Coil Tire, Doughuisce Clamping

phelixoflaherty

From the 1st of March 2012, clamping of cars will be a punishment for not displaying a parking permit in Coill Tire, Doughiska, Galway

Does anyone know the reason for this?

Mrs OBumble

phelixoflaherty wrote: »

From the 1st of March 2012, clamping of cars will be a punishment for not displaying a parking permit in Coill Tire, Doughiska, Galway
Does anyone know the reason for this?

Management co trying to keep it exclusive, afaik. They don't like people who have visitors

Bing_IRL

I've seen a few cars parked there and left for months. I think they're just trying to keep it from becoming a dumping spot.

biko

When I lived in Cluain Riocaird I had a resident's parking permit for my car and also a visitors permit for when mates were over.
I think this was introduced to get people driving in from outside the city from parking in estates during the day and blocking resident's spaces.

phelixoflaherty

I suppose the return bus fare is cheaper than a days parking and quicker

connollys

Lots of people not paying their management fees in the estate, this will force them to pay if they have a car.

Bing_IRL

connollys wrote: »

Lots of people not paying their management fees in the estate, this will force them to pay if they have a car.

Hadn't thought of that! Sly feckers!

snubbleste

connollys wrote: »

Lots of people not paying their management fees in the estate, this will force them to pay if they have a car.

Is that really the reason
I have sympathies for folk if that's the case.
Is Coill Tíre mainly owner-occupied or would this also be problematic for rental folk?

connollys

That's the reason it was brought in yea, I heard this from my landlord, Management fee is paid by them as part of the rent anyway so makes no difference to me.

yfaykya

Bing_IRL wrote: »

I've seen a few cars parked there and left for months. I think they're just trying to keep it from becoming a dumping spot.

How would this stop it being a dumping spot then? If you were dumping a car would you care if it was clamped?

I am an owner in Coill Tire (semi d with parking outside my door) and first I heard of this was about 3 weeks ago. I think it is a disgrace. If people are using it for parking (which I don't believe - there are loads of spaces) why not just do An Fiodan then? Coill Tire is in the back further from bus stop etc.

Can a visitors car be clamped outside my house? I wonder how far in front of house I own?

Also cars that park along side the road on on the bends when there is parking should be towed and not clamped.

Zzippy

Any chance its because of non-residents parking and heading into the park - the playground is right there so I'd guess some people would be too lazy to walk that far down and just park in Coill Tire instead?

antoobrien

Park the car here and hop on the #9 bus into town - i always thought 1m passengers a year was a bit high for this route...

Welcome to the first unoffical park & ride in Galway.:D

HardyEustace

Biggest problem is with people who are renting houses, pocketing rent, pleading nama type cases but refusing to pay management fees (even though they are taking the rent). Massive problem with lack of funds for the management company.

I've heard of one guy who owns five houses/appartments there who hasn't paid a penny yet. Completely unfair on those people who are.

HardyEustace

And given they are bringin it in for Coill Tire, will it just push illegal parking to An fiodan?

Sponge Bob

HardyEustace wrote: »

I've heard of one guy who owns five houses/appartments there who hasn't paid a penny yet. Completely unfair on those people who are.

Every estate in Galway has one of those 'Where is my Nama?' parasites.

Bing_IRL

yfaykya wrote: »

How would this stop it being a dumping spot then? If you were dumping a car would you care if it was clamped?

Because they'd know that the car was abandoned and have it removed quicker

mathepac

Have they actually introduce visitor parking permits? If so how does a visitor arrange one? Where is the managing agent's office or phone number? I always assumed, apparently incorrectly, that the paring spaces in front of the houses facing the hall doors, were private and all others were visitor spaces.

Mrs OBumble

mathepac wrote: »

Have they actually introduce visitor parking permits? If so how does a visitor arrange one? Where is the managing agent's office or phone number? I always assumed, apparently incorrectly, that the paring spaces in front of the houses facing the hall doors, were private and all others were visitor spaces.

Friends who live there tell me that they have been introduced, or will be very soon (sorry, I cannot remember the dates). Number of permits is strictly controlled, based on the number of bed-spaces per house.

