Govt's plan for 600k new social welfare biometric cards

cursai

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ojmhidojojey/

Am delighted to hear this!
Mary Kate (Insert name) and Mary (Insert name)_same person, wont be able to claim the social twice anymore by going to the next town.

People will be screaming about the 'Governent' collecting tissue samples and brain stems on the cards whilst at the same time tracking our sex lives and putting advertisements into our brains........But thats just hogwash. Sure were all on file anyway whether it be in the social welfare department, An Garda Siochana or on the Interweb browser's cookies.

Hope this goes through without being stopped by the clapping like trained seals for praise liberals.

Agricola

Yeah, Im glad they're focusing on the important stuff anyway.... :rolleyes:

henryporter

Speaking as one of the 'squeezed middle'; my heart bleeds:D

miller50841

Even if it cost more then that it would still be worth while as sometimes you have to spend a lot to save a lot more money and this would defo help make things a bit more difficult for the system to be abused we need more things like this. Fair play for bringing it up.:o

TeddyTedson

If only they'd have regulated the banks to such an extent ey:rolleyes:
You know they're not too optimistic for the next few years when they appear to be obsessing over how to run the social welfare.

woodoo

Agricola wrote: »

Yeah, Im glad they're focusing on the important stuff anyway.... :rolleyes:

Considering we are bringing in €35 billion a year and spending €21 billion a year on welfare i think it couldn't be more important.

Haelium

TeddyTedson wrote: »

If only they'd have regulated the banks to such an extent ey:rolleyes:

That was Fianna Fáil.
You're thinking of the wrong government.

TheZohanS

I'd like to see this done on a Europe-wide basis and for the cards to be issued to everyone as a National Identity card that we can use across the EU instead of passports.

RichieC

Its a good idea no doubt about it.

TeddyTedson

Haelium wrote: »

That was Fianna Fáil.
You're thinking of the wrong government.

In fairness I don't remember any of the opposition parties bringing this up either.
The Canadians were on the ball with their banks.

Oh well, the world is going through a huge transitional period and I suspect the **** is only getting in to second gear.

44leto

About time.

positron

I hope they would outsource this project to Germans or Japanese, so that it will actually get done - unlike the e voting machine disaster.

Duckworth_Luas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLakgUosAsM

Shut up McGoohan!

Agricola

woodoo wrote: »

Considering we are bringing in €35 billion a year and spending €21 billion a year on welfare i think it couldn't be more important.

Maybe we should put the fire on the roof out before we start worrying about saving the furniture. The 100 billion euro elephant in the room isnt going away.

token101

Definitely outsource this!! Knowing the way government systems are, if you lose your card, you won't be able to order a new one until you've obtained new eyes and had a finger transplant.

SafeSurfer

cursai wrote: »

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ojmhidojojey/

Am delighted to hear this!
Mary Kate (Insert name) and Mary (Insert name)_same person, wont be able to claim the social twice anymore by going to the next town.

People will be screaming about the 'Governent' collecting tissue samples and brain stems on the cards whilst at the same time tracking our sex lives and putting advertisements into our brains........But thats just hogwash. Sure were all on file anyway whether it be in the social welfare department, An Garda Siochana or on the Interweb browser's cookies.

Hope this goes through without being stopped by the clapping like trained seals for praise liberals.

Speak for yourself. Just because you jump at every chance to give a semen sample.

TeddyTedson

woodoo wrote: »

Considering we are bringing in €35 billion a year and spending €21 billion a year on welfare i think it couldn't be more important.

Hmm, I'm not condoning social welfare fraud in any way but, how much do you think this will save them per year. I'd much rather see them putting more time into stoping to the whole country subsidising millionaires from buying back properties back at a fraction of the price.

bfocusd

They already have the photos implemented, you've to provide two, theres one on your file in the social for when you sign and as far as I know the other is going to be transfered to the cards.

I think its a brilliant idea, I know a person whos working as themselves and claiming as a relative who moved abroad. They've been reported but somehow nothing ever came of it.

It's totally wrong, and hopefully people scamming will be caught prosecuted and made repay the money.

token101

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Hmm, I'm not condoning social welfare fraud in any way but, how much do you think this will save them per year. I'd much rather see them putting more time into stoping to the whole country subsidising millionaires from buying back properties back at a fraction of the price.

How would you do that? The market has collapsed, they are as entitled to buy at low prices as anyone.

cursai

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Speak for yourself. Just because you jump at every chance to give a semen sample.

MUST......MAKE......1000th.....POST.......Good............ARRRGH!!!!!!!!!


FLUFFY JUGGERNUTS

woodoo

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Hmm, I'm not condoning social welfare fraud in any way but, how much do you think this will save them per year. I'd much rather see them putting more time into stoping to the whole country subsidising millionaires from buying back properties back at a fraction of the price.

