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HS Precision

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    One of your posts your stating an accuracy guarantee would cost notthing extra ....then later you agree it would extra cost time and money :o
    Are you embarrassed, cause i'm not.

    I agree that the gunsmith's time costing money is something i did not consider. You made your point, i conceded. As a discussion forum is it not about talking and informing people or is there some unwritten rule that all mods must know everything?

    At worst a couple of hours on the range would cost a gunsmith a couple of hundred Euro in "time away from the shop". In this time he could test, and guarantee a few rifles so break that "loss in earnings" over those rifles, and it would cost less than €50 per rifle.
    As there are no offers of accuracy guarantees here in ireland (to date) on custom rifles that is a big down side to some guys buying one over a high end factory custom rifle at the same price or cheaper.So in most peoples books looking to spend hard cash today the H/S and some other high end rifles are cheaper than the offerings in custom forms
    Once again you are holding on tight to this 0.5MOA guarnatee at 100 yards. I have already told you that, that accuracy can be obtained from a standard factory rifle costing less than half the price of the H&S. So whats so impressive? What you claim to be able to shoot wih the one you done, which i have only your word you shot, is not a guarantee that H&S provide.
    In the u.s these H/S rifles sell well and yet there are hundreds of gunsmith over there building rifles.
    They must sell well somewhere otherwise they would be out of business. However ina country where they complain about buying a rifle for $450, that we pay €850 for i wonder how much llonger they would sell well?
    The prices stated in the H/S link are RRP prices and by the time a dealer buys direct from their factory (trade price)+shipping and taxes ...the prices over here would around 3000 euro .(contacted a dealer on this ).
    Whats your point? We already know its €3,000. We've been saying it all throughout the thread.
    Im not knocking custom built rifles .....ive had quite a few by now .But i have also shot H/S rifles and for the money they offer ....good value ,good accuracy and good resale value ...... oh yea ,nearly forgot AN ACCURACY GUARANTEE ;)
    So your custom rifles. They do not shoot aswell as a H&S? I also find it odd that for someone that thinks so very highly of H&S, that you do not own one, and still went the custom route when getting your next rifle.
    This thread started off about H/S rifles ,of which by your words have never seen or shot one ........
    Have you even a full custom built rifle to compare ?
    Would you not class my rifle as full custom becuase the action the rifle is built of is a Savage action?

    Also maybe you could answer some of the questions i asked in my last post about H&S rifles.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    Ezridax wrote: »
    Are you embarrassed, cause i'm not.

    I agree that the gunsmith's time costing money is something i did not consider. You made your point, i conceded. As a discussion forum is it not about talking and informing people or is there some unwritten rule that all mods must know everything?

    At worst a couple of hours on the range would cost a gunsmith a couple of hundred Euro in "time away from the shop". In this time he could test, and guarantee a few rifles so break that "loss in earnings" over those rifles, and it would cost less than €50 per rifle.

    Once again you are holding on tight to this 0.5MOA guarnatee at 100 yards. I have already told you that, that accuracy can be obtained from a standard factory rifle costing less than half the price of the H&S. So whats so impressive? What you claim to be able to shoot wih the one you done, which i have only your word you shot, is not a guarantee that H&S provide.

    They must sell well somewhere otherwise they would be out of business. However ina country where they complain about buying a rifle for $450, that we pay €850 for i wonder how much llonger they would sell well?

    Whats your point? We already know its €3,000. We've been saying it all throughout the thread.

    So your custom rifles. They do not shoot aswell as a H&S? I also find it odd that for someone that thinks so very highly of H&S, that you do not own one, and still went the custom route when getting your next rifle.

    Would you not class my rifle as full custom becuase the action the rifle is built of is a Savage action?

    Also maybe you could answer some of the questions i asked in my last post about H&S rifles.
    You neither own a full custom rifle nor have you seen or shot a H/S so repying to any of the above is like flogging a dead horse ,sorry !Ive said what ive said on this ...let the readers decide what to spend their money on .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    My 2c worth: I don't own nor have I ever seen or shot a HS Precision rifle, but I have say that I wouldn't be overly impressed with a "guarantee" such as HS advertise.

    They "guarantee" that their rifles will shoot 0.5MOA at 100 yards. Whoop de do! Big Swing. If I was them I wouldn't be bragging too much about that sort of "achievement" out of what is purportedly a €3000 rifle.