Residents have to purchase the visitors permits, and they apply to all cars and car-parking spaces in the estate.

The official story is the one about the management fees.

But I cannot help believe that it's also to do with small-minded attitudes about people having visitors. IMHO, it'll push down the property values in the estate - no way would I buy or rent somewhere that I couldn't say to three friends "pop over for coffee".

dannyd20

Lot of misinformation and speculation in this thread! Main reason the parking permits are coming in is because they are trying to force owners to pay service charges.

From the letter -

"Permits are issued free of charge to residents who are up to date with their service charges. Vehicles with no permit will be clamped - release fee €120. 1/2 bed: 2 permits, 3/4 bed: 3permits, visitor permits available to purchase online for €15 each.

In addition a text service is available to allow visitors to park for a 24hr period without being clamped. Text the reg number to 087xxxxxxx. Limited to two 24hr periods per 7 days.

Enforcement begins 1 Mar. Decision instigated by residents committee and approved at AGM. Any renting residents who haven't received permits yet should check with their landlord."

While not totally in favour of this move, I can see some logic. As a previous poster commented, it isn't fair that some people pay service charges while others don't and get away with it.

Also agree with comment that cars which are parked along the road on the bends when there is parking nearby are much more dangerous.

Doubt there are many people parking in Coill Tire and getting the bus but some people do come into Coill Tire to park near the playground. Know of a few who park and walk through the hospital to GMIT also!

Remains to be seen how strictly it will be enforced, hopefully there will be a bit of common sense around peak visitor times e.g. Ocean Race & Race Week as long as they are parked sensibly of course.

mathepac

dannyd20 wrote: »

... In addition a text service is available to allow visitors to park for a 24hr period without being clamped. Text the reg number to 087xxxxxxx. Limited to two 24hr periods per 7 days. ...

Thanks for that but any chance you might publish the full number? It shouldn't be a problem as it's a service number not a private one.

The letters have not reached all residents / property-owners in the estate yet.

jased10s

Wow regular people pay for people who wont pay , sounds like the bank bailout.

Do they also charge for every dump you take in the toilet when visiting.

This country gets better and better.

Mrs OBumble

Cheers, my friends didn't mention the text service, but they might not be the most tech-savvy.

dannyd20

mathepac wrote: »

Thanks for that but any chance you might publish the full number? It shouldn't be a problem as it's a service number not a private one.

The letters have not reached all residents / property-owners in the estate yet.

Forum charter doesn't allow posting of contact numbers. Letters & permits were supposed to be hand delivered to all eligible residents by 17 Feb.

I'll pm ya the number.

snubbleste

dannyd20 wrote: »

..............
Remains to be seen how strictly it will be enforced, hopefully there will be a bit of common sense around peak visitor times e.g. Ocean Race & Race Week as long as they are parked sensibly of course.

Apcoa is involved, so it will be strictly enforced regardless.

Coill Tire

The management company claims that some residence refused to pay their property management fees and they've tried all means to make them pay without success. The management company now want to violate the civil liberties of the residence by clamping their cars if they do not display a parking disk which the residence do not have any statutory obligation to display.

Only residents who are up to date with their payments will get the parking disks

This is a private company without any contractual agreement with any resident of Coill Tire. If they have a contractual agreement with the residents they can use legal means to collect service charge arrears.

Coill Tire

snubbleste wrote: »

Is that really the reason
I have sympathies for folk if that's the case.
Is Coill Tíre mainly owner-occupied or would this also be problematic for rental folk?

That is not the only reason, it is just the first step for more to come. The estate is not mainly owner-occupied. Many are renting from landlords who's circumstances might have changed and can hardly keep up with their mortgage repayment from the rent they get. Most of the houses were bought during the boom era at prices inflated by the same estate agents who are now coming hard on people to pay a non statutory, non contractual fee.

Coill Tire

mathepac wrote: »

Thanks for that but any chance you might publish the full number? It shouldn't be a problem as it's a service number not a private one.

The letters have not reached all residents / property-owners in the estate yet.

The constitution of this country guarantee every individual's right to private family life. The moment a family member or guest can only visit you twice a week and that is after you've sent a text to a number seeking permission to be allowed to receive a visitor, then we are all in trouble.

