Antrim hurlers

lala88

This may have been done before but iv never actually heard an answer to it.

How come Antrim can play in the Leinster and Ulster hurling championships? Should they not have to pick one or the other?

Also is it not unfair on the other countys that when they get knocked out of Leinster they just come along and go straight into the final? The other teams have to play 2/3 game whereas they dont have any to play and just have to peak of one game. Just say for example Armagh play Derry in the Q/F win and then play Down in the S/F and where now there in the final after what would have been 2 hard games and would have had to be at the top of there game for both and then Antrim who would have played a game in Leinster witch would give them an even bigger advantage.

I for one (no disrespect to Antrim) never really seen why they got a place in Leinster because in all honesty there not going to be challenging for the All Ireland, since they went into Leinster they've only made the Q/F once and were well beat by Cork.

GoldFour4

lala88 wrote: »

This may have been done before but iv never actually heard an answer to it.

How come Antrim can play in the Leinster and Ulster hurling championships? Should they not have to pick one or the other?

Also is it not unfair on the other countys that when they get knocked out of Leinster they just come along and go straight into the final? The other teams have to play 2/3 game whereas they dont have any to play and just have to peak of one game. Just say for example Armagh play Derry in the Q/F win and then play Down in the S/F and where now there in the final after what would have been 2 hard games and would have had to be at the top of there game for both and then Antrim who would have played a game in Leinster witch would give them an even bigger advantage.

I for one (no disrespect to Antrim) never really seen why they got a place in Leinster because in all honesty there not going to be challenging for the All Ireland, since they went into Leinster they've only made the Q/F once and were well beat by Cork.

Because Antrim are the only county in Ulster who can legitametly make the All Ireland Qfinals. They were moved to Leinster along with Galway to give them tough games and also to strenghten the Leinster championship.

lala88

malachyscott wrote: »

Because Antrim are the only county in Ulster who can legitametly make the All Ireland Qfinals. They were moved to Leinster along with Galway to give them tough games and also to strenghten the Leinster championship.

Why so are they still playing in the Ulster Championship?

GoldFour4

lala88 wrote: »

Why so are they still playing in the Ulster Championship?

I;m not sure but maybe its so the team that makes it through to the finall gets a real game for the title. Otherwise it would just be something like the Nicky Rackard cup where the top teams don't take part

lala88

malachyscott wrote: »

I;m not sure but maybe its so the team that makes it through to the finall gets a real game for the title. Otherwise it would just be something like the Nicky Rackard cup where the top teams don't take part

That is true but i think they should have to pick one or teh other. Since moving into Leinster they haven't really done a whole lot better then before they were in it

premierstone

lala88 wrote: »

That is true but i think they should have to pick one or teh other. Since moving into Leinster they haven't really done a whole lot better then before they were in it

Same could be said about Galway could it not? And Galway have a redicilous set-up where they play senior in Leinster but minor and u-21 in Connaught i.e. champions by default.

lala88

premierstone wrote: »

Same could be said about Galway could it not? And Galway have a redicilous set-up where they play senior in Leinster but minor and u-21 in Connaught i.e. champions by default.

Was just about to say it hasn't done Galway awhole lot eather in fact they did better before they entered it

Mountainlad

lala88 wrote: »

Was just about to say it hasn't done Galway awhole lot eather in fact they did better before they entered it

Well they were guaranteed entry into the semi final, and given they haven't been in the semi final since they moved into Leinster well then you could say they exited at a later stage. Bar 2001 and 2005 they were poor through the qualifier years, which led to them proposing that they weren't getting enough competitive games. I was all for them moving into Leinster but it hasn't done them much good. Problem with Galway seems to me the excuses that are made for why they don't perform, there's always an excuse. And then they still come out as favourites for the all-ireland the following year.

It's highly unfair that Antrim get a bye into the final of the Ulster Championship, and it might serve more good if they were withdrawn from it.

Hammer Archer

Possibly a little unfair for them to get a bye directly into the final, perhaps semi final would be more fair as the team they would meet would be slightly closer to their level. Any earlier and they would most likely be meeting teams like Monaghan/Donegal etc. which would be of no use to either team.
Think it benefits the other Ulster teams having Antrim compete as it gives them a chance to play against a Liam McCarthy standard team.
I think a better question would be why 5 Leinster teams (Kildare, Meath, Wicklow, Louth and Longford) get no chance whatsoever to compete in the Leinster SHC.

thewildcat

malachyscott wrote: »

Because Antrim are the only county in Ulster who can legitametly make the All Ireland Qfinals. They were moved to Leinster along with Galway to give them tough games and also to strenghten the Leinster championship.

funny strenghten leinster its munster they should go to after last years final
people say leinster is weak yet kilkenny beat every county outside of leinster bar 2010 but that was put right in 2011.

with Dublin on the up and i think offaly will be back in two to 3 years time
and us cats well we will never go way.

over the last 40 years its Tipp,cork,clare,that won McCarthy the same as leinster Kilkenny,offaly,wexford .

Mountainlad

thewildcat wrote: »

funny strenghten leinster its munster they should go to after last years final
people say leinster is weak yet kilkenny beat every county outside of leinster bar 2010 but that was put right in 2011.

with Dublin on the up and i think offaly will be back in two to 3 years time
and us cats well we will never go way.

over the last 40 years its Tipp,cork,clare,that won McCarthy the same as leinster Kilkenny,offaly,wexford .

Yeah, Dublin didn't exactly push Kilkenny all the way either. And it's a regular occurance that the Leinster Final is a complete write off. With Limerick and Clare both emerging teams, Munster is going to remain more competitive than the Leinster championship because I also believe Waterford to be better than what the view of the general consensus is. I think the Leinster championship is improving too though, I reckon we're entering into a competitive era of hurling now...I hope so anyway.

I believe Limerick won in 72 as well...that''s 4/5 in comparison with 3/5 in Leinster, and maybe I'm being generous not including the involvement of Westmeath and Carlow. If you look at the different winners of both Munster and Leinster, well that tells it's own story.

thewildcat

a limerick have been coming this 20 years or more

Duckworth_Luas

The Ulster championship is not part of the All-Ireland series. Only teams competing in Munster and "Leinster" championships can progress to AI quarter finals.

Mountainlad

thewildcat wrote: »

a limerick have been coming this 20 years or more

It's 15 years since nearly since Offaly and Wexford won their last all-irelands, and there is unfortunately very little evidence to suggest that will change in the next 15.