So, I got attacked...

Doug Cartel

theboxingclinic wrote: »

Ya I find it strangely amusing that "your friend" is staring krav maga classes. What a coincidence

Give it a rest. It looks like a fairly honest coincidence to me.

Dyr

guitarzero wrote: »

Carry a knife. I dont know why everyones so averted to carrying a knife. Carry a knife.

take a look at the arrest/prosecution/convicton rates just for possession of knives, they aren't as high as people might think but would you really want to play with those odds? if you actually used a knife you'd be playing with higher odds again, good luck with that.

Doug Cartel

guitarzero wrote: »

Why?

There are many reasons you shouldn't carry a knife, but one of the main ones is that it is illegal to carry/use one as a weapon. This website does not condone illegal activities.

theboxingclinic

Fantastically well actually thanks for asking!!!

Bambi wrote: »

theboxingclinic wrote: »

Ya I find it strangely amusing that "your friend" is staring krav maga classes. What a coincidence

No need to put "your friend" in quotes there buddy, he is an actual friend. If you suspect its me I've never trained a day in krav maga, I have f**k all interest in it. Have a look at my join date, you think Ive been hanging around here since 2002 building some false persona just for the chance to shill a krav maga class a decade later?

Speaking of free advertising, hows that username working out for ya?

The Bored One

guitarzero wrote: »

Carry a knife. I dont know why everyones so averted to carrying a knife. Carry a knife.

Now there's a plan with no possible negative consequences...If you're gonna go down that route you're much better off getting a pet rock. Draw a face on it and keep it on your person at all times. When you are eventually caught bludgeoning someone to death with it claim to the police that its name is Mr Stitches and its your only friend. This may make a plea of insanity at your trial slightly more successful.*

* The Bored One accepts no responsibilty for anyone stupid enough try the Mr Stitches Defence in real life.

getz

he is between a rock and a hard place,its very easy to be wise after the event,in a crisis and seeing a woman and child in danger most of us would react the same way,i have trained in MA for over 43 years,and have dan grades in three japanese styles and three high grades in other styles,like op i am getting on in years 71 in fact,and i can assure you that he is far to old to start training in most MA styles to reach a competent level,but if he is keen to boost his confidence level,the style that could fit would be traditional shotokan.will not stop him getting a hiding but he could go out with a bang,other answer is carry a pepper or iodine spray,a few squirts should do the trick

guitarzero

Doug Cartel wrote: »

There are many reasons you shouldn't carry a knife, but one of the main ones is that it is illegal to carry/use one as a weapon. This website does not condone illegal activities.

I'm not sure about that - the actual carrying one as surely theres an ambiguity as to why you'd have one. Also, you wouldnt have to use it, I'm sure anyone considering attacking another knowing they have a knife would reconsider.

The Bored One

guitarzero wrote: »

I'm not sure about that - the actual carrying one as surely theres an ambiguity as to why you'd have one. Also, you wouldnt have to use it, I'm sure anyone considering attacking another knowing they have a knife would reconsider.

First off, any ambiguity as to why you have knife counts against you, not for you. Irish law is quite specific about you needing to have a very solid watertight reason for having anything that might be used as an offensive weapon on your person.

Second, knives only have one setting. Lethal. If you are not prepared to use it, then its more of a threat to you than them. You've escalated the level of potential force, and if you're not prepared to back that up, it tends to become obvious rather quickly.
People planning to use their knives do not stand around threatening with them. They grab and stab without the victim realizing the knife is ther ein the first place. You show off you have a knife, don't be surpised if they call your bluff.

Niall0

guitarzero wrote: »

I'm not sure about that - the actual carrying one as surely theres an ambiguity as to why you'd have one. Also, you wouldnt have to use it, I'm sure anyone considering attacking another knowing they have a knife would reconsider.

In case you didnt see the link i posted on the previous page http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1990/en/act/pub/0012/sec0009.html
It is against the law to carry a knife in a public place end of story

Laisurg

To be honest that was a bad situation, any time there's a large group of lads it doesn't matter how good a fighter you are because they just have the numbers, a weapon like a hurl or some other blunt object with length is the only thing that would really help you come out of a situation like that unscarred... still fair play for helping the woman, I'm sure most people wouldn't have done that.
Judo, boxing or muay thai, managing to flatten one of them with a kick to the head might scare the rest in a situation like that.

rosser44

guitarzero wrote: »

Carry a knife. I dont know why everyones so averted to carrying a knife. Carry a knife.

