Terry stripped of England captaincy

mike65

details to follow.......oh wait that's all you need to know! :pac:

El Weirdo

Wow. Didn't think the FA would do it. Right decision, imo.

John Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy by the Football Association's chairman, David Bernstein. It is understood that the defender was informed of the decision, the second time that he has lost the captaincy for off-the-pitch reasons, shortly before 10am this morning.

The FA have yet to officially confirm the reports, which suggest the decision was made by the FA's board at a meeting last night, but an announcement is expected today. Terry is also yet to respond.

The announcement on Wednesday that Terry's trial for racially abusing the Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League game played last October had been scheduled for 9 July, leaving the Chelsea centre-back free to represent and possibly captain his country at Euro 2012, which ends a week earlier.

But anti-racism campaigners were among those who insisted that a footballer should not lead his country while facing charges of such magnitude. "The seriousness of the allegations mean that he can't lead the nation," said Piara Power, executive director of Football Against Racism in Europe. "The FA must do the right thing."

The England manager, Fabio Capello, is currently out of the country, and due to return to watch a Premier League game tomorrow. He had selected Terry for the matches against Spain and Sweden last November despite the allegations, after consulting senior figures at the FA including Bernstein. "We need to wait what will happen about the FA investigation and the police investigation, but I can tell you he is innocent until proven guilty," he said at the time. "This is a really important thing for me and the FA."

Terry has consistently denied racially abusing Ferdinand. "I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence," he said when the criminal charge was announced in December. "I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society."

It is the second time that Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy, the previous occasion coming in 2010 after intense speculation about the player's private life.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/03/john-terry-stripped-england-captaincy

Sponge Bob

mike65 wrote: »

details to follow.......oh wait that's all you need to know! :pac:

Good

super_furry

Nevermind the captaincy, he should be told there's no place for him in the team.

Tigerbaby

This is a disgrace. Like Suarez, hung out to dry on the cold winds of the PC thought police. What happened to fair and due legal process?

Another good job done by the FA ( Ferguson Association).

El Weirdo

What sort of person do you have be to get stripped of the captaincy twice in your career?

Stay classy, JT.

LuckyLloyd

"Innocent until proven guilty".

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super_furry

Tigerbaby wrote: »

This is a disgrace. Like Suarez, hung out to dry on the cold winds of the PC thought police. What happened to fair and due legal process?

Another good job done by the FA ( Ferguson Association).

Unlike Suarez there's actual evidence there for the world to see. The FA simply can't have him in the England squad after everyone saw him call another player a black bastard.

average_runner

I have no time for Terry.

But at the moment he is an innocent man. If he is not found guilty i hope he sues the arse out of the FA.

I understand where the FA are coming from though.

So are they going to give it to Ferdninand, a player that was guilty of a drug offence by failing to do a drug test.!!!

El Weirdo

Tigerbaby wrote: »

What happened to fair and due legal process?

The FA haven't convicted him.

Plenty of employers would do the same, i.e. suspend an employee until the trial was over, especially for something so serious.

It's for the best of the team.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Tigerbaby wrote: »

Another good job done by the FA ( Ferguson Association).

Yes, because he really cares who captains England. If he had his way then no United players would be picked for England, ffs.

AnCapaillMor

Tigerbaby wrote: »

This is a disgrace. Like Suarez, hung out to dry on the cold winds of the PC thought police. What happened to fair and due legal process?

Another good job done by the FA ( Ferguson Association).

It's different suarez is mexican so he's being victimised, england players never do bad things.

PHB

I wonder will they give it to him again?

IMO, he's not first choice anyway. I think he's always been a liability in International football and frankly, at this stage in his career, I'd have him possibly as 3rd/4th choice.

johnnyjb

Tigerbaby wrote: »

This is a disgrace. Like Suarez, hung out to dry on the cold winds of the PC thought police. What happened to fair and due legal process?

Another good job done by the FA ( Ferguson Association).

