McGahan to leave Munster?

profitius

Strong rumours on MF's that McGahan is heading back to Australia.

Bannasidhe

profitius wrote: »

Strong rumours on MF's that McGahan is heading back to Australia.

Oh please let it be true.

Clegg

This is good news all round. When Kidney gets the boot in the Summer he can go back to Munster. Ireland will get a better coach in and Munster will get their legend back.

Tox56

Is it being sourced from anywhere? There is an awful lot of stuff written on that site.

profitius

Clegg wrote: »

This is good news all round. When Kidney gets the boot in the Summer he can go back to Munster. Ireland will get a better coach in and Munster will get their legend back.

Oh bo!!ox I never thought of that. :eek:

Somebody from the southern hemisphere would be my choice.

Big Nelly

McGahan back to wherever and.....

Kidney back to Munster, happy days!!!

Won't believe a word of it till I see proper reports.

profitius

It was reported on newstalk that there was talk about it and they were waiting to speak to Australian press about it. He also has not signed a contract yet and has expressed a desire to return home.

Its not confirmed yet so you never know.

profitius

It was reported on newstalk that there was talk about it and they were waiting to speak to Australian press about it. He also has not signed a contract yet and has expressed a desire to return home.

Its not confirmed yet so you never know.

phog

It's all over twitter too but like the TOL rumour that's all it is until confirmed.

CatFromHue

McGahan has been with Munster since Feb 2005, so that's 7 seven years now. I could see him wanting a change. Without being disrespectful to McGahan it might be in the clubs interest to get a new voice in.

I don't trust MunsterFans or Twitter very much though.

Fishooks12

Think we could do with a change but would hope nothing is announced until the end of the season

danthefan

phog wrote: »

It's all over twitter too but like the TOL rumour that's all it is until confirmed.

Eh, no. TOL's agent confirmed there's a contract offer from Perpignan. It's a fair bit more than a rumour.

phog

danthefan wrote: »

Eh, no. TOL's agent confirmed there's a contract offer from Perpignan. It's a fair bit more than a rumour.

Eh, no. It was all over twitter that he was leaving then his agent (Niall Woods @woodser11) stepped in and clarified the situation about the 2 offers.

durkadurka

Eh it's more than a rumour when Perpignan ANNOUNCED it, admittedly prematurely, and possibly incorrectly .

phog

durkadurka wrote: »

Eh it's more than a rumour when Perpignan ANNOUNCED it, admittedly prematurely, and possibly incorrectly .

So if announced prematurely and possibly incorrectly, is that a rumour?

durkadurka

phog wrote: »

So if announced prematurely and possibly incorrectly, is that a rumour?

If its announced by one of the parties involved its more than a rumour. The very nature of a rumour is that none of the interested parties say it.

durkadurka

Eddie o Sullivan anyone?

Big Nelly

durkadurka wrote: »

Eddie o Sullivan anyone?

Ulster I would think.....

shuffol

They could do a lot worse than O'Sullivan, suppose Elwood would be in the running as well

Edit: Meant Bradley not Elwood

CatFromHue

durkadurka wrote: »

Eddie o Sullivan anyone?

He's been keeping quiet on the job situation recently which is probably for the best.

I would like Foley, if he is good enough, to take over at Munster someday. If McGahan were to stay on for another year or two you'd think Foley would get it then. It'd be a bold move to put him as head coach next season. I would preferably like an Irish guy to get the job if possible.

phog

Tony Leen of the Examiner has tweeted

Bad news to be confirmed wed am by Munster as tony McGahan tells players he's returning to Australia at end of season as wallaby def coach

phog

CatFromHue wrote: »

He's been keeping quiet on the job situation recently which is probably for the best.

I would like Foley, if he is good enough, to take over at Munster someday. If McGahan were to stay on for another year or two you'd think Foley would get it then. It'd be a bold move to put him as head coach next season. I would preferably like an Irish guy to get the job if possible.

I think it's too early for Foley to take over ahead coach. Some day though..........

Big Nelly

Is true are Munster really sad to see him go?

trackguy

Michael Bradley, EOS, Conor O'Shea must be in the reckoning.

Any realistic overseas options at this early stage?

The Munster job has got to be one of the most sought after in European rugby

CIARAN_BOYLE

Big Nelly wrote: »

Is true are Munster really sad to see him go?

It depends on who comes in imo.

I believe McGahan is a better than average (not good but not bad either). They could do a lot worse by for example promoting the Munster backs coach to the head coach job. If they have a high quality coach coming in I'll be happy.

phog

More from Tony Leen

Full McGahan story in tomorrow's Irish Examiner. And there'll be other repercussions. Certain Munster players may change their future plans.

my underlining

Podge_irl

Odd timing when he seems to have begun to turn things round there.

trackguy

Big Nelly wrote: »

Conor O'Shea will not take Munster job......

