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Cars on Carzone - why so expensive?
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05-02-2012 8:56pm#1
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This may sound odd but to me the whole donedeal site is very dodgy looking. There site should really be revamped. Carzone ads just seem more professional.
Professonal but labourious. There's no search box on the home page and when you do have a search box and type in 'Audi 1.8T 2003' you get one result - a Renault Laguna.
With Done Deal you get straight to what you're looking for.People willing to pay the money for carzone have more respect for the car they are selling. I know which one I would be happier buying from.
To the tune of a 30% or more increase in prices (assuming for the sake of discussion that the Audi A4 example detailed here is typical)??
I know which one I would be happier buying from.
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antiskeptic wrote: »Not if the average online price is restricted to private ads on Done Deal - in which case I'd get it for 3.3k.............
It's not though
How long is that one up on donedeal? Have you rang the seller, they may well let it go for less than €3.3K.
If your buddy is buying his next car from a dealer using the cost to change info with and without the A4 would be a useful guide, the current valuation ye are using is a load of arse.
The crux of this is that you seem to really want your buddies A4.0 -
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antiskeptic wrote: »Professonal but labourious. There's no search box on the home page and when you do have a search box and type in 'Audi 1.8T 2003' you get one result - a Renault Laguna.
With Done Deal you get straight to what you're looking for.
There's 2 search options on the Carzone homepage. And what the hell is an "Audi 1.8T"? Are you looking for a specific model or just all Audi's?
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RoverJames wrote: »It's not though
To clarify: I was referring to the average online asking price being restricted to cars that appear on DoneDeal.
If I do that and exclude Carzone then the average asking is 3.8K. If I include DoneDeal and Carzone then the average asking rises to 4.45k.
Reason to exclude Carzone from the off.How long is that one up on donedeal? Have you rang the seller, they may well let it go for less than €3.3K. The crux of this is that you seem to really want your buddies A4.
It's not so much that I really want my buddies car (it's one of the more boring looking 1.8's tbh), it's more that I value insight into it's history - it's been in the family since 2006.
Sure, I could possibly squeeze a few more hundred off the very cheapest cars on the market but would have fuzzier insight into whether or not someone was unloading their trouble on me. A couple of hundred saving vs. that kind of peace of mind??0 -
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14 vs 10
Can only see 3 on Donedeal
http://www.donedeal.ie/search/search/search.do?words=2003+Audi+A4+1.8t&Submit=Search§ion=&county=&type=all0 -
10 - http://www.donedeal.co.uk/search/search/search.do;jsessionid=C14D39EE218610513B21E12D48269FB3.search1?county=&filter%28min_price%29=&filter%28max_price%29=&source=private&source=trade&words=2003+Audi+A4+1.8&Submit=Search§ion=&county=&type=allRoverJames wrote: »
That's why searching by keyword is crap!0 -
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antiskeptic wrote: »Not many of either at around the 100K mark. 4 or so on Done Deal, 3 on Carzone last I looked
Where else should I focus?
Ok, I'll try and explain, your assumption is .........."The assumption is that (at this price bracket) folk are getting circa 500 less than asking.
Unless folk are supposing that you can chop significantly more from what are already the bottom-priced cars on the market."
Because the average price on donedeal is lower than carzone you are trying to rationalise why the average should be taken from donedeal only.
To me this is arse biscuits given the assumption above 0 -
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RoverJames wrote: »Ok, I'll try and explain,
Okay.your assumption is .........."The assumption is that (at this price bracket) folk are getting circa 500 less than asking.
Rationalisation I:
At this price point, people likely aren't going to drop average 2000 from asking. Nor 1500 from asking. Nor 1000 from asking. And if they did you might have to wonder why they did. This doesn't exclude somebody absolutely desperate and selling the genuine article but...
500 seems a reasonable average drop from asking at this price point ..is the rationalisation. You might not agree with an average of 500 in which case I'd ask you to suggest what you think the average price drop would be.Because the average price on donedeal is lower than carzone you are trying to rationalise why the average should be taken from donedeal only.
Rationalisation II
The rationalisation for establishing an average asking price limited to DoneDeal is the same rationalisation I'd have for buying a pair of Levi 501's in Arnotts and not Brown Thomas.
Brown Thomas adds no value that I'm interested in paying for.
My mate needn't share that rationalisation - he might value the Brown Thomas/Carzone bag the Levis/A4 come in and figure to do better there - in which case we part company. But he's a rational guy just like me so I don't suppose that will happen.To me this is arse biscuits given the assumption above
Your explanation hasn't joined the dots. The rationalisation for assuming a drop from asking is a separate one to the rationalisation for arriving at an average selling price through DoneDeal alone.0 -
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antiskeptic wrote: »..............
At this price point, people likely aren't going to drop average 2000 from asking. Nor 1500 from asking. Nor 1000 from asking. And if they did you might have to wonder why they did. This doesn't exclude somebody absolutely desperate and selling the genuine article but...
500 seems a reasonable average drop from asking at this price point ..is the rationalisation. You might not agree with an average of 500 in which case I'd ask you to suggest what you think the average price drop would be.
