Jan Ullrich gets 2 year ban

RobFowl

CAS finally gave its verdict on Jan Ullrich today.
He was give a 2 year ban and also lost all results from 1st May 2005 (includes 3rd place in the TDF 2005 and overall in the Tour de Suisse 2006).
I note the UCI asked for a life ban but CAS refused.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11113/CAS-rules-Jan-Ullrich-guilty-of-doping-with-Fuentes.aspx

Chips Lovell

Paco Mancebo is now on the podium for the 2005 Tour. LOL!

Caroline_ie

CAS has a hell of a backlog.

crumliniano

What the hell does a two year ban mean for a retired cyclist? He's not allowed ride sportives! Surely a fine would make more sense at this stage.

RobFowl

crumliniano wrote: »

What the hell does a two year ban mean for a retired cyclist? He's not allowed ride sportives! Surely a fine would make more sense at this stage.

I think they wanted to have a sanction on record in case he tried a comeback and also just for posterity's sake..

crumliniano

Tour de France winners since 1996:
Riis, Pantani, Ullrich, Landis, Contador - convicted dopers
Armstrong - alleged/suspected
Sastre, Evans - no suspicions (as far as I know)
They were probably all at it before then too. I love the sport but it can be depressing at times.

Columbia

I thought this thread was a joke when I saw the title.

corny

Armstrong is some man holding off a cadre of doped up cyclists with such ease while clean.:rolleyes:

petethedrummer

ULLRICH NEVER TESTED POSITIVE. He's innocent in my eyes. Even if he says he doped, I don't believe it. They had their chance to catch him and the didn't.

SWL

crumliniano wrote: »

Tour de France winners since 1996:
Riis, Pantani, Ullrich, Landis, Contador - convicted dopers
Armstrong - alleged/suspected
Sastre, Evans - no suspicions (as far as I know)
They were probably all at it before then too. I love the sport but it can be depressing at times.

I though Evans worked with Dr. M. Ferrari?

RobFowl

petethedrummer wrote: »

ULLRICH NEVER TESTED POSITIVE. He's innocent in my eyes. Even if he says he doped, I don't believe it. They had their chance to catch him and the didn't.

Was he not the most tested cyclist ever?

sy

I think this is appropriate as it highlights the drug culture that existed at the time and puts everything in context. Who's to say we won't be reading a similar headline in 6 years times about other :rolleyes: "Famous" cyclists getting belated bans. It doesn't matter if it takes 10 years or more to out the cheats.

By the way a certain Cadel Evans was second on that final stage when Ullrich took the yellow jersey in the Tour de Suisse. Must be so frustrating when you know that you've been beaten by a cheat

Fr D Maugire

Shows the dupicity of the UCI, they went after Ullrich for 6 years even though he was retired for all that time and wanted him banned for life. No proof he ever doped, just a blood bag with Ullrich's blood in it. Of course I am not stupid and knows what this means.

Arsmtrong has six urine samples with EPO in them, UCI launch a so called 'independent' investigation and clear him of any wrongdoing. They said in the recent wake of the dropping of the Federal investigation, that all those allegations were in the past and they wanted to look forward now.

Pity they didnt apply that mantra to Ullrich as well especially considering Armstrong was racing as recently as last season. Some cyclists are clearly more equal than others.

sy

RobFowl wrote: »

Was he not the most tested cyclist ever?

I'm assuming a little bit of



by petethedrummer

Inquitus

crumliniano wrote: »

Tour de France winners since 1996:
Riis, Pantani, Ullrich, Landis, Contador - convicted dopers
Armstrong - alleged/suspected
Sastre, Evans - no suspicions (as far as I know)
They were probably all at it before then too. I love the sport but it can be depressing at times.

Cadel (and maybe now Schleck) aside, you probably need to go back to Lemond for a clean tour winner.

petethedrummer

RobFowl wrote: »

Was he not the most tested cyclist ever?

I've had time to think this over and I accept the decision but I'm livid with Jan. He provided hope. Hope to all of us cyclists who like a pint and a pie or twelve at Christmas. Hope that we could show up at the start of the season overweight and get on the podium. But it was all built on a lie.

I'm crying as I write this. Crying into my pie.

Inquitus

petethedrummer wrote: »

I've had time to think this over and I accept the decision but I'm livid with Jan. He provided hope. Hope to all of us cyclists who like a pint and a pie or twelve at Christmas. Hope that we could show up at the start of the season overweight and get on the podium. But it was all built on a lie.

I'm crying as I write this. Crying into my pie.

I am more of a half full kinda guy, I am eating my Pie and looking for EPO on the internet.......

SWL

Inquitus wrote: »

Cadel (and maybe now Schleck) aside, you probably need to go back to Lemond for a clean tour winner.

I think sastre was ok, given the ride up Alpe d' heuz and how he took the yellow jersey, after the death of his brother in law, I would like to think he hated drugs.

Inquitus

SWL wrote: »

I think sastre was ok, given the ride up Alpe d' heuz and how he took the yellow jersey, after the death of his brother in law, I would like to think he hated drugs.

Aye I'd agree with that.

RobFowl

SWL wrote: »

I think sastre was ok, given the ride up Alpe d' heuz and how he took the yellow jersey, after the death of his brother in law, I would like to think he hated drugs.

I'd like to think that but Cervelo aside he had very dodgy taste in teams !!