They should be doing both imo.

token101

bfocusd wrote: »

They already have the photos implemented, you've to provide two, theres one on your file in the social for when you sign and as far as I know the other is going to be transfered to the cards.

I think its a brilliant idea, I know a person whos working as themselves and claiming as a relative who moved abroad. They've been reported but somehow nothing ever came of it.

It's totally wrong, and hopefully people scamming will be caught prosecuted and made repay the money

And fined heavily. Prison would be nice, but we can't exactly afford that. You can't pay the fine, assets seized and sold by the state. Cars, tvs, anything should be fair game after the family home.

cursai

The clapping seals are about to explode! Who can carry a biometric card in their hemp hoodies.

dxhound2005

token101 wrote: »

Definitely outsource this!! Knowing the way government systems are, if you lose your card, you won't be able to order a new one until you've obtained new eyes and had a finger transplant.

If I had a card which I needed to get my money every week I would be very careful not to lose it.

bfocusd

Some friends know of a man in ballyfermot who was claiming a acquaintances pension for years, he was found out when the person turned 100 and had a presidents thing delivered to the house, it was only then it came out the person had passed away, he's only paying back what he can afford out of his payment!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/man-claimed-pension-of-dead-friend-for-23-years-2014998.html

I apologise I mixed it up with another case in which a woman commit similar fraud:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/daughter-collected-dead-mums-pension-for-12-years-1731146.html

TeddyTedson

token101 wrote: »

How would you do that? The market has collapsed, they are as entitled to buy at low prices as anyone.

Well I don't think someone should be allowed to receive 30 million for a property and buy it back for 20 million. Are sure there are plans that could be drawn up.
Why don't we start letting people who bought houses in 2006 put their homes in to nama and buy them back too? Disgusting country.

cursai

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If I had a card which I needed to get my money every week I would be very careful not to lose it.

It might teach the value of money or free money. I'm all for genuine case getting help from the Social Welfare but these individuals will know the value of what they are receiving and hold onto that card for dear life.
There was a time, maybe it still goes on where a person could 'lose' their money they recieved from the SW and then report it as lost to the Gardai and then recieve the sum again. True story.

dxhound2005

cursai wrote: »

It might teach the value of money or free money. I'm all for genuine case getting help from the Social Welfare but these individuals will know the value of what they are receiving and hold onto that card for dear life.
There was a time, maybe it still goes on where a person could 'lose' their money they recieved from the SW and then report it as lost to the Gardai and then recieve the sum again. True story.

"Lost" cards usually find their way into the posession of a family member of the owner and is then used to try to get the payment fraudulently. If this suceeds the owner then reports it stolen and looks for payment again. Use of CCTV in Postoffices has minimised this practice but the new cards should ensure it will not be possible in future.

phasers

Is this going to be a finger print scanner or what?

cursai

dxhound2005 wrote: »

"Lost" cards usually find their way into the posession of a family member of the owner and is then used to try to get the payment fraudulently. If this suceeds the owner then reports it stolen and looks for payment again. Use of CCTV in Postoffices has minimised this practice but the new cards should ensure it will not be possible in future.

Oh but im talking about lost 'cash'. Yes 'lost' cash. and it gets replaced.
Am also glad to see the budgets of community welfare officers cut back. they weren't strict enough.

Bannasidhe

cursai wrote: »

It might teach the value of money or free money. I'm all for genuine case getting help from the Social Welfare but these individuals will know the value of what they are receiving and hold onto that card for dear life.
There was a time, maybe it still goes on where a person could 'lose' their money they recieved from the SW and then report it as lost to the Gardai and then recieve the sum again. True story.

It may be a 'true story' but until you provide some proof to back up that claim it's hearsay.

dxhound2005

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It may be a 'true story' but until you provide some proof to back up that claim it's hearsay.

The original link may be from Breakingnews.ie but it was announced before. The requirement for a photograph on the card should make it fairly fraud proof unless I am missing something obvious.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/new-biometric-id-card-aims-to-prevent-welfare-fraud-523238.html

Leo Dowling

Pie in the sky idea.

This government hasn't got the balls or the initiative to introduce something like this on a national basis. Will never happen.

Zillah

cursai wrote: »

The clapping seals are about to explode! Who can carry a biometric card in their hemp hoodies.

I wonder if you actually paid attention to what this video is saying. If you did, then I can't really say much beyond laughing at you. It perpetuates the idiotic idea that Obama is a Muslim, resurrects the retarded association between the current President and the existence of the "czars" (an unofficial title usually used for those in advisory positions that has been used for decades). It describes Feminism (amongst other things) as "appalling", continues to conflate liberalism with communism...there's just so much stupidity in one single video.

So, uh, yeah, hope you get along well aligning yourself with the American tea-party.

cursai

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It may be a 'true story' but until you provide some proof to back up that claim it's hearsay.

Cool, but i'll pass. i told a story, non fiction, dont expect a bestseller.