Sponge Bob

Renters should be entitled to find out whether their landlord has paid their annual service charges too.

snubbleste

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Renters should be entitled to find out whether their landlord has paid their annual service charges too.

A six month bank statement and a legitimate legible recent tax clearance certificate to ensure the landlord is solvent

Robbo

Coill Tire wrote: »

The constitution of this country guarantee every individual's right to private family life. The moment a family member or guest can only visit you twice a week and that is after you've sent a text to a number seeking permission to be allowed to receive a visitor, then we are all in trouble.

This has to be the most novel invocation of the right to marital privacy I've ever seen. Thinking back, if a clamp had been put on Mr McGee, perhaps his missus wouldn't have had to see contraception from the Supreme Court.

Coill Tire

Coill Tire wrote: »

That is not the only reason, it is just the first step for more to come. The estate is not mainly owner-occupied. Many are renting from landlords who's circumstances might have changed and can hardly keep up with their mortgage repayment from the rent they get. Most of the houses were bought during the boom era at prices inflated by the same estate agents who are now coming hard on people to pay a non statutory, non contractual fee.

I would imagine that the management contract was part of the original sale agreement.

If the landlord is struggling I don't see how it is the management company or other resident's problem.

mathepac

Deleted User wrote: »

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If the landlord is struggling I don't see how it is the management company or other resident's problem.

The landlords have made it the problem of the owner-occupiers by not paying the contracted management fees.

The estate now looks grubby and unkempt compared to how it was a couple of years ago because the basic clean-up jobs aren't being done, devaluing property from owner-occupiers who might want to sell up and move out.

The latest move appears to be that the landlord(s) have got together and taken out an injunction preventing the clamping-company operating in the estate, thus allegedly usurping the role of the management company and the managing agent. So no money to pay legitimate contracted management fees, but lots of money to lawyer up and seek High Court injunctions. An exemplary bunch, allegedly of course.

Coill Tire

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine that the management contract was part of the original sale agreement.

If the landlord is struggling I don't see how it is the management company or other resident's problem.

Exactly, it is no one's problem. Ask them to produce the management contract.

Mrs OBumble

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine that the management contract was part of the original sale agreement.

If the landlord is struggling I don't see how it is the management company or other resident's problem.

Don't know how true it is, but I've been told that in a number of estates here, the management contract is not part of the contract. There is no legal way to enforce the payment, so this is why some mgmt companies are looking for more creative approaches like this.

Personally I'd never buy in an estate that hadn't been taken in charge by the council.

Coill Tire

mathepac wrote: »

The landlords have made it the problem of the owner-occupiers by not paying the contracted management fees.

The estate now looks grubby and unkempt compared to how it was a couple of years ago because the basic clean-up jobs aren't being done, devaluing property from owner-occupiers who might want to sell up and move out.

The latest move appears to be that the landlord(s) have got together and taken out an injunction preventing the clamping-company operating in the estate, thus allegedly usurping the role of the management company and the managing agent. So no money to pay legitimate contracted management fees, but lots of money to lawyer up and seek High Court injunctions. An exemplary bunch, allegedly of course.

Devaluation of properties is a license to devalue people's worth and liberties. Maybe another property manager can do a better job for a "devalued rate".

And, it is a good thing that landlord(s) have got together. Maybe they will now have better control of what goes on in their estate rather than allow a private, for fat-profit-only entity to start making decisions and laws without consulting residence.

Coill Tire

mathepac wrote: »

The landlords have made it the problem of the owner-occupiers by not paying the contracted management fees.

The estate now looks grubby and unkempt compared to how it was a couple of years ago because the basic clean-up jobs aren't being done, devaluing property from owner-occupiers who might want to sell up and move out.

The latest move appears to be that the landlord(s) have got together and taken out an injunction preventing the clamping-company operating in the estate, thus allegedly usurping the role of the management company and the managing agent. So no money to pay legitimate contracted management fees, but lots of money to lawyer up and seek High Court injunctions. An exemplary bunch, allegedly of course.

Mathepac! You claim it is a legitimate contracted management fees? Can you produce this so called legitimate contract? A contract made by two companies registered to the same address, ha!