My god I've read some retarded posts on boards in my time but this one takes the biscuit. What do u think is going to happen??? " Oh i'll wave my knife at the scumbags and they'll sh1t their pants and run away" If you produce a knife there are NO good consequences. Are you the type of person who would be prepared to stab someone to death?
You take out your knife and a bunch of scummers will pull theirs and they wont hesitate. If you are lucky you'll end up in hospital with 5 or 6 holes in you and a few months in mountjoy ahead for possession of an offensive weapon. Jesus wept!

Laisurg

rosser44 wrote: »

My god I've read some retarded posts on boards in my time but this one takes the biscuit. What do u think is going to happen??? " Oh i'll wave my knife at the scumbags and they'll sh1t their pants and run away" If you produce a knife there are NO good consequences. Are you the type of person who would be prepared to stab someone to death?
You take out your knife and a bunch of scummers will pull theirs and they wont hesitate. If you are lucky you'll end up in hospital with 5 or 6 holes in you and a few months in mountjoy ahead for possession of an offensive weapon. Jesus wept!

Have to agree with this, no use pulling a knife on a bunch of lads unless you're going to use it and to be honest a hiding is better than a conviction for assault with a deadly weapon.

pearsquasher

Firstly hats off to the OP for stepping up no matter how the lady behaved and coming away relatively unscathed.

You also say:

I'm 42, not very fit but not banjaxed either(boxed til i was 23) and want to get training in something that's going to work. I have two choicesthat work for me geographically, there's Kenpo and Krav Maga. I'm raring to go! Any opinions?
Cheers guys.

Visit both clubs and train with them each for about 8 weeks minimum and decide for yourself a making sure you ask as many questions as possible but within reason. 8 weeks is what I ask all beginners to give me before they even decide that what I teach is what they want. Martial Arts takes time and dedication and its worth a few months research before settling down to study something that will take a few years. Martial arts can be just a drop-in hobby but the folks that are good spend a LOT of hours working under direct instruction before getting anywhere. The drop-ins just pay the rent.

Also, before you even approach a club, grab a few spare hours and a big mug of your favorite beverage and read this website from top to bottom and inside out and then read it again. It will make you think a LOT about the social consequences of physical violence. http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/

newmug

Bambi wrote: »

Is tyrellstown near meath? Friend of mine was talking about opening up a krav maga class out that way.

Nah its nowhere me.

Niall0

pearsquasher wrote: »

Firstly hats off to the OP for stepping up no matter how the lady behaved and coming away relatively unscathed.

You also say:


Visit both clubs and train with them each for about 8 weeks minimum and decide for yourself a making sure you ask as many questions as possible but within reason. 8 weeks is what I ask all beginners to give me before they even decide that what I teach is what they want. Martial Arts takes time and dedication and its worth a few months research before settling down to study something that will take a few years. Martial arts can be just a drop-in hobby but the folks that are good spend a LOT of hours working under direct instruction before getting anywhere. The drop-ins just pay the rent.

Also, before you even approach a club, grab a few spare hours and a big mug of your favorite beverage and read this website from top to bottom and inside out and then read it again. It will make you think a LOT about the social consequences of physical violence. http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/

Dude im not trying to disrespect you or yor training but 8 weeks? Before they decide what they want? Doesnt sound like a good introduction to martial arts to me.

CageWager

guitarzero wrote: »

Carry a knife. I dont know why everyones so averted to carrying a knife. Carry a knife.

Just carry a spoon...

arybvtcw0eolkf

We could make this the SD&MA 'Off Topic Thread' thread!.. Anyone?.

Dyr

Oakley Brief Goose-step wrote: »

We could make this the SD&MA 'Off Topic Thread' thread!.. Anyone?.

Make it the SD&MA "welcome to 2004 again" thread

Zen65

guitarzero wrote: »

Carry a knife. I dont know why everyones so averted to carrying a knife. Carry a knife.

