can they or have they, i m curious if helicopters(HELLIS) could be used in the ROI

callum wallace

i know there is alot of paper work for the use of pyro in ireland when it come to airsoft (ie there is only one licensed sight in all of ireland), would it be the same for vehicles such as helicopters, even planes if you had the guts or would it come under the law of practicing military tactics as a civilian? ie could you, OR IS THIS JUST NO so feel free to post

hightower1

I would say it would be up to the site owners but I couldnt see an issue with it. The likes of the AR drone parrot for iPhone would be ideal, lightweight , controllable and with a ground facing camera so you can use it as a UAV.

As with all things though... dont bring it to a site without intending on it to be shot at. Doesnt look like it would hold up too well to a few close shots tbh.

http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/en/

gerrowadat

The range of 20 metres or so on the AR done is kind of poo. There is RC kit you can get to go out to 250m or so, but you lose video capability then.

Puding

i believe the op is talking about real helicopter?

other than normal flight permits and insurance i would imagine you could do it in the republic, you may run into the training law if the local superintendent or a politician wants to make a point but really depends on the details

could of places have done this already in the uk ( Stirling ) but it is expensive and tbh looks good on film but reality and practicality is a little different

hightower1

Puding wrote: »

i believe the op is talking about real helicopter?

:eek::eek:

That never even entered my mind, well I suppose if our going to be ambitious!

I dont even know where to start with this, I mean aside from the costs, the apparent dangers, licensing and inscurance this would probably never become a reality.

thermo

callum wallace wrote: »

i know there is alot of paper work for the use of pyro in ireland when it come to airsoft (ie there is only one licensed sight in all of ireland), would it be the same for vehicles such as helicopters, even planes if you the guts or would come under the law of practicing military tactics as a civilian? ie could you, OR IS THIS JUST NO so feel free to post

please watch your punctuation and spelling as a lot of your similar posts are hard to follow.

sliabh

Issues to overcome to make this work:

• Find a company willing to carry you - There are a few charter companies in Ireland, with 3-5 seat helicopters. You need one that is okay with the idea of giving a lift to a load of people carrying replica guns. They will want to be sure this won't annoy a) the aviation regulator, b) the guards, c) any neighbours.
• Arrange how it will happen - For obvious reasons you can't have people with AEGs and tac gear running around airports. So it would have to be a pickup near the site and then a short hop to the game. But at the game site you can't overfly people who might shoot at the helicopter, or land near players, so don't expect to land into a "hot LZ". You may be required to keep guns stowed, and abseiling (or even jumping) from a hovering helicopter will not happen for insurance/risk reasons.
• Get it sorted for insurance - Mostly the charter company's problem, but there may be an impact on site insurance as well.
• Pay for it - Helicopters are very expensive. Expect to pay €500-€1000 for an hour's hire of a small one. Even if you are only in it for a 5 minute hop to the site the owner will charge you for the time to get it there, and hang around while you do your thing.

In the Czech Republic as part of this year's "Border War" (half way down the page) they are doing helicopter insertion for 2 units. The details are below, but it's €23 for a 3 minute flight in a 3 seat helicopter. And bear in mind insurance/safety regulations in the Czech Republic are not what they are here, so restrictions and costs would be much higher if this was attempted in Ireland.

Airmobile pricing, Sight seeing flights and additional information regarding helicopters.
Dear MILSIMERS,
We would like to share with you latest news regarding prices and information about Airmobile Platoons.

In order to be inserted once during the game by helicopter you need to be in a so called Airmobile Platoon. (AMP) AMP is a task assembly of players who will register themselves in to either S.E.L.A. – Airmobile or Tf 359 – Airmobile fractions. Price of these fractions is increased by 23 Euro (550 Czech Crowns) for helicopter insertion + ticket and other services prices.

Insertion flight would take around 3 minutes. Speed of the helicopter is 250 km/per hour, so you going to see quite a lot of panorama while you knees will shiver and your adrenaline will be pumping.