Why?

Big Nelly

trackguy wrote: »

Michael Bradley, EOS, Conor O'Shea must be in the reckoning.

Any realistic overseas options at this early stage?

The Munster job has got to be one of the most sought after in European rugby

Conor O'Shea will not take Munster job......

Fishooks12

trackguy wrote: »

Why?

because he just signed a brand new contract with Quinns

trackguy

I wonder who Tony Leen is referring to? It seems a little early to speculate on players plans. After all, whether players leave is going to depend hugely on who McGahan's replacement is

phog

trackguy wrote: »

I wonder who Tony Leen is referring to? It seems a little early to speculate on players plans. After all, whether players leave is going to depend hugely on who McGahan's replacement is

TOL? Stringer?

Dougie as a backs coach and player for another season?

trackguy

Fishooks12 wrote: »

because he just signed a brand new contract with Quinns

Meh. Stranger things have happened. Contracts only mean so much.

Personally, I'd love to see EOS come back into the Irish game with Munster/ Ulster.

I hope the senior players are actively involved in identifying the replacement whoever it is (like with Joe Schmidt at Leinster)

CatFromHue

trackguy wrote: »

Why?

Why would he?

He's got a good thing going at Quins and I'd imagine he'd like to see it through. Moving to Munster would make no sense for him when you think about it.

I don't think it's a good idea for the players to have much input into who the next head coach would be. It's actually been a criticism of McGahans that he was too close to the players and so couldn't get the best out of them i.e. they had become comfortable under him.

phog

CatFromHue wrote: »

Why would he?

He's got a good thing going at Quins and I'd imagine he'd like to see it through. Moving to Munster would make no sense for him when you think about it.

Except it brings him home and closer to the Irish job.

trackguy

phog wrote: »

TOL? Stringer?

Does it make them more/ less likely to stay? Stringer is coming to the end of his career and is well down the pecking order.

TOL is in the prime of his career but is stuck behind a player of roughly similar style in Murray, at provincial and international level.

In other words, the issues for both these players don't seem linked to the coach.

I was more interested that it could affect the future of some of the core players in the squad.

phog

trackguy wrote: »

Does it make them more/ less likely to stay? Stringer is coming to the end of his career and is well down the pecking order.

TOL is in the prime of his career but is stuck behind a player of roughly similar style in Murray, at provincial and international level.

In other words, the issues for both these players don't seem linked to the coach.

I was more interested that it could affect the future of some of the core players in the squad.

It could but then again it could be a load of garbage too, he just mentioned future plans. Nothing about leaving or staying.

Big Nelly

trackguy wrote: »

Meh. Stranger things have happened. Contracts only mean so much.

Personally, I'd love to see EOS come back into the Irish game with Munster/ Ulster.

I hope the senior players are actively involved in identifying the replacement whoever it is (like with Joe Schmidt at Leinster)

No chance, as mentioned he has just signed a new contract, has a good young side in Quins.

How would Munster like and ex-Leinster man running them? no chance....he wouldn't be that stupid. Anything goes wrong and Leinster thing will be thrown in his face.

If O'Shea is coming back to Ireland at any stage it will be to take over Ireland or Leinster. Not Munster.

phog

Big Nelly wrote: »

How would Munster like and ex-Leinster man running them? no chance....he wouldn't be that stupid. Anything goes wrong and Leinster thing will be thrown in his face.

Are you serious?

trackguy

CatFromHue wrote: »

Why would he?

He's got a good thing going at Quins and I'd imagine he'd like to see it through. Moving to Munster would make no sense for him when you think about it.

I don't think it's a good idea for the players to have much input into who the next head coach would be. It's actually been a criticism of McGahans that he was too close to the players and so couldn't get the best out of them i.e. they had become comfortable under him.

It depends, Munster is a far bigger job than the Quins one. I'm sure he's a very ambitious man and it would have to appeal to him. I accept the 'got a good thing going at Quins' though.

Totally disagree on player's input. Has the Leinster case not shown this is a very good idea? The players having input into who the coach is does not equate the coach being under the players thumbs.

If the Munster suits go to POC/ ROG etc and say 'Martin Johnson (or whoever) is going to be your next head coach' and they're thinking 'F*** this' - it's not really a good start is it?

I think it would be far better for the Munster branch to say to the players - who do we need to get in to kick on from here? What do we need to work on to make this team/ squad better? And WHO FITS THE BILL?

I believe it's documented that Leo/ Sexton met with Schmidt and said Leinster needed to play more expansively than under Cheika and believed he'd be right for the job.

tolosenc

Smacks of the IRFU clearing a spot for oul Deccie.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

trackguy

Big Nelly wrote: »

How would Munster like and ex-Leinster man running them? no chance....

Nonsense. If he is deemed to be the best man for the job (not saying he is), that shouldn't come into it at all.

