increased which was to my benefit.

There was a re-lapse couple of weeks ago. Pizza. I felt like crap for three days. It won't be happening again.

That's my experience anyway. Make if it what you will.

Transform

FastFuse wrote: »

I'm not on the Paleo diet, but I dropped the wheat about three months ago. It was difficult around Christmas. Once I got my head around the idea of replacing the portion of bread/pasta in a given meal with more veg, or more variety of veg, it became easier, and eventually habit. I had no ailments of note but I was finding it hard to shift the slight pot belly, despite training effectively and my overall physique being very good (I'm 5'11" & 11.5 stone). However, dropping the wheat has changed that - no bloat.

As well as that it has left me with improved energy levels throughout the day. No mid-morning slump after having toast/Shredded Wheat/Weatabix for breakfast, no afternoon drowsiness after a pasta/bread heavy lunch, and gone is the snooze after dinner. I didn't compromise portion size - in fact it increased which was to my benefit.

There was a re-lapse couple of weeks ago. Pizza. I felt like crap for three days. It won't be happening again.

That's my experience anyway. Make if it what you will.

I hear and see these exact stories daily

the groutch

think this is a case of ignorance being bliss.
if you were to read into every study saying X is bad for you because it increases the risk of X disease, you'd end up starving to death because you'd be afraid to eat anything.

SteelyDanJalapeno

the groutch wrote: »

think this is a case of ignorance being bliss.
if you were to read into every study saying X is bad for you because it increases the risk of X disease, you'd end up starving to death because you'd be afraid to eat anything.

I'd disagree with that tbh,

I listen to my body and how it responds to what I do to it, wheat in essence is the cheapest form of calories, it makes up the majority of processed foods that are sold in our super markets today.

It's too big a coincidence that disease such as diabetes, celiac based diseases, obesity, leaky gut and digestive system type cancers are all on a somewhat exponential rise in the last 100 odd years in the Western world.

El_Dangeroso

TiltedBrain wrote: »

It's too big a coincidence that disease such as diabetes, celiac based diseases, obesity, leaky gut and digestive system type cancers are all on a somewhat exponential rise in the last 100 odd years in the Western world.

I hate to play devil's advocate against wheat but they ate more wheat in 1900 than they did today. They weren't very healthy though.

Gummy Panda

TiltedBrain wrote: »

It's too big a coincidence that disease such as diabetes, celiac based diseases, obesity, leaky gut and digestive system type cancers are all on a somewhat exponential rise in the last 100 odd years in the Western world.

Or we're consuming more calories then ever and adding more processed foods into our food supply.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Or we're consuming more calories then ever and adding more processed foods into our food supply.

Yes.... and I bet the majority of them for a lot of people is processed wheat

rocky

TiltedBrain wrote: »

Yes.... and I bet the majority of them for a lot of people is processed wheat

US based data:

http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/wheat/background.htm

Wheat consumption dropped from over 225 pounds per person in 1879 to 180 pounds in 1925 before bottoming out at 110 pounds in 1972. By 1997, consumption had rebounded to 147 pounds per capita.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/wheat/2011baseline.htm

The sharp decline in domestic food use of wheat since 2000—arising from changing consumer preferences—appears to have ended with future growth likely to be limited to population growth.

I'm gluten free for the best part of a year now and see good results.

Oryx

I had also heard that the chorleywood method of baking bread was part of the problem.

http://www.allotment.org.uk/allotment_foods/bread-making/chorleywood-bread-process.php

Aseth

I recently thought about having problems with gluten after spotting somewhere a book claiming wheat is making us sick. Also I was on paleo diet for a while and within a month I lost nearly 10 kilos and never felt better(yep, you guessed it - no wheat/flour allowed on this one). Now I'm again on a light diet(had a wisdom tooth removed) - mainly diary and feel much better. And I thought it might be something I should look into it.
I never thought that even gluten sensitivity might cause such serious health problems. After reading several articles on the issue I am seriously considering removing all wheat from my diet... I will miss beer a lot

This thread is also very helpful - kind of funny it was started just when I needed that kind of info ^^

Red Cortina

That article on breadmaking is very interesting.

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I hate to play devil's advocate against wheat but they ate more wheat in 1900 than they did today. They weren't very healthy though.

This really interests me. Why were they so unhealthy? Smoking? Certainly wouldn't have been for a lack of exercise...

Chuck Stone

Poor old wheat.

Very few people know the fact that our modern civilization (as we see it today) has to thank cultivation of cereal (especially wheat), that occured during the period 12000 to 8000 BCE. Prior to that humans sustenance depended on hunting and gathering.

Source

Such a bad rap for such an important plant.

Aseth

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Poor old wheat.

Such a bad rap for such an important plant.

