Soccer forum application process?

Fishooks12

Ok so Mods feel free to lock at will, not sure should I even be posting a thread on this.

Was wondering would it be at all possible to have a similar style application process for the rugby forum as they do on the soccer one?

Proper discussion was almost impossible after the game today due to an influx of posters looking for nothing more than provincial flaming and slating players without any objective analysis.

Would this be possible and would other posters be in favor of such a move?

As I said feel free to lock this if it's against the charter or anything

CIARAN_BOYLE

Nay

I like the idea, here is where the rules for the soccer forum access requests are set out if anyone is wondering
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055637888

Morf

I just wont read the Irish match threads or any thread with a mention of ROG or Sexton or Kidney in the title.

The decent discussion is far out-weighed by the rubbish.

ScrubsfanChris

Nay

Hey OP mabey add a poll to this thread?

I am all for the idea.

durkadurka

Nay

Mods: If this thread isn't allowed on this forum could you advise where it should be discussed/ voted on/ whatever?

Fishooks12

Nay

durkadurka wrote: »

Mods: If this thread isn't allowed on this forum could you advise where it should be discussed/ voted on/ whatever?

+1

BBDBB

I think you may be over reacting slightly and confusing "reaction" to the game with "discussion about the game"

Burgo

durkadurka wrote: »

Mods: If this thread isn't allowed on this forum could you advise where it should be discussed/ voted on/ whatever?

If not here then feedback probably?

Fishooks12

Nay

Poll added

MungBean

durkadurka wrote: »

Mods: If this thread isn't allowed on this forum could you advise where it should be discussed/ voted on/ whatever?

Feedback is the place for this.

By the way I'd vote no. Same old argument always comes out after a heated match with a few regulars wanting to silence everyone else because they dont think their posts are as valid as their own.

If someone is upto no good report it and a mod will deal with it or lock the thread if it gets out of hand, I seen no threads locked today nor did I see a mass of yellow and red cards or people at each others throats. Wasnt a bad day really.

Tox56

MungBean wrote: »

Feedback is the place for this.

By the way I'd vote no. Same old argument always comes out after a heated match with a few regulars wanting to silence everyone else because they dont think their posts are as valid as their own.

If someone is upto no good report it and a mod will deal with it or lock the thread if it gets out of hand, I seen no threads locked today nor did I see a mass of yellow and red cards or people at each others throats. Wasnt a bad day really.

This is the type of provocative post with no basis whatsoever that is creating this problem.

Hagz

Nay

I just like the idea of a match thread where regular posters can discuss the game. I know it sounds xenophobic:D.

Fishooks12

Nay

MungBean wrote: »

Feedback is the place for this.

By the way I'd vote no. Same old argument always comes out after a heated match with a few regulars wanting to silence everyone else because they dont think their posts are as valid as their own.

If someone is upto no good report it and a mod will deal with it or lock the thread if it gets out of hand, I seen no threads locked today nor did I see a mass of yellow and red cards or people at each others throats. Wasnt a bad day really.

Most of todays match thread was taking up with mindless provincial flaming and player bashing.

I value anyones opinion and some of the bests posts here are by posters who don't regularly post but it would stop people waltzing over looking for nothing but trouble and flaming

MungBean

Tox56 wrote: »

This is the type of provocative post with no basis whatsoever that is creating this problem.

What ? How is that provocative ? Its the truth, every so often a few regulars get tired of the "nonsense" posts and seek to limit it by changing the forum.

Fight_Night

Nay

Definitely for it.

Fight_Night

Nay

MungBean wrote: »

What ? How is that provocative ? Its the truth, every so often a few regulars get tired of the "nonsense" posts and seek to limit it by changing the forum.

People saying "Sexton is ****e drop him off the squad" and comments to that effect are nonsense.

totallegend

Not really in favour of this to be honest; while the forum goes up in flames during the big matches to some extent, I think most of the regulars can spot the trolls and idiots and filter them out accordingly.

