Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Dempsey

KeithAFC wrote: »

The SFA/SPL will do what is in the best interests of the Scottish game. One of them already came out and said fans should donate money to Rangers. So you can see what angle they have taken already.

Their best interest to make it clear what happens if a club cheats.

If the SFA/SPL dont apply their own rules, UEFA/CAS will be called in to do so

bobmalooka

KeithAFC wrote: »

The SFA/SPL will do what is in the best interests of the Scottish game. One of them already came out and said fans should donate money to Rangers. So you can see what angle they have taken already.

Its the lazy option, relying on the old firm is probably the most short sighted view to a viable SPL.

Of course the SFA will act in Rangers interests, its what they do.

Hopefully Uefa will nail them if they dont force appropriate sanctions, would be nice to get two corrupt birds with the one stone.

Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

Their best interest to make it clear what happens if a club cheats.

If the SFA/SPL dont apply their own rules, UEFA/CAS will be called in to do so

Haven't they done that so far ?
Obviously other punishments can only be done when the case is over, but the 10 point penalty and potential of no European football is what is supposed to happen anyway, I don't know what more they can/will do ?

edit: Ah, the good old Rangers-minded SFA bobmalooka ?

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Haven't they done that so far ?
Obviously other punishments can only be done when the case is over, but the 10 point penalty and potential of no European football is what is supposed to happen anyway, I don't know what more they can/will do ?

They have

Keith is referring to a hypothetical scenario (i.e. SFA implementing 'light' punishments to save Rangers from extinction) thats down the road, so am I.

bobmalooka

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Haven't they done that so far ?
Obviously other punishments can only be done when the case is over, but the 10 point penalty and potential of no European football is what is supposed to happen anyway, I don't know what more they can/will do ?

edit: Ah, the good old Rangers-minded SFA bobmalooka ?

Yep, I can see them completely exposing themselves down the line under the guise of everyone else's best interests.

Jelle1880

bobmalooka wrote: »

Yep, I can see them completely exposing themselves down the line under the guise of everyone else's best interests.

Ah, is the institutionalised pro-Rangers bias they've been showing for decades ?

Hugh Keevins, leave bob's login alone

bobbysands81

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I seriously wish you would stop posting that site as the be all, end all of this case.
The amount of times they got it wrong is staggering, constantly coming out with 'It's a matter of weeks/months' and when that deadline passed they came up with another date.

They got more wrong than right, the fact they wished for the worst and it's about to happen doesn't mean they're right.
A lot of people called this months ago, both in the press, the club and message boards.

Looks like they were right though eh?

Out of curiosity what did they get wrong?

bobbysands81

Dempsey wrote: »

Rangers need to be punished to the full extent of the rules, it should be made very clear to everyone what happens to cheaters. If its proven that they have outstanding tax liabilities (which means you shouldnt be granted a european licence) going back to 2001 then I believe that Rangers should be stripped of all titles they won to show clubs that this sort of carry on has no place in Scottish Football. Scottish Football has enough problems without financial doping.

I would be pissed off if Rangers survived because the SFA/SPL didnt punish them to the full extent of the rules. The rules have to apply to everyone, equally.

Agreed but... they as the case is still ongoing the SFA/SPL cannot punish them in any way. What actions they take against Rangers when the result of the tax case comes through remains to be seen.

Unless a buyer comes in I cannot see how Rangers won't go into liquidation.

bobmalooka

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Ah, is the institutionalised pro-Rangers bias they've been showing for decades ?

Hugh Keevins, leave bob's login alone

correct, wait till we see their treatment of Rangers compared to say Dundee for example.

You ever find that IRA chanting you heard at the Hearts game?

Dempsey

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Agreed but... they as the case is still ongoing the SFA/SPL cannot punish them in any way. What actions they take against Rangers when the result of the tax case comes through remains to be seen.

Unless a buyer comes in I cannot see how Rangers won't go into liquidation.

I'm not suggesting that they be punished in advance.

Rangers have admitted that they have a tax liability but dispute the amount. I'd like all the details to come out in court so the SFA/SPL can implement retrospective punishments.

Fratton Fred

Rangers won't go into liquidation because their creditors will get more out of a restructuring deal than they will out of liquidation.

We will enter administration on friday and be deducted ten points, this time through no fault of anyone at the club, so I fully understand what Rangers fans are going through.

HMRC are going after football in a big way. They are pissed off with the dodgy tax deals, the disappearing money and backhanders into offshore accounts named after a pet dog.

Pompey were the first, now it is Rangers turn. Evetuallt they will get to the biggest teams in the country, because they are all at it.

Jelle1880

bobmalooka wrote: »

correct, wait till we see their treatment of Rangers compared to say Dundee for example.

You ever find that IRA chanting you heard at the Hearts game?

Are we talking about Dundee, who managed to survive after being punished the same way Rangers are now ?