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Given this assumption the folks on Carzone and Donedeal all flog their A4s for €500 less than their asking price
Arsebiscuits, but that's your assumption.0 -
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RoverJames wrote: »Given this assumption the folks on Carzone and Donedeal all flog their A4s for €500 less than their asking price
Arsebiscuits, but that's your assumption.
In case it wasn't clear, the assumption is that folks on DoneDeal, who are asking at the price point in question (3.8K) sell for 500 less than that asking price. On average. Carzone isn't of any interest to me.
If you don't agree with this 500 quid estimation then you might perhaps insert your own estimation of an average drop in asking at this price point. Because in order to consider the option of my mates car I have to work off some estimation or other.0 -
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RoverJames wrote: »lol, so it's a €3.3k car, exactly €500 less than the average of similar yokes on DoneDeal :pac:
... according to the 'formula' being utilised: average on DoneDeal minus 500 quid.
You sound surprised..Offer him €3300 so, end of story.
You've been hinting at ways to slice what appear to be quite considerable amounts from a 3.8k average ask. And so..
- if excluding traipsing around the country for weeks on end looking at a succession of ... arse biscuits .. in the hope of finding the candidate you seek
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- if excluding the hardly-cost-free benefits of travelling to England in the hope of avoiding a plethora of arse biscuits there..
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- if excluding the kind of occasional singular lead that might appear in the local free paper on on the notice board in Tescos
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- if excluding the utterly irrelevant VRT price.
..perhaps you could quantify what you would expect those savings to be. And what value you would place on a a history only a friend could supply?
By 'quantify' I mean a something that includes some numbers. 0 -
antiskeptic wrote: »... ..............
You've been hinting at ways to slice what appear to be quite considerable amounts from a 3.8k average ask. And so......................
Have I?
I reckon the method you are using is arsebiscuits.
Given you are employing it though, ignoring all Carzone adds for no actual reason apart from you thinking they are overprices is further arsebiscuits.
I've already suggested using the cost to change with and without the A4 as a possible method of calculating it's value as a private sale 0 -
RoverJames wrote: »I reckon the method you are using is arsebiscuits.
VRT is clearly arse biscuits since it isn't the market.
England is clearly arse biscuits since you have to factor in hard-to-quantify costs
Tesco's notice board and the local free paper is self-explanatory arse biscuits (unless your time isn't money)Given you are employing it though, ignoring all Carzone adds for no actual reason apart from you thinking they are overprices is further arsebiscuits.
I gave a reason alright. I don't see the point in shopping in Brown Thomas for Levi's 501's when the same product is stocked in Arnotts for less.
You've chosen to ignore that particular piece of the argumentI've already suggested using the cost to change with and without the A4 as a possible method of calculating it's value as a private sale
Could you run that one by me again?0 -
I used carzone in the past to sell one of my old cars. It was also on buy and sell (back in the day :pac:) for the same price. I asked most of the callers where they saw the ad, most said buy and sell (one trader rang offering me less than half for the car and after I asked him where he saw the car I told him to feck off :P) The people who bought my car told me they saw the ad on buy and sell
Recently selling my old car (last wednesday), it was exclusively on donedeal. Sold in just 2 hours, the phone was hopping mad, new record :eek:
If I may be honest, I can't see much of a future for carzone or car buyers guide. Just my 2 centabos worth :cool:0 -
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antiskeptic wrote: ».............
Could you run that one by me again?
No, it's a fairly simple concept, read it again perhaps
I'm hardly going to bother explaining it when you're being sarcy over ignored analogies with the retailing of jeans.0 -
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RoverJames wrote: »No, it's a fairly simple concept, read it again perhaps
Since you didn't write anything that could be read so as to glean an explanation of things in the first place .. it's hardly worth reading it again.
I'll take it from your silence that your 'alternative sources' of A4's can be laid aside in our discussion.I'm hardly going to bother explaining it when you're being sarcy over ignored analogies with the retailing of jeans.
It was less an analogy and more an observation. One market offers no justification for being higher priced than another for the same product.
So why would I shop there?0 -
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RoverJames wrote: »If you can't glean anything from the point above it's hardly a reflection on me.
Surely you're opening a bag of variables there: the level of the car being purchased, the 'fit' of the traded in car on the dealers forecourt,
If a dealers trade-in was an accurate reflection of private sale pricing then you wouldn't have people trying to sell their cars privately rather than trading them in.What are you on about? Where did I mention an alternative source of A4s?
Here:Buy and sell, donedeal, local free adds, UK sites + VRT etc etc etc
The more samples the better to get an average.
I've discounted UK sites & VRT as having nothing pertinent to say on the issue of average pricing .. for reasons given.
There's an element of practicality in all this - no one would argue that you couldn't trawl through every pertinent avenue for a4's of that spec - in order to come up with a more accurate average.
But am I really going to scan in places where a car of that spec might come up once in a blue moon? The point of DoneDeal/Carzone and the like is that you're at the source where the bulk of the cars are sold.
And unless there is some reason to suppose that CarZone is adding value (other than the 'appearances' reasons so far suggested) it has all the allure of a Brown Thomas. 0 -
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