    Nor do they mention if that's with factory-ammo and in what kind of conditions. Seems to be a bit of marketing-spin to lure in folks.

    Now, if they guaranteed 0.5MOA at 600 - 1000 yards, THAT I'd be impressed with. But FFS half an inch THREE shot group at a 100 yards? Come on, I know of a couple of .22's which could match that on a good day.

    Also, what does this "guarantee" entail? If you don't shoot a 3-shot 0.5MOA group at 100 yards, what then? They'll replace the gun, give you your money back, recompense you for all the hassle? What? I don't really think so TBH.

    Or maybe, just maybe, they know - as well as we should do - that a 3-shot group should really be a 5-shot group if you want to see what the grouping is REALLY like, and that half-inch three-shot group at 100yards is pretty achievable and thus their oh-so-impressive guarantee is safe and secure.

    BTW HS Precision are also the self-same company who are now marketing an F-OPEN rifle in 6.5x284 which has a drop-mag and a 26in barrel. As they say themselves: "The FCRis designed to compete straight out of the box." It may well "compete" but it sure as f**k wouldn't be "competitive".

    If that's the level of "expertise" and research they carry out, I'd be spending my money closer to home if I was you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    You neither own a full custom rifle

    Eh? I think you'll find he does!
    Or what would you define as a "custom rifle"? Please enlighten us. Thanks.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    You neither own a full custom rifle ..... .
    Just so we are clear.
    • Savage action - Blueprinted.
    • Tru-Flite/Bartlein barrel - Fitted
    • Bespoke stock - Custom made/fitted
    • Action glass and pillar bedded
    • Custom rail
    This is not a custom rifle?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭patsat


    I wouldn't be overly impressed with the accuracy guarantee,

    I bought a brand new T3 lite for 795 euro and that comes with an accuracy guarantee of shooting 3 shots at 100m in under an inch!

    I'm sure them H S rifles are well able to shoot but don't get too hung up on the accuracy guarantee, what would turn me off one of them is not being able to feel it first, with the custom rifle you can track its progress the whole way through and change every little thing that doesn't suit you.

    But with the H S what happens if you buy one in and there is something you want to change about it? You will end up heading to your nearest custom rifle builder! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭kakashka


    Well i've seen several "custom rifles"from a well known "gun smith" that were a disaster and it was just tough sh1t with every excuse used,a guarantee has to be worth something..i prob would go the custon route myself but i'd be doing serious research re "gun smith's" before i spent
    IMO Always cheaper to get a SH custom gun and more chance of checking before spend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    Ezridax wrote: »
    Just so we are clear.
    • Savage action - Blueprinted.
    • Tru-Flite/Bartlein barrel - Fitted
    • Bespoke stock - Custom made/fitted
    • Action glass and pillar bedded
    • Custom rail
    This is not a custom rifle?
    Is that what you quoted me saying ...custom rifle or FULL custom rifle .
    There is a big difference and you and i both know that !
    The title of the thread is( HS Precision ) Not ( H/S Vs Custom build ).
    Your the one squeezing inaccurate info. to feed your hidden agenda and derail the thread ,imo!
    For a man who has not shot a H/S nor seen one and been this forum Mod ...how can you have 13 replys on this :confused:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    custom rifle or FULL custom rifle

    Now, that's just pedantry!
    What's a full custom rifle?

    Is it one where you have the action custom-made specifically for you?
    I'm not sure what the difference is?

    So, are you saying that if someone was to advertise and sell a .204 based on a remington short-action as a CUSTOM rifle, they should really have clarified that it wasn't really a FULL custom rifle, but merely just a non-full plain ol' custom rifle?;) What you're saying is that would be maybe just a little bit dishonest to mislead a purchaser by omission of the facts?

    Now, I'm not saying there's such a distinction between custom and custom and custom - but you are and I'm not 100% clear on what that distinction is?
    tomcat220t wrote: »
    The title of the thread is( HS Precision ) Not ( H/S Vs Custom build )

    Yeah, but the OP does specifically mention going down the custom route in their first post on the subject. So, it seems to be perfectly on topic to give them some pointers in that direction - plus the HS "guarantee" was mentioned a couple of times as a selling-point, so it's really only fair to give the OP some advice on that particular bit of marketing nonsense.
    tomcat220t wrote: »
    custom rifle or FULL custom rifle .

    There is a big difference and you and i both know that !