((Sigh))

Most sensible people are averse to carrying knives because

• It's illegal to carry a knife in public, never mind use one. The carrying of a knife constitutes pre-meditation to violence so there can be so mitigating claim of self-defence.
• Carrying a knife does not prevent people from attacking you, and so for it to be of use you have to show/threaten with the knife, and that's a hollow threat.
• Unless you are skilled in using the knife, introducing it to a fight is more likely to result in injuries to yourself.
• Injuries from knives have a high probability of fatality. Even one cut to a major artery can lead to a bleed-out. At best the chances of it being you that bleeds is 50/50.
• By comparison, carrying a €5 note in your pocket to hand over quickly in the event of being mugged is a much safer strategy. Nobody ever did jail time for carrying a €5 note.

Perhaps if you gave the matter some thought or carried out some research you'd understand why everyone's so averse to carrying knives??

Z

Chris89

What are you going to do if you carry a knife? Stab someone?... unlikely. And what if they too are wielding a blade? Swordfight?

Get a tight haircut and tuck your bottoms into your socks, camoflage is your best weapon in a situation like this. Infiltrate the enemy and bring them down from the inside.

Socialist_Pig

Chris89 wrote: »

What are you going to do if you carry a knife? Stab someone?... unlikely. And what if they too are wielding a blade? Swordfight?

Get a tight haircut and tuck your bottoms into your socks, camoflage is your best weapon in a situation like this. Infiltrate the enemy and bring them down from the inside.

and dont forget to have both hands down the front of your trackie so it looks like you're massaging your ballsack or.....carrying a knife:pac:

Dyr

Zen65 wrote: »

[*]Unless you are skilled in using the knife, introducing it to a fight is more likely to result in injuries to yourself.
Z

People with zero skills have been sucessfully stabbing each other long before moses did a fás course leadership skills

cowzerp

Niall0 wrote: »

Dude im not trying to disrespect you or yor training but 8 weeks? Before they decide what they want? Doesnt sound like a good introduction to martial arts to me.

Agree here, if after day 1, and pushing it out week 1 you don't like or feel the class is good then it's not for you.

If it takes 8 weeks to know wheter pearsquashers class is good or not I'd like to feel he offers 1st 8 weeks free, I offer 1st month of Bjj free and most people know after 1st class that it's awesome

themandan6611

cowzerp wrote: »

I offer 1st month of Bjj free and most people know after 1st class that it's awesome

is that the class someone else takes ?

Dave Joyce

Christ I've read through this thread from the start as I hadn't time to really look at any threads for the last few days but by Jesus has this one topped it all for some of the insights. Firstly the guy comes on and describes what happened to him and eventually we have an "expert" decipher his story:rolleyes: and a mod agrees with that it probably went down like that:rolleyes: Good job guys, thats another returning poster guaranteed.

Then we have the even better experts telling us how he should done this or done that....yadda yadda I would love to know how any of these experts would have felt if it was THEIR mother, sister, partner whatever in the car with a child and NOBODY gave a moments notice to what was going on??? Regardless of how foolish her actions were (a very good reason for training your family of how to react in these type of situations) there was no guarantee that they were NOT going to continue doing what scumbags do regardless of her staying in the car or not and she also had a child in the car. I think I could be pretty sure these people would highlight clips of people doing nothing while someone got the bejaysus beat outta them and then saying it was a travesty that no one helped that "poor" person. And if that's their reaction to a situation with a child involved they should make excellent protectors in their fatherly roles. I suppose you people would be the ones dialling 911 in the safety of your cars when this type of thing went down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjBkGxeuNF8

Or perhaps this young lad would have had plenty of time to wait for an emergency response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjBkGxeuNF8 Good job, I'd really like to have guys at my back :rolleyes: However, while admittedly very unlikely to happen, THESE type of situations are WHY some people train so that they have the skills needed and not WISHING they had them. I mean if drive carefully, don't drink while driving and don't speed then you are unlikely to get in an accident so would you think it STILL a good idea NOT to wear a seatbelt.

Number 3
Attackers have a number of things in their favour, and only an idiot would attack someone if they weren't sure they could win. Firstly, they are the attackers, and this automatically makes you the defender. That's a big deal. Secondly, they have an element of surprise or shock. Thirdly, they will give themselves a tactical advantage- either through weaponry, situation or weight of numbers.