SafeSurfer

cursai wrote: »

The clapping seals are about to explode! Who can carry a biometric card in their hemp hoodies.

All I see is a video with pictues stating in brackets protected or unprotected without any context.

Like men -(unprotected) Unprotected by what? The US constitution? The UN bill of rights/ Labour laws?

Stupid video is stupid.

Bannasidhe

bfocusd wrote: »

Some friends know of a man in ballyfermot who was claiming a acquaintances pension for years, he was found out when the person turned 100 and had a presidents thing delivered to the house, it was only then it came out the person had passed away, he's only paying back what he can afford out of his payment!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/man-claimed-pension-of-dead-friend-for-23-years-2014998.html

I apologise I mixed it up with another case in which a woman commit similar fraud:
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/daughter-collected-dead-mums-pension-for-12-years-1731146.html

So that's 2 out of how many? Hell, that's enough to condemn everyone.
There are 439,589 currently on the Live Register claiming JSB/JSA http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/labourmarket/2012/lreg_jan2012.pdf- let's see how many Indo articles we can find on fraud shall we? 10? 12? 20?

Personally I have no problem with the biometric card - as long as they don't use retina scanning because my left eye doesn't register for some reason even though it is obviously there.

Logical Fallacy

SafeSurfer wrote: »

All I see is a video with pictues stating in brackets protected or unprotected without any context.

Like men -(unprotected) Unprotected by what? The US constitution? The UN bill of rights/ Labour laws?

Stupid video is stupid.

It's also a pro-conservative video that used a song from the notoriously left wing band Live.

So once again it's back to the "left wingers are smarter than right wingers thread". lol

Nodin

cursai wrote: »

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The clapping seals are about to explode! Who can carry a biometric card in their hemp hoodies.

Just as a matter of interest, do you have any real interest in the subject of your OP, or are you just seeing if you can goad somebody into telling you to fuck off or the like?

cursai

SafeSurfer wrote: »

All I see is a video with pictues stating in brackets protected or unprotected without any context.

Like men -(unprotected) Unprotected by what? The US constitution? The UN bill of rights/ Labour laws?

Stupid video is stupid.

Lads! its just a video! Not the holy grail of political philosophy. A dig at 'so called' liberals. Food for thought.
Actually it is a poor video but its all i could find on my phone. Apologies for the intellectual insult.

Logical Fallacy

cursai wrote: »

Lads! its just a video! Not the holy grail of political philosophy. A dig at 'so called' liberals. Food for thought.
Actually it is a poor video but its all i could find on my phone. Apologies for the intellectual insult.

lol

gbee

It just shows once more how 'leaky' the SW system is and how easily some sections find it getting multiple claims.

gcgirl

bfocusd wrote: »

They already have the photos implemented, you've to provide two, theres one on your file in the social for when you sign and as far as I know the other is going to be transfered to the cards.

I think its a brilliant idea, I know a person whos working as themselves and claiming as a relative who moved abroad. They've been reported but somehow nothing ever came of it.

It's totally wrong, and hopefully people scamming will be caught prosecuted and made repay the money.

We must know the same person !

If you have 2 different pps numbers and indeed I have know a few that have done this with a relative living abroad unless you have actually DNA stored its still open for exploitation

Crazy Horse 6

Nanny state nonsense.

cursai

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

lol

is that a man waving or 'laugh out loud'.
Anyway the New card should a good step forward. Next thing to work on should be a proper driving licence and a standard barcode on your car windscreen which contains all your up to date insurance, tax and other details.

Duiske

Agricola wrote: »

Maybe we should put the fire on the roof out before we start worrying about saving the furniture. .

Nice analogy, but wouldn't it be better to plug the holes in the reservoir first, and leave the rain dance 'till later ?

Bannasidhe

cursai wrote: »

is that a man waving or 'laugh out loud'.
Anyway the New card should a good step forward. Next thing to work on should be a proper driving licence and a standard barcode on your car windscreen which contains all your up to date insurance, tax and other details.

Aw feck it - a barcode tattooed on the back of all our necks would be cheaper and harder to counterfeit.

Bannasidhe

Duiske wrote: »

Nice analogy, but wouldn't it be better to plug the holes in the reservoir first, and leave the rain dance 'till later ?

They are putting water metres on the holes in the reservoir.

cursai

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Aw feck it - a barcode tattooed on the back of all our necks would be cheaper and harder to counterfeit.

Cool then if we forget someones name then we can scan it with our phones and get their info.......WAIT......its Apples master plan isn't it. Damn you Apple!

cursai

Nodin wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, do you have any real interest in the subject of your OP, or are you just seeing if you can goad somebody into telling you to fuck off or the like?

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Nodin

cursai wrote: »

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiceeeeeeeeee!

Well when you start off with

Hope this goes through without being stopped by the clapping like trained seals for praise liberals.

...in the OP (let alone later remarks), it doesn't strike me that you're looking for reasoned debate/discussion.