It makes me sad and confused when I see people who should know better taking the bait from obvious spoofers.

thomond2006

Nay

I would be in favour of it, but it would probably require more manpower to run an application system. Then again, it would make the modding of "peak" threads less troublesome IMO.

MungBean

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Most of todays match thread was taking up with mindless provincial flaming and player bashing.

I value anyones opinion and some of the bests posts here are by posters who don't regularly post but it would stop people waltzing over looking for nothing but trouble and flaming

Most match threads are taken up by nonsense anyway though, a lot of people will wander in and talk crap and some will stick around. If you have it as permission only you'll get those who really want to cause trouble or vent their frustrating applying for access and those who just want to reply to an interesting point not bothering.

Problem I have is that what you might call player bashing I might call valid criticism. If its not against the charter as I dont think much of what was said today was then it amounts to you just not liking how other people post which I dont think is a good reason to put the forum on lockdown.

MungBean

Fight_Night wrote: »

People saying "Sexton is ****e drop him off the squad" and comments to that effect are nonsense.

People saying "Murray is brilliant he should start every game" is nonsense to me. Unless a person is abusing a player or breaching the charter then its all down to opinions and I dont like the idea of regular posters dictating which opinions are valid and which are not.

justsomebloke

Ok I'm not sure where the best place for this is but for the moment I will leave this open till I can talk with the other mods.

However from my point of view a lot of the crap is from people with a high enough post count so I don't actually know if it would really make a difference

Hagz

Nay

MungBean wrote: »

Most match threads are taken up by nonsense anyway though, a lot of people will wander in and talk crap and some will stick around. If you have it as permission only you'll get those who really want to cause trouble or vent their frustrating applying for access and those who just want to reply to an interesting point not bothering.

Problem I have is that what you might call player bashing I might call valid criticism. If its not against the charter as I dont think much of what was said today was then it amounts to you just not liking how other people post which I dont think is a good reason to put the forum on lockdown.

Not the Rabo match threads. They are actually a joy to read. Because you don't get such a flood of random extremist posters.

justsomebloke

totallegend wrote: »

It makes me sad and confused when I see people who should know better taking the bait from obvious spoofers.

oh and this

irishbucsfan

Nay

Hagz wrote: »

MungBean wrote: »

Most match threads are taken up by nonsense anyway though, a lot of people will wander in and talk crap and some will stick around. If you have it as permission only you'll get those who really want to cause trouble or vent their frustrating applying for access and those who just want to reply to an interesting point not bothering.

Problem I have is that what you might call player bashing I might call valid criticism. If its not against the charter as I dont think much of what was said today was then it amounts to you just not liking how other people post which I dont think is a good reason to put the forum on lockdown.

Not the Rabo match threads. They are actually a joy to read. Because you don't get such a flood of random extremist posters.

Certain posters here have never seen one of those...


I do think its a bit extreme, but this place is almost completely unbearable during Ireland games.

durkadurka

Nay

MungBean wrote: »

People saying "Murray is brilliant he should start every game" is nonsense to me. Unless a person is abusing a player or breaching the charter then its all down to opinions and I dont like the idea of regular posters dictating which opinions are valid and which are not.

I don't think that would happen. It would prevent seagulls or pigeons or whatever they are called , dropping in, and dumping a load of shyte.

Lots of new people join here all the time and many of them have a lot of good input.

[Jackass]

This is rugby, not football, where we have banter and can poke fun at each other and sometimes get heated without ever a fist being raised, so to preserve this, let's introduce fan segregation and a knacker filter on the forum to protect our sport....just like football...

MungBean

durkadurka wrote: »

I don't think that would happen. It would prevent seagulls or pigeons or whatever they are called , dropping in, and dumping a load of shyte.

Lots of new people join here all the time and many of them have a lot of good input.

But would the people intent on venting or stirring shíte not be the ones more likely to request access ? Most posts that fit the description of "nonsense" in the match threads are not coming from first post accounts. So if everyone today had to request access would the thread be filled with a higher concentration of crap ?

Losty Dublin

Nay

I'd like to see it in some shape or form given the maybe 33% of rather bizarre, inane, silly and downright idiotic posts in the match thread this afternoon.