Coill Tire

yfaykya wrote: »

How would this stop it being a dumping spot then? If you were dumping a car would you care if it was clamped?

I am an owner in Coill Tire (semi d with parking outside my door) and first I heard of this was about 3 weeks ago. I think it is a disgrace. If people are using it for parking (which I don't believe - there are loads of spaces) why not just do An Fiodan then? Coill Tire is in the back further from bus stop etc.

Can a visitors car be clamped outside my house? I wonder how far in front of house I own?

Also cars that park along side the road on on the bends when there is parking should be towed and not clamped.

yfaykya, it all about money. I agree with you, it is a disgrace. Because some residents can't pay their property management fees, they want to turn the place into a fortress. They claim all parking space in Coill Tire are communal. So you are not entitled to a parking space if the property managers say so. Anyone with a parking disc is entitled to park right in front of your house, you can not do anything about that. You have to seek permission before a guest can come over, you are now in a concentration camp.

Zzippy

I don't know what the situation is in Coill Tire, but is it not normally the case that a management agent is contracted by the management company, which is made up of residents? In that case, should you not be asking who is on the management company, and why the decision was taken?
As for communal parking, that's normal in most estates, anyone can park outside my door if they want to, but thankfully there's enough parking in my estate and its not an issue.

Coill Tire

Zzippy wrote: »

I don't know what the situation is in Coill Tire, but is it not normally the case that a management agent is contracted by the management company, which is made up of residents? In that case, should you not be asking who is on the management company, and why the decision was taken?
As for communal parking, that's normal in most estates, anyone can park outside my door if they want to, but thankfully there's enough parking in my estate and its not an issue.

The management company and the management agent are two companies registered to the same address, managed by the same people. The scenario is simply Mr. John Joe's companies A and B awarding contracts to each other.

They claim that all residence of the estate are members of the management company. How? If a company is being registered, all directors or members should be aware of such development and consent to it. This is not the case with Coill Tire. If the management company is legitimate with a contractual agreement with the residents, then they can use debt collectors or court proceedings to collect any money a residence might owe them. As it stands, nobody in the estate officially owe them a cent. There is nothing statutory or contractual about their engagement with the estate. That is why they are now harassing residents with clamping. The houses were built and sold by McInerney and they've gone underground now.

The management agent has been asked to provide the name of a contact person from the management company but they've failed to come up with a name, they simply say all residence are members. How can people be members of a company that they do not know anything about?

Sponge Bob

Do you mean residence or residents?? I am finding this impossible to follow even I I infer residents for each iteration of residence.

Residents have no legal status, only owners do.

Zzippy

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Residents have no legal status, only owners do.

This. Coill tire, if you are an owner you should receive correspondence from the management company every year, with notice of an AGM. That is your chance to raise these issues. If you're not an owner, take it up with your landlord.

Coill Tire

Zzippy wrote: »

This. Coill tire, if you are an owner you should receive correspondence from the management company every year, with notice of an AGM. That is your chance to raise these issues. If you're not an owner, take it up with your landlord.

Zzippy, did you attend the last AGM? It sounds like you know what when on at the meeting.

Not everyone will be available for the AGM. People work unsociable hours you know?. If they had posted the agenda to every house before the AGM in the manner they sent notice of parking enforcement, maybe people would have sent in their concerns.

Coill Tire

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Do you mean residence or residents?? I am finding this impossible to follow even I I infer residents for each iteration of residence.

Residents have no legal status, only owners do.

Sponge Bob, thank you for the observation, it was a typographic error. The story is all about residents and they do have rights. Every individual, irrespective of economic or social status have the right to respect for private and family life.

The moment you have to seek permission from or pay someone before friends and relatives can visit you, then your right to respect for private and family life is being violated.

What is the point in residing in an estate where only 2 car owners can visit you in a week for free be it tenant or landlord? Crazy crazy crazy.

mathepac

Coill Tire wrote: »

... be it tenant or landlord? ...

or owner occupier even ...

Coill Tire

mathepac wrote: »

or owner occupier even ...

No discrimination in this case.