    But, sorry I for one don't - Maybe I'm just slow or something, but could you be a little bit less obtuse and actually TELL us how you make the distinction? Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭silverfox1


    If the rifle was for just hunting i wouldn't bother going near a custom build especially if the op is looking for a lightweight rifle where a 0.5 moa is more than good enough. i went with a custom build a few years ago for just hunting and as well as it being brutal heavy it didn't shoot any better than a factory tikka or blaser or whatever. thats a story for another day though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    dCorbus wrote: »
    Now, that's just pedantry!
    What's a full custom rifle?

    Is it one where you have the action custom-made specifically for you?
    I'm not sure what the difference is?

    So, are you saying that if someone was to advertise and sell a .204 based on a remington short-action as a CUSTOM rifle, they should really have clarified that it wasn't really a FULL custom rifle, but merely just a non-full plain ol' custom rifle?;) What you're saying is that would be maybe just a little bit dishonest to mislead a purchaser by omission of the facts?

    Now, I'm not saying there's such a distinction between custom and custom and custom - but you are and I'm not 100% clear on what that distinction is?
    Since you tooked the time to check my .204 ad ....;)It was a CUSTOM BUILT rifle based on a remmy action ! Thats accurate in every sense of that description .
    In the above statement of description have a guess what a FULL custom build is ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    silverfox1 wrote: »
    If the rifle was for just hunting i wouldn't bother going near a custom build especially if the op is looking for a lightweight rifle where a 0.5 moa is more than good enough. i went with a custom build a few years ago for just hunting and as well as it being brutal heavy it didn't shoot any better than a factory tikka or blaser or whatever. thats a story for another day though.

    Custom-builds (FULL or otherwise:rolleyes:) have come on a long long way recently in Ireland. There's now at least 3 decent gun-smiths who know their stuff, along with home-grown stock makers who'll set you up right. A custom hunting rifle? Well, only just last Saturday I was admiring one or two in .243 :) Next time, shop around - there's some great craftsmen and precision smiths working around the country these days!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    Is that what you quoted me saying ...custom rifle or FULL custom rifle .
    The quote i gave you was for someone to buy everything as a componant and have the rifle assembled from those parts.
    There is a big difference and you and i both know that !
    How so?
    The title of the thread is( HS Precision ) Not ( H/S Vs Custom build ).
    I read the thread, and responded with what i think would be a suitable compromise. I am allowed to do that. Also you responded defending H&S which allowed the thread to develope.
    Your the one squeezing inaccurate info. to feed your hidden agenda and derail the thread ,imo!
    Thats a serious allegation, and one i take personal offense to. I never mentioned any rifle builder, never said the OP should go custom. I only said if it were me i would take that route.

    By your allegation that means that It wasn't me has a hidden agenda also as he said for the money he would also go custom. That accussation will not go unanswered, bu thats for another time and another forum.
    For a man who has not shot a H/S nor seen one and been this forum Mod ...how can you have 13 replys on this :confused:.
    Again you are telling me to shut up?

    I am as entitled to reply as any and unless you see This font i am speaking as a user not a mod.

    I have never commented on H&S rifles performance from personal experience as i have none, but i am entitled to question some things, and provide my opinion as i see it. Such as price.

    Also i have answered every question as honestly as i can, yet you have not answered one of mine. Why?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    Since you tooked the time to check my .204 ad ....;)It was a CUSTOM BUILT rifle based on a remmy action ! Thats accurate in every sense of that description .
    In the above statement of description have a guess what a FULL custom build is ?

    Yes, it was: Now I'm not in the guessing-game business and i have neither the time nor inclination to play games with you: So, as you're the one who makes the distinction between the two, i.e. CUSTOM v's FULL CUSTOM, do me (and probably the rest of the readers) the favour of stop being pedantic, obtuse, and disseminating away from the point, and ACTUALLY tell me the f**kin' difference, but dumb and thick as I am, I cannot figure out what it is you are talking about?

    So, please now explain/define the following:
    1. Custom Rifle
    2. Custom Built Rifle
    3. Full Custom Built Rifle
    4. Full Custom Rifle

    Coz, f**k me, I'm confused!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Hibrion


    Just to let you know, I am taking everyone's opinions on board. The appealing thing, to me at least, about the H&S is that it is a 'factory custom' rifle. The rifle has to come with certain guarantees that custom builders often can't give.