Troops entering the helicopter will under go mandatory special training and equipment checks during the event where all security aspects and other will be explained. For people who will not have a chance to have a ticket to airmobile platoon we are offering sight seeing 8 minutes flights before the game start on Thursday during registration and Friday until noon. Price of the sight seeing tour flight is 33 Euro. (800 Czech Crowns). Helicopters used for the airlift are Robinson 3 seat helicopters.

As we were testing the flights last week we highly recommend air assault platoons to military enthusiasts who want to bring their MILSIM experience to upper level, asvell the sight seeing flight is for people who want to enjoy the unique experience of flying - taking pictures of panorama and observe the beauties of the country from the air. Airmobile platoon members will have to hold gun instead of the camera… shortly saying so no time for picture taking. For people who have newer flown in the Chopper we highly recommend sightseeing from my experience because its simply amazing. During the flights you will be able to see one of the most famous castle from air, beautiful lake, wild forest, abandoned fortifications, and maybe some more.

Airmobile Platoons size limits.
As we are trying first time air mobility we have decided to make following platoon restrictions for BW4

• S.E.L.A. Airmobile – 60 player fraction limit
• TF 359 Airmobile – 60 player fraction limit

Our goal is to transport 120 players during one game via VTOL aircraft on a MILSIM game which is seems to be something very unique...

Players in airmobile platoons will be informed in advance what time to be where - in order to undergo their air lift – that means thay can be still part of their normal platoons except certain part of the game where they will have to be elsewhere performing missions dedicated to Airmobile task assembly units…

For more information don’t hesitate to contact us.

With best regards,

BW crew

Faolchu

i know its not Ireland, but in Oklahoma I know of a site that used a chopper and i believe there was a mounted M249 on it too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BvWdO0t0bg

Puding

The guys in russia make far more use of both aircraft helicopters and armour but the local military is also far more accommodating with hiring out equipment

sliabh

Surprising he is shooting from the helicopter. I would have thought with the downdraft would totally deflect any bbs?

Faolchu

me too, i thought it a waste form an accuracy point of view, but for the giggles why the hell not

callum wallace

thermo wrote: »

please watch your punctuation and spelling as a lot of your similar posts are hard to follow.

sorry thermo i was speed typing will not happen again, i will put more consideration into my threads

andy_g

Alot of sites here in Ireland from a quick glance at a map are within highly regulated controlled airspace or class C airspace mostly the lower parts of that airspace depending on how close you are to an airport runs from 0-1500 FT AMGL.

However nearer to the airports for example red barn hrta (closed now) fingal and the exception to vacant as its in mil airspace controlled by Casement (Class C airspace from. 0-FL190 (19000ft AMSL)

And Dublin CTR from 0-FL230

Lastly if you have 20+ players on a site the IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) will class it as a populated area under the regulation All aircraft will have to remain above 1500ft in the populated zone with exception of around airports and aircraft operating under IFR conditions (Instrument Flight Rules) while if you wanted an aircraft overflying a site it would have to operate under VFR (Visual Flight Rules)

So from a pilots perspective (Mine) i cant see it happening here in ireland under the current regulation of irish airspace.

Any light aircraft including helis/fixed wing can cost from 150-900phr (per hour) as you take into account running costs aircraft rental and pilot charges.

Just my 2cents

callum wallace

andy_g wrote: »

Alot of sites here in Ireland from a quick glance at a map are within highly regulated controlled airspace or class C airspace mostly the lower parts of that airspace depending on how close you are to an airport runs from 0-1500 FT AMGL.

However nearer to the airports for example red barn hrta (closed now) fingal and the exception to vacant as its in mil airspace controlled by Casement (Class C airspace from. 0-FL190 (19000ft AMSL)

And Dublin CTR from 0-FL230

Lastly if you have 20+ players on a site the IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) will class it as a populated area under the regulation All aircraft will have to remain above 1500ft in the populated zone with exception of around airports and aircraft operating under IFR conditions (Instrument Flight Rules) while if you wanted an aircraft overflying a site it would have to operate under VFR (Visual Flight Rules)

So from a pilots perspective (Mine) i cant see it happening here in ireland under the current regulation of irish airspace.

Any light aircraft including helis/fixed wing can cost from 150-900phr (per hour) as you take into account running costs aircraft rental and pilot charges.