Neil Back anyone?

Foxtrol

trackguy wrote: »

The Munster job has got to be one of the most sought after in European rugby

Some could look at it this way but others could easily see it as a bit of a poison chalice. McGahan has started the rebuild but there is a hell of a lot of work left to do with the likes of ROG, POC, Wallace, Howlett, DOC and others all likely to retire under the next coaches term, while also having to deal with the new IRFU NIQ rule and fans who are now used to, expect and demand constant success.

Big Nelly

trackguy wrote: »

It depends, Munster is a far bigger job than the Quins one. I'm sure he's a very ambitious man and it would have to appeal to him. I accept the 'got a good thing going at Quins' though.

Do you think Munster is the greatest job in the world or something?

Good job but they have a very old squad and whoever comes in needs to rebuild the whole squad. Also they have very little coming thought from youth squads. If you look at the Munster job it is a poisoned chalice.

All the fans will be remembering the good old years and you have to try and match that success. With the changes in NIQ players they will need to start robbing young players from Ulster/Leinster to keep up.

Toulouse, now there is a job worth talking about!!!:D

CatFromHue

phog wrote: »

Except it brings him home and closer to the Irish job.

Would it really bring him closer to the Ireland job though? If you take it Quins are a pretty big club in England as it is, they average about 12,000 attendance approximately, and have a great history.

What he is trying to do with them is try and make them a success in Europe and in England. At the moment he's gotten the Amlin with them already, has them top of the Aviva at the moment, was a very close to getting them to a HEC Quarter this season, and are in the Amlin QF.

He has a project with Quins that you could say is still in progress but looks like having a very good end goal, and an achievable end goal. For him to move to Munster and abandon all of that makes no sense to me. It could be argued that he would be moving diagonally as opposed to up.

Geographically you could say it would bring him close to the Ireland job to move to Munster. Realistically though if his current success continues with Quins would bring him just as close, if not closer, to the Ireland job.

MyKeyG

Foxtrol wrote: »

Some could look at it this way but others could easily see it as a bit of a poison chalice. McGahan has started the rebuild but there is a hell of a lot of work left to do with the likes of ROG, POC, Wallace, Howlett, DOC and others all likely to retire under the next coaches term, while also having to deal with the new IRFU NIQ rule and fans who are now used to, expect and demand constant success.

I disagree. I don't think McGahan started any rebuilding. He inherited a world class but ageing team and their transition to new blood has been disappointing at best. His rugby is stale and he has the personality of a plank of wood.

Not one bit sorry to see him go!

shuffol

Its not out of the question that at the end of the season, Munster, Ulster and Ireland will all be looking for a new coach, will there be enough quality coaches available out there to fill the vacancies?

How likely is kidney to return to Munster if Ireland opt for a change? I'd have thought Munster like Ireland would be better going for a completely fresh start, Kidneys reluctance to bring in new players for Ireland would have to stand against him considering the age profile of the Munster side.

bleg

Jim Williams please

Also, I'd say there will be huge interest in the Munster job. They're one of the top 5 teams in Europe.

ongarite

Wouldn't mind seeing another foreign coach take over Munster or a coach who has no ties with any of the current squad.
No loyalty or nostalgia just a chance to review the whole Munster squad and build it up again.

Its done wonders for Leinster over the last few years.

Big Nelly

shuffol wrote: »

How likely is kidney to return to Munster if Ireland opt for a change? I'd have thought Munster like Ireland would be better going for a completely fresh start, Kidneys reluctance to bring in new players for Ireland would have to stand against him considering the age profile of the Munster side.

If Munster where offered Kidney in morning you saying they wouldnt grab it???

Hopefully they will be. Can't watch Ireland anymore with his cr*p tactics. Or sorry lack of tactics!!! Kicking the cr*p out of the ball is not tactics.

trackguy

Big Nelly wrote: »

Do you think Munster is the greatest job in the world or something?

Good job but they have a very old squad and whoever comes in needs to rebuild the whole squad. Also they have very little coming thought from youth squads. If you look at the Munster job it is a poisoned chalice.

All the fans will be remembering the good old years and you have to try and match that success. With the changes in NIQ players they will need to start robbing young players from Ulster/Leinster to keep up.

Toulouse, now there is a job worth talking about!!!:D

This poisoned chalice theory is flawed.

Munster will go out and try to recruit a top coach. Someone with experience at the highest level in provincial/ international rugby (EOS etc) and/or someone with widely recognised outstanding potential (O'Shea etc).

Such a personality, someone with proven determination, talent and ambition, will not be scared by the shadow of Munster's past success.

Call it the Alex Ferguson mindset - hugely promising manager who took Aberdeen to European glory and broke up the Old Firm dominance in Scottish football. Takes the Man United job - a HUGE club historically but it absolute tatters when he took over.