A lot of people feel better after removing wheat from their diet - you can't dismiss that. Also someone already posted a link showing that the wheat we eat now is completely different from the one our ancestors have eaten thousands of years ago.

But of course nobody forces anyone to eat or not to eat certain foods - it's completely at your discretion.

miller82

has anyone got any simple tips for foods to replace wheat products like pasta and bread without changing your meals completley ????

Stench Blossoms

Plan your meals around a protein source rather than a carb.

Like chicken, steak or eggs.

If you look at the primal/paleo thread there is some links to paleo websites and I'm pretty sure I saw an alternative to pasta there (think it was shredded courgette).

I don't eat wheat. I haven't for some time now. I did eat wraps but cut them out about 4 months ago. I don't know if I noticed a major difference because I didn't just cut it out all at once. Maybe if I reintroduced it to my diet I'd notice a change but not planning on doing that.

yuppies

Not wanting to pull this thread too off-track, but what's the general consensus here regarding oats/porridge in comparison to wheat? Do oats cause many of the same problems as wheat? I notice that I often get a feeling of gas in my stomach about 2 hours after eating porridge in the morning

SteelyDanJalapeno

yuppies wrote: »

Not wanting to pull this thread too off-track, but what's the general consensus here regarding oats/porridge in comparison to wheat? Do oats cause many of the same problems as wheat? I notice that I often get a feeling of gas in my stomach about 2 hours after eating porridge in the morning

TiltedBrain wrote: »

I stay away from oats as they're usually processed and grown together with wheat and cross contamination is highly likely, i've introduced them a couple of times with bad reactions, again thou, its possibly different for every case so remove it for a couple of weeks andd then try it again and note the effects?

It was already briefly mentioned, I think it depends on what your looking to get out of taking Wheat out of your diet, if its weight loss, you'd be better off dropping oats too imo as insulin levels will rise a fair bit after oats.

But if its just because you want to remove the negative effects of wheat from your diet, well then i'd say remove oats for maybe 2 weeks and re introduce them and see how your body reacts to them, a lot of oats would be processed in the same areas as wheat and depending on a persons tolerance it could cause a reaction. I think that would be the extreme side of things all the same.

Stench Blossoms

I would love to remove oats but I love them too much.

Breakfast porridge is my favourite meal of the day

SteelyDanJalapeno

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

I would love to remove oats but I love them too much.

Breakfast porridge is my favourite meal of the day

I find eggs to be the perfect replacement.

Stench Blossoms

I can't carry eggs with me to work though (and I don't like egg yokes either - I can eat them scrambled but not in their 'whole' form)

miller82

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Breakfast porridge is my favourite meal of the day

me too. Not sure i want to get rid of porridge. Will try to get rid of wheat and grains elsewhere though. Part-time paleo

Stench Blossoms

Quiona flakes are suppose to be good. I've yet to try them though.

El_Dangeroso

Red Cortina wrote: »

This really interests me. Why were they so unhealthy? Smoking? Certainly wouldn't have been for a lack of exercise...

Lack of knowledge about santation, germs, smoking, contaminated food, vitamin and mineral deficiencies.

Wheat is definitely not a force for good in the modern diet in my view, whether that is modern breeding techniques, preparation techniques, chemical additives etc. I'm not sure. It's associated with a load of mental and digestive illness. There are few illnesses that aren't improved by excluding wheat.

I'd recommend anyone to try giving it up for two weeks just to make you realise how reliant on one little plant we have become. Plus if you replace it with veg I fail to see a downside. Oh, though make sure that you eat a good source of choline as wheat contains betaine which sort of does the same thing, so include eggs in your diet.

Rocky, in that pic bread consumption starts going down in the early 2000's. Believe it or not the obesity epidemic started levelling off around the same time, just sayin' :pac:

Gummy Panda

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Red Cortina wrote: »

This really interests me. Why were they so unhealthy? Smoking? Certainly wouldn't have been for a lack of exercise...

Lack of knowledge about santation, germs, smoking, contaminated food, vitamin and mineral deficiencies.

Wheat is definitely not a force for good in the modern diet in my view, whether that is modern breeding techniques, preparation techniques, chemical additives etc. I'm not sure. It's associated with a load of mental and digestive illness. There are few illnesses that aren't improved by excluding wheat.

I'd recommend anyone to try giving it up for two weeks just to make you realise how reliant on one little plant we have become. Plus if you replace it with veg I fail to see a downside. Oh, though make sure that you eat a good source of choline as wheat contains betaine which sort of does the same thing, so include eggs in your diet.

Rocky, in that pic bread consumption starts going down in the early 2000's. Believe it or not the obesity epidemic started levelling off around the same time, just sayin' :pac:

Are you saying I can't tempt you with a scone covering in Kerry Gold butter and jam?