    I'm not knocking custom builds, it's just that for me, at present, I wouldn't go that route.
    I am open to customizing a rifle. Perhaps buying something and having it bedded or a detachable mag system put in; small things to help with usability or accuracy.

    I'm not aiming for a super high-end rifle either. I'm just considering everything left handed. Because there are a limited amount of manufacturers supplying left handed rifles, I've had to consider Remington to HS precision and everything in between.

    One rifle I am not a fan of is the Tikka. It is not a big complaint, but the amount of plastic fittings really puts me off them. That being said, I know they are shooters. But then, a tikka with all metal fittings is basically a Sako, and they can be heavy old rifles. It is hard to get it right sometimes.

    At the moment I'm waiting on prices for new savages in all the left handed models with a sporter barrels, while also giving very serious thought to this 7mm-08 Blaser R93 that I've been offered.

    Out of curiosity, are there any other manufacturers who guarantee .5 MOA from the box? As I said, I don't want to argue about cost. Let's say we are looking at all rifles on an equal par, regardless of expense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Hibrion


    I think I can follow Tomcat. Now I'm not agreeing with one side or the other, but are you saying that there are customized rifles built on factory actions, taken from complete factory rifles, and custom rifles, built on custom actions like Mc Millan, etc.??

    I'm not well up on custom builds, so forgive my ignorance in the matters. I'm a hunter rather than a target shooter (except for the pistol, but that's just pure fun to me) and have seen few custom/customized rifles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    Ezridax wrote: »
    The quote i gave you was for someone to buy everything as a componant and have the rifle assembled from those parts.

    How so?

    I read the thread, and responded with what i think would be a suitable compromise. I am allowed to do that. Also you responded defending H&S which allowed the thread to develope.

    Thats a serious allegation, and one i take personal offense to. I never mentioned any rifle builder, never said the OP should go custom. I only said if it were me i would take that route.

    By your allegation that means that It wasn't me has a hidden agenda also as he said for the money he would also go custom. That accussation will not go unanswered, bu thats for another time and another forum.

    Again you are telling me to shut up?

    I am as entitled to reply as any and unless you see This font i am speaking as a user not a mod.

    I have never commented on H&S rifles performance from personal experience as i have none, but i am entitled to question some things, and provide my opinion as i see it. Such as price.

    Also i have answered every question as honestly as i can, yet you have not answered one of mine. Why?
    For a guy who wants a so called accussation not to go unanswered the norm would be to PM me !Im far from telling ya to shut up !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    Hibrion wrote: »
    Just to let you know, I am taking everyone's opinions on board. The appealing thing, to me at least, about the H&S is that it is a 'factory custom' rifle. The rifle has to come with certain guarantees that custom builders often can't give.

    I'm not knocking custom builds, it's just that for me, at present, I wouldn't go that route.
    I am open to customizing a rifle. Perhaps buying something and having it bedded or a detachable mag system put in; small things to help with usability or accuracy.

    I'm not aiming for a super high-end rifle either. I'm just considering everything left handed. Because there are a limited amount of manufacturers supplying left handed rifles, I've had to consider Remington to HS precision and everything in between.

    One rifle I am not a fan of is the Tikka. It is not a big complaint, but the amount of plastic fittings really puts me off them. That being said, I know they are shooters. But then, a tikka with all metal fittings is basically a Sako, and they can be heavy old rifles. It is hard to get it right sometimes.

    At the moment I'm waiting on prices for new savages in all the left handed models with a sporter barrels, while also giving very serious thought to this 7mm-08 Blaser R93 that I've been offered.

    Out of curiosity, are there any other manufacturers who guarantee .5 MOA from the box? As I said, I don't want to argue about cost. Let's say we are looking at all rifles on an equal par, regardless of expense.
    RPA and Cooper just to metion a few .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Hibrion


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    RPA and Cooper just to metion a few .

    A few what? Can you elaborate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    Hibrion wrote: »
    The appealing thing, to me at least, about the H&S is that it is a 'factory custom' rifle.

    TBH that's more "marketing speak". Doesn't really mean anything: It's a factory-built rifle, perhaps built to higher tolerance and quality control.
    Hibrion wrote: »
    The rifle has to come with certain guarantees that custom builders often can't give.