However it is really just going to happen on the thread of an Ireland match; remember that the general public will be interested in the game and wanting to say something. This means that many inaccurate things will be said as some posters will genuinely be unsure as to what they are talking about and that's with the best of respect to them all. You'd need maybe 6 or 7 mods to vet a thread that busy and if they are watching or are at the match it's nigh impossible.

I voted yes FTR but Lord knows how it would come to.

Hagz

Nay

Come to think of it it would be incredibly hard to govern who deserves access and who doesn't. As mentioned, a lot of the drivel comes from people with a considerable amount of posts. The only way it would be conceivable is if you gained access based on reputation, which doesn't seem right. I guess the only thing to do is wait it out a few days after international matches.

durkadurka

Nay

MungBean wrote: »

But would the people intent on venting or stirring shíte not be the ones more likely to request access ? Most posts that fit the description of "nonsense" in the match threads are not coming from first post accounts. So if everyone today had to request access would the thread be filled with a higher concentration of crap ?

Judging by the soccer forum rules, you wont get accepted straight away, so the casual troll won't get to post, but someone with a genuine interest will persevere.

And new admissions are subject to stricter rules at the start to keep them honest.

No downside as far as I can see.

Fishooks12

Nay

durkadurka wrote: »

Judging by the soccer forum rules, you wont get accepted straight away, so the casual troll won't get to post, but someone with a genuine interest will persevere.

And new admissions are suggest to stricter rules at the start to keep them honest.

No downside as far as I can see.

Ya that would be the way I'd look at it, won't stop trolling by any stretch but even if it kept 10% of the ****e and flaming we had today away it would be worthwhile

ScrubsfanChris

Nay

The time it takes to get accepted is the point, it stops the non-rugular rugby posters coming on and making spare-of-the-moment anger/trolling posts during the games. They might just say "f*ck it" if they have to wait and forget about it.

cgpg5

If the United Chelsea thread today is anything to go by, it won't make a difference

Sindri

What they always say about rugby; it's a high class exclusive sport.

Rugby's popularity has really grown in the last few years. It would be nice for these people with a genuine interest in the game to maybe stick around and possibly learn something. If the mindless idiotic posts are a problem change the charter or actually enforce a rule that means posts must be backed up by an actual opinion rather than just a statement of Sexton is ****, or Earls can't tackle.

These posts should look like, Sexton's decision to do whatever was bad and I feel this is a recurring weakness which I have noticed like when... and Earls technique is wrong he goes too high. People talking ****e should be ignored, receive infractions and be reported so a mod can deal with it, (poor mods). It's not right to close off the forum when there is no discernible trolling and when people's interests in rugby are peaking.

p.s.Please don't give me an infraction.

BBDBB

I tend to agree Sidri. Its great in theory but it comes down to opinion as to what constitutes trolling/flaming. Sometimes thats obvious, but more often its not and the mod has to make a decision on the spot in the knowledge that some folk think he should have stepped in sooner/harsher and others think they should be more tolerant. They cant win!

MungBean

durkadurka wrote: »

Judging by the soccer forum rules, you wont get accepted straight away, so the casual troll won't get to post, but someone with a genuine interest will persevere.

And new admissions are subject to stricter rules at the start to keep them honest.

No downside as far as I can see.

But they will apply and they will be granted access. So if they dont post in todays match thread they will be back next time Ireland lose because they are mostly people who post in other forums drifting in.

Downside as I see it is it will take a lot more modding and in a months time 99% of these nonsesne posts will be back. And it would be pretty frustrating for someone coming in to comment on a match or an incident and being told to come back another time. Most people who post here post around match time and with something specific to say I think. I dont think that would be fair to exclude people from a discussion on the basis that current regulars may not like what they have to say.

Trojan

Regardless of popularly if the idea, it is highly unlikely we'll implement this for a simple reason: most trouble on the Rugby forum comes from postings by long time members, not new members.

Closing as off-topic, feel free to bring to Feedback if you want to discuss further.