2011
Geox - TMC
2010
Cervélo Test Team
2009
Cervélo Test Team
2008
Team CSC - Saxo Bank
2007
Team CSC
2006
Team CSC
2005
Team CSC
2004
Team CSC
2003
Team CSC
2002
Team CSC - Tiscali
2001
ONCE - Eroski - Würth
2000
ONCE - Deutsche Bank
1999
ONCE - Deutsche Bank
1998
ONCE - Deutsche Bank

manwithaplan

Does this apply to his work with Metallica?

petethedrummer

manwithaplan wrote: »

Does this apply to his work with Metallica?

There's a man who should be banned from doing his job.

honkjelly

SWL wrote: »

I though Evans worked with Dr. M. Ferrari?

He worked with the Aldo Sassi

From an Interview with David McCann in 2007


PEZ: You rode for the Polish team CCC Mat in 2001 – that must have been an experience?
Dave: Ah, well, it was eye opening, shall we say! I didn’t belong there; I had been racing in Southern France and was rated highly – and it’s almost by default that you turn pro if you have a good amateur career. But we were racing in Italy a lot and it was unbelievably fast – Casagrande and Ulrich were prominent, then. I thought I was ill because I kept getting dropped; I came home for tests. I decided I’d ride the local club ten mile time trial - and broke the Irish record! There was nothing wrong with me; it was just that those races were crazy.

(A little after I’d finished speaking with Dave, I received this SMS; “Trying to find the right words as to why CCC wasn’t right for me. Simple answer – because I am clean!”)


http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=7576

SWL

honkjelly wrote: »

He worked with the Aldo Sassi

From an Interview with David McCann in 2007


PEZ: You rode for the Polish team CCC Mat in 2001 – that must have been an experience?
Dave: Ah, well, it was eye opening, shall we say! I didn’t belong there; I had been racing in Southern France and was rated highly – and it’s almost by default that you turn pro if you have a good amateur career. But we were racing in Italy a lot and it was unbelievably fast – Casagrande and Ulrich were prominent, then. I thought I was ill because I kept getting dropped; I came home for tests. I decided I’d ride the local club ten mile time trial - and broke the Irish record! There was nothing wrong with me; it was just that those races were crazy.

(A little after I’d finished speaking with Dave, I received this SMS; “Trying to find the right words as to why CCC wasn’t right for me. Simple answer – because I am clean!”)


http://pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=7576[/QUOTE]

I thought it was Ferrari who persuaded Evans to go into road biking, I am convinced I read it on his Wiki page, just checked but it not there, maybe I am imagining things:rolleyes:

If you want to see Jan Ullich on a full gas check out the Andorra stage at the 97 tour on youtube.

niceonetom

SWL wrote: »

If you want to see Jan Ullich on a full gas check out the Andorra stage at the 97 tour on youtube.

I did just that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5EocT-lKHI

They really were taking the absolute piss back then. I know it would be foolish to think the peloton is clean now but when you look at the absurdities of the 1990s and 2000s you have to conclude that progress is being made.

SWL

niceonetom wrote: »

I did just that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5EocT-lKHI

They really were taking the absolute piss back then. I know it would be foolish to think the peloton is clean now but when you look at the absurdities of the 1990s and 2000s you have to conclude that progress is being made.

They sure were, especially when he attacked, first time I really noticed Jan Ullich, when he took the lead and blew them away I thought holy cow who is that guy.

There is a shorter version here

ednwireland

SWL wrote: »

If you want to see Jan Ullich on a full gas check out the Andorra stage at the 97 tour on youtube.

7 hours 45 mins 253km :eek:

crumliniano

Inquitus wrote: »

Cadel (and maybe now Schleck) aside, you probably need to go back to Lemond for a clean tour winner.

Indurain? Have to admit I didn't watch a whole lot of cycling during the Indurain period, but I wasn't aware of any suspicion around him, although maybe winning 5 tours is suspicious in itself!

Lumen

crumliniano wrote: »

Indurain? Have to admit I didn't watch a whole lot of cycling during the Indurain period, but I wasn't aware of any suspicion around him, although maybe winning 5 tours is suspicious in itself!

It was the anti-gravity aspect that was suspicious.

Chips Lovell

There was the famous Tour of Romandie in 1998, when lads were braking on corners going uphill.

leftism

Maybe CAS need to think about banning Tom Simpson and Marco Pantani, in case their zombie corpses rise from the dead and start reapplying for professional tour licences...

This retroactive banning is an absolute joke! I may be wrong but wasn't Contador riding in the 2011 season??? But his two year ban is up this August! Is there nobody in CAS or WADA that has the decency to hop into the Delorean, gun it to 88 and go back and tell him he was supposed to be serving a ban?

It certainly would have made my 2011 TDF more enjoyable...

Rastapitts

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

There was the famous Tour of Romandie in 1998, when lads were braking on corners going uphill.

Are the times that the cyclists doing today around the same as the 90's tho?
If so their should be suspicion

petethedrummer

Rastapitts wrote: »

Are the times that the cyclists doing today around the same as the 90's tho?
If so their should be suspicion

No they're way down, approaching historical norms.

Edit: Bottom of this page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez

Of course there are variables to consider. But they're not going much faster these days than Laurent Fignon did and he wasn't blood doping.

SWL

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

There was the famous Tour of Romandie in 1998, when lads were braking on corners going uphill.

Interesting stuff, I found this on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZ5PbRs8w8