Or are you alluding to some secret conspiracy that will see Rangers go unpunished ? :rolleyes:

Like I said, even here it's been mentioned that pro-IRA chants were sung, so there you go.

Dempsey

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Rangers won't go into liquidation because their creditors will get more out of a restructuring deal than they will out of liquidation.

We will enter administration on friday and be deducted ten points, this time through no fault of anyone at the club, so I fully understand what Rangers fans are going through.

HMRC are going after football in a big way. They are pissed off with the dodgy tax deals, the disappearing money and backhanders into offshore accounts named after a pet dog.

Pompey were the first, now it is Rangers turn. Evetuallt they will get to the biggest teams in the country, because they are all at it.

Rangers appointed Administrators yesterday at ~15.30, Rangers have been deducted 10 points already.

I agree, HMRC have had football in its sights for a good while now. They suffered a setback with CVA's at Portsmouth but are determined to get everything right with Rangers so they can set a legal precedent when they go after clubs that owe alot more than Rangers. I'd say the level of tax avoidance bordering on evasion is extremely high in British Football because of the 50% tax band

KeithAFC

For Rangers to go into liquidation (if it happens), the main question is what happens to Scottish football and the Scottish Premier league? One club winning the league every season by 15-20 points? Who will watch that and what TV company will pay money to watch it?

I don't see the English Premier League allowing any of the clubs in, so we are stuck with Scottish football. Scottish football in a one club league would be a complete disaster for interest.

Jelle1880

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Looks like they were right though eh?

Out of curiosity what did they get wrong?

Off the top of my head:

- 'No more funds for the day to day running of the club', months ago: Wrong.
- Numerous claims that it would be a matter of weeks: Wrong

The way he now is moaning about how he 'humiliated the Scottish media' is strongly similar to a certain pseudo-journalist from Donegal.

If you keep repeating something day in, day out and it finally happens then you can always claim 'See, I told you so'.
But if you claim that it happens every few weeks and keep getting it wrong ? That's not 'getting it right'.

bobbysands81

KeithAFC wrote: »

For Rangers to go into liquidation (if it happens), the main question is what happens to Scottish football and the Scottish Premier league? One club winning the league every season by 15-20 points? Who will watch that and what TV company will pay money to watch it?

I don't see the English Premier League allowing any of the clubs in, so we are stuck with Scottish football. Scottish football in a one club league would be a complete disaster for interest.

If you think that's the "main question" if you go into liquidation then that's delusional.

Dempsey

KeithAFC wrote: »

For Rangers to go into liquidation (if it happens), the main question is what happens to Scottish football and the Scottish Premier league? One club winning the league every season by 15-20 points? Who will watch that and what TV company will pay money to watch it?

I don't see the English Premier League allowing any of the clubs in, so we are stuck with Scottish football. Scottish football in a one club league would be a complete disaster for interest.

Ye should have thought of that before avoiding tax for 10+ years

bobbysands81

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Off the top of my head:

- 'No more funds for the day to day running of the club', months ago: Wrong.
- Numerous claims that it would be a matter of weeks: Wrong

The way he now is moaning about how he 'humiliated the Scottish media' is strongly similar to a certain pseudo-journalist from Donegal.

If you keep repeating something day in, day out and it finally happens then you can always claim 'See, I told you so'.
But if you claim that it happens every few weeks and keep getting it wrong ? That's not 'getting it right'.

1. Surely he's been proven right in that you've had no money for the day to day running of the club? You've sold FOUR years season tickets in advance to get you to where you are now, ergo, he was right!

2. Claims it was only a matter of weeks... see above! You extended admin because you sold everything you could get your hands on thus prolonging your lifetime for... eh... weeks! Even the 5.5m you got from Everton 2 weeks ago couldn't prevent admin.

Jesus mate, you sound like someone on the Titanic whilst it's sinking complaining that their food is cold!

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Off the top of my head:

- 'No more funds for the day to day running of the club', months ago: Wrong.
- Numerous claims that it would be a matter of weeks: Wrong

The way he now is moaning about how he 'humiliated the Scottish media' is strongly similar to a certain pseudo-journalist from Donegal.

If you keep repeating something day in, day out and it finally happens then you can always claim 'See, I told you so'.
But if you claim that it happens every few weeks and keep getting it wrong ? That's not 'getting it right'.

Craig Whyte avoided paying PAYE and Taxes since the takeover to fund the club from day to day. He sold 4 years of season tickets aswell. Where is that money?

A matter of weeks is a subjective term

Jelle1880

bobbysands81 wrote: »

1. Surely he's been proven right in that you've had no money for the day to day running of the club? You've sold FOUR years season tickets in advance to get you to where you are now, ergo, he was right!