Just my 2cents

thanks andy for that... i think that has answered my question

c28omzk7ihsxv0

In russia I do believe that they use much more hardware, they even have grenades that you can fire from m203s and explode on impact (Pyro) which sadly cant be used here

callum wallace

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

In russia I do believe that they use much more hardware, they even have grenades that you can fire from m203s and explode on impact (Pyro) which sadly cant be used here

thats why you gota love NI ( northen ireland)

Zomg Okay

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

which sadly cant be used here

Good! I like having all my body parts where they should be. :pac:

c28omzk7ihsxv0

Zomg Okay wrote: »

Good! I like having all my body parts where they should be. :pac:

I don't know if I can post this here, if not I'm sorry mods
Here's some russian pyro it's crazy cool.

Zomg Okay

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

I don't know if I can post this here, if not I'm sorry mods
Here's some russian pyro it's crazy cool.

Yeeaah... definitely don't want those pointed at me.

andy_g

Very similiar to the ones used in spain at the milsims. Mainly used for knocking out tanks and bunkers in certain games.

There basically like thunderflash you use in the Uk and up North

Puding

i would image similar to the two stage phyros used to simulate mortars rounds

callum wallace

Zomg Okay wrote: »

Yeeaah... definitely don't want those pointed at me.

if pyro was ever used at HRTA it could only be a piece of pyro that the mar-shells could throw, anything like a pyro mortar or grenade launcher eing used by a civi goes against the law

thermo

callum wallace wrote: »

if pyro was ever used at HRTA it could only be a piece of pyro that the mar-shells could throw, anything like a pyro mortar or grenade launcher eing used by a civi goes against the law

not true dude........................... once you have the course done and are certified you can use them on a approved site.

callum wallace

thermo wrote: »

not true dude........................... once you have the course done and are certified you can use them on a approved site.

ohhh i am stand corrected, but that must cost alot and take alot of paperwork to do

thermo

callum wallace wrote: »

ohhh i am stand corrected, but that must cost alot and take alot of paperwork to do

anything fun, but potentially dangerous is expensive and requires paperwork!

callum wallace

thermo wrote: »

anything fun, but potentially dangerous is expensive and requires paperwork!

but after seein you and your crew at salute with that cannon,,, now i wana go :P

thermo

callum wallace wrote: »

but after seein you and your crew at salute with that cannon,,, now i wana go :P

Not a hope dude would I let you fire that! It's all mine!!!!!

c28omzk7ihsxv0

thermo wrote: »

Not a hope dude would I let you fire that! It's all mine!!!!!

What is this cannon he speaks of hmm? Please show us a link:p

thermo

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

What is this cannon he speaks of hmm? Please show us a link:p

http://www.photography.paul-walsh.net/entertainment/salute/index.html

some great pics of the cannon firing

c28omzk7ihsxv0

thermo wrote: »

http://www.photography.paul-walsh.net/entertainment/salute/index.html

some great pics of the cannon firing

Damn yoooou crappy I pad!!!

callum wallace

thermo wrote: »

Not a hope dude would I let you fire that! It's all mine!!!!!

:(:(:(:(:(:( ooookkkkkaaaaayyyyy :P

c28omzk7ihsxv0

thermo wrote: »

http://www.photography.paul-walsh.net/entertainment/salute/index.html

some great pics of the cannon firing

That's cool, you do re-enactment, I always wanted to do some medieval re-enactment, then I realized that pretty much everyone interested in the medieval re-enactment is into fairies and worships Celtic gods.

thermo

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

That's cool, you do re-enactment, I always wanted to do some medieval re-enactment, then I realized that pretty much everyone interested in the medieval re-enactment is into fairies and worships Celtic gods.

not all of us!

c28omzk7ihsxv0

I kn

thermo wrote: »

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

That's cool, you do re-enactment, I always wanted to do some medieval re-enactment, then I realized that pretty much everyone interested in the medieval re-enactment is into fairies and worships Celtic gods.

not all of us!