What has fergie got to do with it ?

Trying to kill two birds with the one stone with that comment.

I agree your innocent till proven guilty but in reality you get judged by past experiences and the guy has a bad rep in the human being department.

I think if they are going take the band off him they should drop him also.

If you think about it in soccer terms ,its like a ref giving a defender a yellow for a foul in his own area but not awarding the striker a penalty. One decision alters the other outcome.

Tigerbaby

super_furry wrote: »

Unlike Suarez there's actual evidence there for the world to see. The FA simply can't have him in the England squad after everyone saw him call another player a black bastard.

How do you know what he called him? I thought this was the purpose of the court date in July. As far as I know JT called him a blind c*nt.

Hung drawn and quartered.

average_runner

El Weirdo wrote: »

The FA haven't convicted him.

Plenty of employers would do the same, i.e. suspend an employee until the trial was over, especially for something so serious.

It's for the best of the team.

He hasnt been suspended of the captaincy, its been stripped. Two totally different things!!

A company wouldnt sack you unless you were found guilty

MagicMarker

average_runner wrote: »

So are they going to give it to Ferdninand, a player that was guilty of a drug offence by failing to do a drug test.!!!

What drug offence was he guilty of?

Cantona's Collars

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

It's different suarez is mexican so he's being victimised, england players never do bad things.

Geography fail,he's Uraguayan. He had his hearing and was found to have made racist comments & lied.

average_runner

MagicMarker wrote: »

What drug offence was he guilty of?

Missing the test is considered a drug offence in football terms.

AnCapaillMor

zerks wrote: »

Geography fail,he's Uraguayan. He had his hearing and was found to have made racist comments & lied.

Spotting irony\sarcasm fail.

MagicMarker

average_runner wrote: »

Missing the test is considered a drug offence in football terms.

Link?

Mitch Connor

average_runner wrote: »

He hasnt been suspended of the captaincy, its been stripped. Two totally different things!!

A company wouldnt sack you unless you were found guilty

he hasn't been suspended from the team either. he can still play, so he hasn't been sacked either.

Cantona's Collars

average_runner wrote: »

Missing the test is considered a drug offence in football terms.

He retook it & was clean.Strange that on the same day a City player climbed out of the window at the City training ground when he heard they were calling there too,never heard any more about that :rolleyes:

Back on topic,with this hanging over Terry and the FA's anti racism campaign,they can't have a guy who is to appear in court on racism charges leading the national team.
On a personal note,delighted for him,he's just not a likeable person in any way.Won't go any further than that as I'll end up getting an infraction.

average_runner

Link to what?

What did he get ban for?????

He missed a drugs test, simple as and got banned for it.

Cant give captaincy to player for doing that.

John terry hasnt even be found guilty by the FA yet!!!

MagicMarker

average_runner wrote: »

Link to what?

What did he get ban for?????

He missed a drugs test, simple as and got banned for it.

Cant give captaincy to player for doing that.

John terry hasnt even be found guilty by the FA yet!!!

Well I'd consider a drug offence to be guilty of taking drugs, and being banned for missing a test is not being banned for taking drugs.

Cantona's Collars

AnCapaillMor wrote: »

Spotting irony\sarcasm fail.

No fail there bud,just facts. You should take of the tinfoil hat,there was no conspiracy-he racially abused a player and served his ban.

average_runner

zerks wrote: »

He retook it & was clean.Strange that on the same day a City player climbed out of the window at the City training ground when he heard they were calling there too,never heard any more about that :rolleyes:

Back on topic,with this hanging over Terry and the FA's anti racism campaign,they can't have a guy who is to appear in court on racism charges leading the national team.
On a personal note,delighted for him,he's scum.Won't go any further than that as I'll end up getting an infraction.

Link to Man city player? Might of been clean two days later but drugs have a habit of been in your system for a certain amount of time, did the test 2 days time when he knew it was out of his system???

At the end of the day you cant give him the captaincy either.