    Again, if you want my un-biased opinion: That bit about the guarantee is meaningless - it's another marketing ploy. And frankly it's a pretty mediocre accuracy standard to be guaranteeing anyway.
    Hibrion wrote: »
    I'm not aiming for a super high-end rifle either

    At €3000+, I'd call that a pretty super high-end rifle! Plus, what's their technical back-up in Ireland?
    Hibrion wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, are there any other manufacturers who guarantee .5 MOA from the box?

    Can't think of any off-hand. Probably because most of the top-end and reputable dealers wouldn't insult their clientele by a) giving such a bullsh1t guarantee, and b) even if they did, it would want to be a tad better that 0.5MOA at 100yards.

    EDIT: There's a couple (as tomcat points out), but frankly I wouldn't pay too much heed to that: RPA are great, and I'm surprised that they'd bother with such a sh1te arse marketing ploy. In fact, their guns are usually much better than a poxy 0.5MOA at 100yards - more like one-hole stuff TBH.
    Hibrion wrote: »
    I think I can follow Tomcat. Now I'm not agreeing with one side or the other, but are you saying that there are customized rifles built on factory actions, taken from complete factory rifles, and custom rifles, built on custom actions like Mc Millan, etc.??



    I'm not well up on custom builds, so forgive my ignorance in the matters. I'm a hunter rather than a target shooter (except for the pistol, but that's just pure fun to me) and have seen few custom/customized rifles.

    The only difference I can see between what tomcat is trying to differentiate is between a custom rifle with a blue-printed action and a custom rifle with a higher-end action, such as a stolle, barnard, etc - Now, personally a gun built around a decent solid action blueprinted, whilst possibly not as high-end as a precision action, is still a custom built rifle. Afterall, stolles, barnards, rpa's, etc are all still factory-made actions, just made to higher standards. Taking tomcats logic to the end, does that mean that for a rifle to be truly and fully custom the action must be a one-off custom part too? I don't really think so.

    There are many different levels of customisation, you just need to pick the level and components and configuration that suits your needs and your budget.

    But my advice to you (if you're looking at a €3000+ rifle), is to do some more research - and trust me, there's a lot of a rifles (factory and custom) out there that will cost in or around that amount, but have much better reputations, track-record, and don't rely on nonsensical guarantees.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    dCorbus wrote: »
    Yes, it was: Now I'm not in the guessing-game business and i have neither the time nor inclination to play games with you: So, as you're the one who makes the distinction between the two, i.e. CUSTOM v's FULL CUSTOM, do me (and probably the rest of the readers) the favour of stop being pedantic, obtuse, and disseminating away from the point, and ACTUALLY tell me the f**kin' difference, but dumb and thick as I am, I cannot figure out what it is you are talking about?

    So, please now explain/define the following:
    1. Custom Rifle
    2. Custom Built Rifle
    3. Full Custom Built Rifle
    4. Full Custom Rifle

    Coz, f**k me, I'm confused!
    CUSTOM RIFLE /BUILD could mean any thing for a rebarrel or restock or both or action ect..... general terms of any thing custom on a rifle .
    But a FULL CUSTOM RIFLE /BUILD is exactly that ...Custom action,custom stock ,custom barrel ...trigger ect .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭tomcat220t


    Hibrion wrote: »
    A few what? Can you elaborate?
    Sorry, they give a .5moa guarantee


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Hibrion


    dCorbus wrote: »
    TBH that's more "marketing speak". Doesn't really mean anything: It's a factory-built rifle, perhaps built to higher tolerance and quality control./QUOTE]

    Thanks for the feedback. It looks like I won't be going for the HS, to be honest. I do think factory custom is the best description of the rifle though. The level of customization available: fitting of the stock, etc. is good. It is beyond a regular factory rifle.

    Didn't someone mention that Tikka give a sub MOA guarantee? Is that a bull**** guarantee that means little to those buying them? I know they cost a little less than half a HS, but I'm still curious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭silverfox1


    dCorbus wrote: »
    Custom-builds (FULL or otherwise:rolleyes:) have come on a long long way recently in Ireland. There's now at least 3 decent gun-smiths who know their stuff, along with home-grown stock makers who'll set you up right. A custom hunting rifle? Well, only just last Saturday I was admiring one or two in .243 :) Next time, shop around - there's some great craftsmen and precision smiths working around the country these days!