Well, anyone that I tried to join did. Hehe.
Do you wear armour if you do? Cause I know there was one lad from Cork and he made himself a full plate armour suit for himself. I beleive he was basing it on a franco-milanese design, so very intricate and layered. Would have taken forever to make.

thermo

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

I kn
Well, anyone that I tried to join did. Hehe.
Do you wear armour if you do? Cause I know there was one lad from Cork and he made himself a full plate armour suit for himself. I beleive he was basing it on a franco-milanese design, so very intricate and layered. Would have taken forever to make.

armour slows me down too much and restricts movement, light and fast is my preferance.

callum wallace

thermo wrote: »

armour slows me down too much and restricts movement, light and fast is my preferance.

i quote from hurt locker, if i am gona die i wana die comfortably :rolleyes:

c28omzk7ihsxv0

Now I want a suit of armor, and a darth vader costume...

thermo

Brody Obnoxious Garden wrote: »

Now I want a suit of armor, and a darth vader costume...

well you can get tailor made armour done in the czech republic at fairly good rates done by an armour making guild, it really is nice stuff.

the darth veder costume............. your on your own on that one

ronan keane

BOOM

http://www.theknightshop.co.uk/catalog/black-knight-p-557.html?osCsid=ae0f9b48412d3f99c5669eb6d697e189

callum wallace

thermo wrote: »

well you can get tailor made armour done in the czech republic at fairly good rates done by an armour making guild, it really is nice stuff.

the darth veder costume............. your on your own on that one

just for the hell of and for **** and giggles i challenge you to a joust... now i think i left me hoarse outside :P:P

c28omzk7ihsxv0

I warn you, my spears are tipped with tungsten steel haha, no splintering wood for me.
Seriously though, I did see a Darth Vader costume that was 100% Authentic and identical to the real one. THey were like 600 quid a pop though ... If only....

c28omzk7ihsxv0

I warn you, my spears are tipped with tungsten steel haha, no splintering wood for me.
Seriously though, I did see a Darth Vader costume that was 100% Authentic and identical to the real one. THey were like 600 quid a pop though ... If only....

thermo

callum wallace wrote: »

just for the hell of and for **** and giggles i challenge you to a joust... now i think i left me hoarse outside :P:P

i don't fight duels anymore...................... not after the last time............

thermo

ronan keane wrote: »

BOOM

http://www.theknightshop.co.uk/catalog/black-knight-p-557.html?osCsid=ae0f9b48412d3f99c5669eb6d697e189

thats not combat armour, one smack of a "morning star" and it would crumple like a coke can.

andy_g

Off topic madness thread that way

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Back on topic please.

c28omzk7ihsxv0

I had a feeling another mod would catch on eventually hehe.
On topic - imagine flying Apaches and Cobras that fire smart rocket BB launchers. That would be so cool.

thermo

andy_g wrote: »

Off topic madness thread that way

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Back on topic please.

so in summary. rotary wing aircraft are unlikely to be used in an airsoft game here in ireland. pyro is cool.


aviation forum is here *






* for more questions on aircraft

andy_g

thermo wrote: »

so in summary. rotary wing aircraft are unlikely to be used in an airsoft game here in ireland. pyro is cool.


aviation forum is here *






* for more questions on aircraft

Damn you thermo why do you only mod one forum :mad:

*off to A&A to check i have no trolls!

thermo

andy_g wrote: »

Damn you thermo why do you only mod one forum :mad:

*off to A&A to check i have no trolls!

would this thread not be better answered in A&A??

andy_g

thermo wrote: »

would this thread not be better answered in A&A??

Ehhhhh!!!!!!!!! no as its airsoft related and i have given a aviation related post to it , on the other hand if you deleted all the posts back to post one then send it to A&A the Op would be obliterated by the regs in the A&A.

sliabh

To be vaguely on topic, Kildare Helicopters offer charter of an EC120 for €1,200 per hour. Ignore transit time to a site, and lets say it's a 3 minute flight for 4 players, with another 3 minutes to go back and pick up 4 more, and allow 4 minutes each time to load and unload. So 4 people get moved every 10 minutes, and 24 an hour.

€1,200/24 = €50 minimum for your 3 minute jaunt.