And in fairness Ferdinand and Terry shouldnt be the centre of defence for England as both over the hill and better players out there.

average_runner

MagicMarker wrote: »

Well I'd consider a drug offence to be guilty of taking drugs, and being banned for missing a test is not being banned for taking drugs.

So not a drug related ban? Why were the anti doping agency informed of it???

TheSpecialOne

Good Riddance to the Man...one of the most despicable characeters ever to play. (Im Assuming he cannot be picked for Euro's)

That_Guy

Does anybody really give a flying fúck? Seriously.

I sense this thread is going to be an absolute shít storm.

MagicMarker

average_runner wrote: »

So not a drug related ban? Why were the anti doping agency informed of it???

He was banned for missing a test, you can try and spin it any way you like it doesn't change the facts.

kryogen

Tigerbaby wrote: »

This is a disgrace. Like Suarez, hung out to dry on the cold winds of the PC thought police. What happened to fair and due legal process?

Another good job done by the FA ( Ferguson Association).

What the **** does Fergie have to do with this?

get a life little boy

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Personally I think Terry should have handed over the captaincy, innocent until proven guilty or not, going into a major championship you do not need to have a legal situation like he was facing hanging over the squad.

Couldnt have been a positive thing anyway.

pistolpetes11

Give it too Scott Parker.

average_runner

MagicMarker wrote: »

He was banned for missing a test, you can try and spin it any way you like it doesn't change the facts.

But what test did he miss??? Was it a DRUGS test??????

So he was banned for failing to take a DRUGS tests, which is fall under the rules of what in sport?

Doesnt fall under the rule of violent behaviour
Doesnt fall under the rule of improper conduct!!!

average_runner

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Give it too Scott Parker.

Maybe, but England dont have any real leaders on the pitch.

kryogen

average_runner wrote: »

But what test did he miss??? Was it a DRUGS test??????

So he was banned for failing to take a DRUGS tests, which is fall under the rules of what in sport?

Doesnt fall under the rule of violent behaviour
Doesnt fall under the rule of improper conduct!!!

But you seem to be confusing failing to take a drug test and failing a drug test

average_runner

Will Rio shake hands with Terry on Sunday?????

If Rio knows what he said and if it was racist, will he do it or support little brother?

average_runner

kryogen wrote: »

But you seem to be confusing failing to take a drug test and failing a drug test

So what category did the ban fall under? Just like to know as i could be wrong.

That_Guy

average_runner wrote: »

Will Rio shake hands with Terry on Sunday?????

If Rio knows what he said and if it was racist, will he do it or support little brother?

Oh for fúck sake. :rolleyes:

kryogen

Rio may not be on the field so could be a non issue tbh

Cantona's Collars

That_Guy wrote: »

I sense this thread is going to be an absolute shít storm.

Already we've had mentions of Fergie conspiracies,Suarez being framed and Rio's missed drug test.

Can see this being locked very soon.

Terry hasn't a moral bone in his body or any redeeming human characteristics.If he had,he would have handed over the captaincy from day one of this.John Terry cares about nobody except John Terry.

super_furry

average_runner wrote: »

Sorry was talking about the guy who you replied too

Sorry I got it wrong, it wasn't 'black bastard', it was 'black c*nt'.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/12/15/new-video-evidence-in-john-terryanton-ferdinand-alleged-racist-abuse-investigation-could-prove-crucial/

The police have interviewed four of Terry’s Chelsea team-mates on the matter – Ashley Cole, John Obi Mikel, Branislav Ivanovic and David Luiz – but none were able to confirm or deny the version of events put forward by the England centre back who has insisted that Ferdinand had shouted “did you just call me a black ****?” and that he was merely answering back “no, I didn’t call you a black ****”.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/John-Terry-racism-probe-Mirror-reveals-damning-details-of-Anton-Ferdinand-incident-article822793.html


After TV footage appeared to show the Chelsea and England skipper calling QPR’s Anton Ferdinand a “f****** black c**t” in Sunday’s London derby, Terry claimed his words were misconstrued.