    Im not in any way trying to put down irish gunsmiths. i've had custom work done since and was very happy with it. just not that particular rifle.:( If i was getting a target rifle built i wouldn't hesitate to get a full custom from fergal white or whoever. I just dont see the need for hunting. Im open to persuasion though. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    Actually, just checked RPA's website: Can't find any mention of an "accuracy guarantee" (TBH they don't need to sully themselves by giving one IMO) and in fact their t&c's state that RPA: makes no warranty as to the fitness of the Goods for any particular purpose.

    That all said, I'd get a RPA before a HS myself.

    Loads of really great rifles out there: Just keep looking and don't just stick with the HS. In fact there's too much choice out there when you consider the high-end factory rifles and all the excellent custom-builders here and in the UK. Spoilt for choice (particularly if you have a €3000plus budget).


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    For a guy who wants a so called accussation not to go unanswered the norm would be to PM me
    So after you openly, and publically accuse me of some sort of hidden agenda,;
    tomcat220t wrote: »
    . to feed your hidden agenda and derail the thread ,imo!
    ........... and incorrectness i should be "polite", and respond to that allegation privately.

    Please. However if you want to continue this via PM feel free.
    !Im far from telling ya to shut up !
    Really. Then what did you mean by this;
    tomcat220t wrote: »
    ...how can you have 13 replys on this :confused:.
    So because i have no experience with something i should shut up and stay out of it?

    I said before that a 0.5 MOA is not impressive. H&S rifles are probably built to higher tolerances than other stndard rifles. I said the same high level of tolerances can be achieved by building a rifle from stratch, but would be more suited to the client as they can choose individual parts rather than the preset ones set out by H&S.

    At the Creedmoor there were rifles built of Remington actions. Not taken from a rifle, but the action bought, and the rifle built around this. I would class them as custom rifles. You are arguing semantics. Customisation is work carried out on a factory rifle, with the majority of the rifle still factory issue. Custom (to me) is when every part has been tailored to be better than factory standards or have custom parts used in its construction.

    If you don't agree then you are free to disagree.
    Hibrion wrote:
    Didn't someone mention that Tikka give a sub MOA guarantee? Is that a bull**** guarantee that means little to those buying them? I know they cost a little less than half a HS, but I'm still curious.
    Never heard of Tikka giving that guarantee, but doesn't mean they don't. However with a Tikka costing between €750 - €1,450 and providing the same level of accuracy at 100 yards why would you go for a €3,000 rifle. Especially when you consider the purpose (hunting) of the rifle. I said the same about Sako rifles, but was told that they are a "supped up starlet turbo " compared to the "BMW M5" that is the H&S.
    dCorbus wrote:
    Loads of really great rifles out there: Just keep looking and don't just stick with the HS. In fact there's too much choice out there when you consider the high-end factory rifles and all the excellent custom-builders here and in the UK. Spoilt for choice (particularly if you have a €3000plus budget).
    +1.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Hibrion


    Anyone any opinions on Blaser? I've alos been offered a Heym R21? I know nothing, whatsoever, about Heym.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭dCorbus


    tomcat220t wrote: »
    CUSTOM RIFLE /BUILD could mean any thing for a rebarrel or restock or both or action ect..... general terms of any thing custom on a rifle .
    But a FULL CUSTOM RIFLE /BUILD is exactly that ...Custom action,custom stock ,custom barrel ...trigger ect .

    Ok, now I see where you're coming from.
    I agree: a re-barrel does not a custom-rifle make!
    Example: I have a TRG with a Custom Barrel - I don't have a Custom Built Rifle.

    However, if I was to have the action blued, a new stock fitted and bedded, and then another new barrel put on, then I'd probably call it a custom rifle.

    And if i was to get a barnard p, a PSE eTac stock, a trueflite barrel all put together, I would also call it a custom rifle.

    Just one would be more customised than the other. And yes, in those circumstances, the latter example could be considered a fully custom-built rifle.

    And all of the above cases (including the re-barrel), whilst no gaurentees were asked for or given, you can be damn sure it had better shot better than any of the above mentioned guarantees. TBH the gun with the factory barrel shot about 0.5MOA out of the box at 100yards. It's now JUST A LEEETTLE bit better!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Hibrion


    Everyone seems to have very high opinons of Sako. I did see an M597 Stutzen that seemed like a nice hunting rifle, but it was in 243, and I'd really like something with a bit more poke in it! 243 is not a bad round, but I want to buy a rifle to keep, rather than something I will have to change... again!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭silverfox1


    i'd be leaning towards an rpa over the hs any day too.


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