Don't agree at all Barry. This is a good example of the wrong mindset and automatically accepting YOU are the defender which is what will come across in attempts to protect yourself. Correct mindset by the way doesn't mean you are Superman or have a "Gung Ho" attitude. I mean if you are going to fight someone that may be a better fighter or has more experience than you, you don't go into that fight thinking "They are better than me so I'll just give it my best shot" if you want/expect to win that fight.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dave you can take that rolly eye's emoticon and erm, ya know :rolleyes: (I hate the little blue bollox).

This thread reminds me of a weekend on the door, I'm given advice on how to handle every situation possibly known to man - everyone's a fighter, and full of advice based on absolutely ZERO experience - so excuse me if I don't get overly excited about too many of the replies in this thread.

In fact, I haven't read a single response here or from self defence experts anywhere online which comes even close to a real life situation which I've ever experienced.

Fact is outside of the school fields probably close on 99% of adults will have experienced a violent situation on the street - and so close to that figure have absolutely no idea how they'll react - fight, flight or freeze.

Best advice I can give the OP, based absolutely on first hand experience is begin training in martial arts for the sporting fun & enjoyment of it - you'll probably NEVER experience a similar situation again for your entire life so I wouldn't recommend joining a club/style and training for that eventuality.

I think training in any martial art is no guarantee a person will be better able to deal with violance no matter how many real life scenarios or pressure testing is done, to train for violence you must experience violence in my opinion as the fear factor is a game changer for a lot of martial artists, I think the idea of choosing a mind set is a bit far fetched as things happen so quickly that most times I didn't get to choose the swear word of the day.

I think the ability to deal with violence when sober comes from a inner strength and is very hard to teach, if you have the ability to stand then training is a handy tool but if not then its of no use as I have witnessed firsthand and trying to fill that gap with a weapon is silly.

I think martial arts should be a fun hobby that may assist if you have the ability, I think if you do a job that envolves violence then you should be training as a given, if not stop worrying most people I know have never experienced a punch on the nose.

odnauq

If a person purposedly walks in front of your car, is it acceptable to run them over? It is not an accident, it is self defense when more than one persons tries to intimidate you.

Barry.Oglesby

Dave Joyce wrote: »

Don't agree at all Barry. This is a good example of the wrong mindset and automatically accepting YOU are the defender which is what will come across in attempts to protect yourself. Correct mindset by the way doesn't mean you are Superman or have a "Gung Ho" attitude. I mean if you are going to fight someone that may be a better fighter or has more experience than you, you don't go into that fight thinking "They are better than me so I'll just give it my best shot" if you want/expect to win that fight.

I'm actually retired from boards but since you answered me directly it would be impolite not to respond .

I wasn't giving it as an example of mindset, good or bad, just as a statement of fact- if you are being attacked, then you are the defender. That might change over the course of the fight, but this is the way it is no matter what way you look at it once the fight starts. You've fought and train fighters so I know you know what I mean when I say that initial aggression can be really important if your opponent isn't up to speed yet. That's what I'm talking about when I talk about attack/defence and the advantage it gives.

Anyway, stupid argument that has descended into worse since the last time I checked.

Ddad

First Aid Ireland wrote: »

I've done a bit of Krav. I really enjoyed it, and it's better than doing nothing. But ultimately I think the lack of any real sparring makes it's use limited in any kind of nasty situation. It also seemed to give a minority of people who did it a confidence that I think it didn't warrant. I think some of the lads thought they were ready to fight gangs single-handedly after a few months training.

It's great fun, though.

Hi First aid. We do gloved up and helmetted full contact sparring in our Krav classes. With ceratin striking actions disallowed.It fairly rapidly disabuses you of any notions about your invincibility. A decent right cross with 16oz gloves and a sparring helmet is most effective tool I've seen for a complete loss of technique and composure. It takes a lot of training and sparring to take a punch. A lot more IMHO than to deliver one. I do Krav for the fun and fitness. The timing and the structure of the classes suits me.

But, I would never claim that I'd be better off in a fight because of it. I'd hope so; I'd also hope that I'll never have to test that theory. The taste of blood in my mouth makes me a lot more inclined to concentrate on avoiding trouble.;)