He insisted he actually said: “No, I didn’t call you a f****** black c**t” after Ferdinand asked if he had used the offensive words.

GavRedKing

So far we've manged to drag Suarez and Rio into a JT losing his captaincy thread?

I love the SF at times.

For whats it worth I couldnt give two monkeys about it. He should just retire now from international duty now anyway and put it to bed.

FA had every right to strip him of it but whether they shoudl have or not is another matter.

kryogen

average_runner wrote: »

So what category did the ban fall under? Just like to know as i could be wrong.

www.google.com

NinjaK

right job for him, give it to rio imo

MagicMarker

average_runner wrote: »

But what test did he miss??? Was it a DRUGS test??????

So he was banned for failing to take a DRUGS tests, which is fall under the rules of what in sport?

Doesnt fall under the rule of violent behaviour
Doesnt fall under the rule of improper conduct!!!

It falls under the failure to take a test rule.

Kess73

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

He never admitted using the words (Black BasT%ard) thats complete and utter lies.

He admitted to using the words Black c*nt in a sentence but claims that the context of what he said has been twisted by others.

Terry came out and said that was he shouted at Ferdinand was along the lines of "I did not call you a black c*nt" after someone said to him that's what he was being accused of.

There are plenty of direct quotes from Terry where he says that what he was saying was taking out of context.

"I'm disappointed that people have leapt to the wrong conclusions about the context of what I was seen to be saying to Anton Ferdinand"

So the actual words that were said are not in doubt, Black C*nt are the words that both sides of the row agree on.

One side is saying that those words were used in an offensive manner, and Terry is saying that he used those words when he was telling Ferdinand that he did not say those words.

average_runner

super_furry wrote: »

Sorry I got it wrong, it wasn't 'black bastard', it was 'black c*nt'.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/12/15/new-video-evidence-in-john-terryanton-ferdinand-alleged-racist-abuse-investigation-could-prove-crucial/

The police have interviewed four of Terry’s Chelsea team-mates on the matter – Ashley Cole, John Obi Mikel, Branislav Ivanovic and David Luiz – but none were able to confirm or deny the version of events put forward by the England centre back who has insisted that Ferdinand had shouted “did you just call me a black ****?” and that he was merely answering back “no, I didn’t call you a black ****”.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/John-Terry-racism-probe-Mirror-reveals-damning-details-of-Anton-Ferdinand-incident-article822793.html


After TV footage appeared to show the Chelsea and England skipper calling QPR’s Anton Ferdinand a “f****** black c**t” in Sunday’s London derby, Terry claimed his words were misconstrued.

He insisted he actually said: “No, I didn’t call you a f****** black c**t” after Ferdinand asked if he had used the offensive words.

Sorry the start of the article says the following "
It’s been reported that dramatic new video evidence has been handed to the police that relates to the incident from October 23rd that led to calls of alleged racist remarks being made by Chelsea skipper John Terry to QPR defender Anton Ferdinand."

That doesnt mean he actually said it!!

Caveman1

NinjaK wrote: »

right job for him, give it to rio imo

Will Rio even be in the squad for the euros?

I wonder how Capello feels about this? He seems to be excluded from all the FA decisions. Cant imagine he's too happy

Cantona's Collars

MagicMarker wrote: »

It falls under the failure to take a test rule.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Terry fails a drug test.Hear his dad has plenty of the stuff.

Mr.Crinklewood

zerks wrote: »

Already we've had mentions of Fergie conspiracies,Suarez being framed and Rio's missed drug test.

Can see this being locked very soon.

Terry hasn't a moral bone in his body or any redeeming human characteristics.If he had,he would have handed over the captaincy from day one of this.John Terry cares about nobody except John Terry.

Was just about to mention the references to Ferguson and Ferdinand, with these obsessive mentions and people typing in letters this thread is dead by page three.