2. Claims it was only a matter of weeks... see above! You extended admin because you sold everything you could get your hands on thus prolonging your lifetime for... eh... weeks! Even the 5.5m you got from Everton 2 weeks ago couldn't prevent admin.

:rolleyes:

He claimed that we had no money to run the club a long time ago, a long time before the PAYE issue became known.
Up to now there have been no stories of players not being paid, staff not being paid,...

So yeah, he can claim all he wants about 'getting it right' but if you claim Rangers have cashflow issues and there is nothing to back it up, then you're either clueless or spreading lies.

And if he was supposedly aware of all that happened re. the not paying of PAYE, VAT, NI,... then surely he would have come out with that a long time ago, instead of just claiming 'There's no money' ?

RoryMac

I wonder could the liquidation of Rangers allow them to re-claim some of the revenue streams sold off under the previous and present owners?

For example the deal cut to mortgage future season ticket sales, the selling of their merchandising to JJB etc, could liquidation be Whyte's plan so that a Rangers Newco can start again with a proper revenue stream?

bobbysands81

Jelle1880 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

He claimed that we had no money to run the club a long time ago, as of now there's still money to run the club (Unless I missed the stories of players not being paid etc.)

So you think there's still enough "money to run the club"?!

That's the funniest thing I've read in months!!!

If there was enough "money to run the club" mate you wouldn't be in administration!

PauloMN

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Jesus mate, you sound like someone on the Titanic whilst it's sinking complaining that their food is cold!

Would that be the succulent lamb?

bobbysands81

PauloMN wrote: »

Would that be the succulent lamb?

More like succulent Abrakebabra these days!

Jelle1880

bobbysands81 wrote: »

So you think there's still enough "money to run the club"?!

That's the funniest thing I've read in months!!!

If there was enough "money to run the club" mate you wouldn't be in administration!

I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about months ago when he claimed it.
Back then there was no inclination about the PAYE, VAT, NI,... issue.

Back then the general idea was: Rangers have problems and have to wait until the tax case is over to see the problems facing them.
That's it, nobody knew about the stuff we do now.

edit: Hope your Abrakebabra gives you the runs

PauloMN

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That's it, nobody knew about the stuff we do now.

Even Whyte/White?

KeithAFC

Dempsey wrote: »

Ye should have thought of that before avoiding tax for 10+ years

Yes but the point is it destroys the Scottish Premier League. I am a firm believer in competition raises standards. Celtic will not even need the OK players now in Hooper, Forrest etc to even win the SPL if Rangers weren't in it. So you would probably sell them players on to English clubs.

Which then raises questions about the potential of Scottish clubs to compete in the Champions League. I don't know if players would move to Celtic if Rangers didn't exist because the Old Firm would be gone and what good players would want to play in a league which has one team which will dominate the league every season and win it by 15-20 points?

These are important points to make. This is a vital period in the history of Scottish football. I actually understand why some Celtic fans are loving it at the minute, that is fine, I can understand it. But I really hope Celtic fans understand in the long run this would completely destroy the league.

Dempsey

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes but the point is it destroys the Scottish Premier League. I am a firm believer in competition raises standards. Celtic will not even need the OK players now in Hooper, Forrest etc to even win the SPL if Rangers weren't in it. So you would probably sell them players on to English clubs.

Which then raises questions about the potential of Scottish clubs to compete in the Champions League. I don't know if players would move to Celtic if Rangers didn't exist because the Old Firm would be gone and what good players would want to play in a league which has one team which will dominate the league every season and win it by 15-20 points?

These are important points to make. This is a vital period in the history of Scottish football. I actually understand why some Celtic fans are loving it at the minute, that is fine, I can understand it. But I really hope Celtic fans understand in the long run this would completely destroy league.

You're only concerned now for other clubs because ye are fúcked. Your only interest here is that of Rangers. You want Rangers punishment to be minimal for the benefit of Rangers. Your bleating fools nobody.

Coillte_Bhoy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes but the point is it destroys the Scottish Premier League. I am a firm believer in competition raises standards. Celtic will not even need the OK players now in Hooper, Forrest etc to even win the SPL if Rangers weren't in it. So you would probably sell them players on to English clubs.

Which then raises questions about the potential of Scottish clubs to compete in the Champions League. I don't know if players would move to Celtic if Rangers didn't exist because the Old Firm would be gone and what good players would want to play in a league which has one team which will dominate the league every season and win it by 15-20 points?

These are important points to make. This is a vital period in the history of Scottish football. I actually understand why some Celtic fans are loving it at the minute, that is fine, I can understand it. But I really hope Celtic fans understand in the long run this would completely destroy the league.

For once keith i'm in broad agreement with you.:eek:

Fenian Army

The NGA suggestion was fairly tongue in cheek lads, although it is a great cause.

A charity with a celtic connection perhaps?

http://www.goodchildfoundation.com/Home.aspx

Helps kids with downsyndrome.