Coill Tire

JustMary wrote: »

Don't know how true it is, but I've been told that in a number of estates here, the management contract is not part of the contract. There is no legal way to enforce the payment, so this is why some mgmt companies are looking for more creative approaches like this.

Personally I'd never buy in an estate that hadn't been taken in charge by the council.

That says a lot about "devaluation". The property management agent claim they want to maintain their "quality service" to keep the value of properties high. As such, they have to implementing parking enforcement so that residents with service charge arrears will pay up.

The reverse is the case. People will be put off renting or buying from Coill Tire when they learn that residents are treated like school kids with a big brother management company that controls the number of visitors residents can host and watching every move the residents make.

Mrs OBumble

Coill Tire wrote: »

The reverse is the case. People will be put off renting or buying from Coill Tire when they learn that residents are treated like school kids with a big brother management company that controls the number of visitors residents can host and watching every move the residents make.

I have a lot of sympathy for this view.

There are a of reasons why people might have a lot of motorist visitors (old people getting meals-on-wheels, people with disabled kids who have therapists, home helps etc, people who are sick and getting district nurse visits, people with twins etc who have home help etc, etc). Limiting this is making their life difficult, as well as being small-minded and petty.

.. and even without this sort of thing, why shouldn't a women a home with a new baby get visited by her mother, friends etc.

IMHO, if you signed a tenancy agreement in the estate and there were no parking management restrictions in place, and now they've been imposed, you should not be held to the term of the tenancy.

Zzippy

Coill Tire wrote: »

Zzippy, did you attend the last AGM? It sounds like you know what when on at the meeting.

Not everyone will be available for the AGM. People work unsociable hours you know?. If they had posted the agenda to every house before the AGM in the manner they sent notice of parking enforcement, maybe people would have sent in their concerns.

No, I don't live in Coill Tire, but I'm an owner occupier in another estate, and we get notice of the AGM of the management company every year, with an agenda included, as well as a statement of the accounts of the management company detailing income and expenditure for the year. This should also be the case in Coill Tire if the management company is operating as it should.

Coill Tire

Zzippy wrote: »

No, I don't live in Coill Tire, but I'm an owner occupier in another estate, and we get notice of the AGM of the management company every year, with an agenda included, as well as a statement of the accounts of the management company detailing income and expenditure for the year. This should also be the case in Coill Tire if the management company is operating as it should.

I agree with you. If they operate as they should, things would not be as messy as it is now. As you wrote, you get notice of the AGM of the management company every year, with an agenda included, as well as a statement of the accounts of the management company. That is not the case in Coill Tire.

When the management company and the management agent are two companies operating from the same address, it shows that a lot is being compromised.

Coill Tire

JustMary wrote: »

I have a lot of sympathy for this view.

There are a of reasons why people might have a lot of motorist visitors (old people getting meals-on-wheels, people with disabled kids who have therapists, home helps etc, people who are sick and getting district nurse visits, people with twins etc who have home help etc, etc). Limiting this is making their life difficult, as well as being small-minded and petty.

.. and even without this sort of thing, why shouldn't a women a home with a new baby get visited by her mother, friends etc.

IMHO, if you signed a tenancy agreement in the estate and there were no parking management restrictions in place, and now they've been imposed, you should not be held to the term of the tenancy.

There're many estates in Doughuisce (Doughiska), e.g. Roscam, Tur Uisce, An Fiodan, etc,. There is no parking enforcement in any of these estates mentioned. You actually have to drive through An Fiodan to get to Coill Tire.

Definitely, not all residents in these estates are up to date with their service charge payments. It is only in Coill Tire that it is OK for residents to face sanctions without detailed consideration for the effects it will have apart from the fact that a private company needs to be paid and paid fast.

Residents are consumers of the services being provided by the management company. This bulldozer manner of dealing with customers by a service provider will not help the situation, it will only create more resistance.

The management company does not represent any authority and as such can not make by-laws that serves punishment for non display of a non statutory parking disc.

jd

Coill Tire wrote: »

.. it will have apart from the fact that a private company needs to be paid and paid fast.

Owners are members of this company. Did you not review all the legal documents when you bought your house?
Who are the directors of Coill Tire Management Company? Are they owners?