If your not a tax payer leave or die!!!

theg81der

Hi All

Is this Fine Gaels new policy?

The dole office walls seemed to be covered in work abroad posters and Australian oppurtunities. I`m feeling theres alot of work being put into pushing people that direction.

They are cutting carer hours and closing hospices. Are they trying to kill old people off? The carers won`t be there to find them if something happens and there is nowhere to funnel them into after they stay in hospital. Theres not enough doctors or beds anyway and I do feel that if someone isn`t there to stand up for someone elderly they don`t get the same attention maybe I`m wrong just what I`ve seen. Poor elderly with no immediate family are clearly being put at risk, is it a deliberate policy thou?

And I forgot the whole thing about medical card delays something I experienced a while ago. Changed doctors before took a week this year 3 months. Some really sick people aren`t getting their medication if the chat on the radio is to be believed.

mikemac1

We can't all live on a small island you know

the scrote

i work in the uk but live in eire,i pay uk tax but spend my 50k salary in ireland,should i f*ck off,i have thought about moving full time to the uk,i know my money would go alot further

ejmaztec

theg81der wrote: »

Hi All

Is this Fine Gaels new policy?

It's not a new policy, and it's also not just confined to FG.

It's been a standard Irish government policy since about 1922.

token101

theg81der wrote: »

Hi All

Is this Fine Gaels new policy?

The dole office walls seemed to be covered in work abroad posters and Australian oppurtunities. I`m feeling theres alot of work being put into pushing people that direction.

They are cutting carer hours and closing hospices. Are they trying to kill old people off? The carers won`t be there to find them if something happens and there is nowhere to funnel them into after they stay in hospital. Theres not enough doctors or beds anyway and I do feel that if someone isn`t there to stand up for someone elderly they don`t get the same attention maybe I`m wrong just what I`ve seen. Poor elderly with no immediate family are clearly being put at risk, is it a deliberate policy thou?

What's wrong with Aussies putting up posters attracting you there? If you hate the government that much, go.

theg81der wrote: »

Poor elderly with no immediate family are clearly being put at risk, is it a deliberate policy thou?

No. Stop asking stupid questions.

Honest opinion

They are cutting carer hours and closing hospices. Are they trying to kill old people off?

It genuinly worries me how stupid some people are if you actualy beleive that and there are more people like you Ireland has much worse of a problem then the Recession

Also any chance of moving this thread some where relevant like politics? stop ruining after hours with your whingy cries you decide your own fate not the Government grow up

theg81der

the scrote wrote: »

i work in the uk but live in eire,i pay uk tax but spend my 50k salary in ireland,should i f*ck off,i have thought about moving full time to the uk,i know my money would go alot further

Em.... I don`t know. Well Fine Gael don`t want you to feck off or die since your spending your dosh here.

Micky Dolenz

I've been a tax payer since I left school. Who knows, next month I may not be.

FG can fcuk right off.

theg81der

token101 wrote: »

What's wrong with Aussies putting up posters attracting you there? If you hate the government that much, go.

I don`t understand so the Aussies went to the dole office and put up posters?

No. Stop asking stupid questions.

Why is it a stupid question?

NakedNNettles

theg81der wrote: »

The dole office walls seemed to be covered in work abroad posters and Australian oppurtunities. I`m feeling theres alot of work being put into pushing people that direction.

They have to put these posters up in the dole office cause some Irish are too thick to realise the abundance of opportunities available to them in this world. Most of the Irish who have some get up and go are already gone, you can't say you haven't been told.

I don't feel sorry for anyone in Ireland, try going to somewhere like the Philippinnes or the arsehole of Africa, then you might change your perspective on the haves and have nots of the world.

theg81der

Honest opinion wrote: »

They are cutting carer hours and closing hospices. Are they trying to kill old people off?

It genuinly worries me how stupid some people are if you actualy beleive that and there are more people like you Ireland has much worse of a problem then the Recession

Also any chance of moving this thread some where relevant like politics? stop ruining after hours with your whingy cries you decide your own fate not the Government grow up

Go back to your leaba and get out de other side will ye!!!Not whinging its a genuine observation which I feel evidence backs up. Someone in the medical card office said they`re being told to hold them up - why`s that? If they`re lying its a bit of a co-incidence that thats whats happening?!!

theg81der

NakedNNettles wrote: »

They have to put these posters up in the dole office cause some Irish are too thick to realise the abundance of opportunities available to them in this world. Most of the Irish who have some get up and go are already gone, you can't say you haven't been told.

Would love to be going myself but some of us have non-financial related responsibilities here.

ejmaztec

NakedNNettles wrote: »

They have to put these posters up in the dole office cause some Irish are too thick to realise the abundance of opportunities available to them in this world. Most of the Irish who have some get up and go are already gone, you can't say you haven't been told.

I don't feel sorry for anyone in Ireland, try going to somewhere like the Philippinnes or the arsehole of Africa, then you might change your perspective on the haves and have nots of the world.

What's Robert Mugabe got to do with this?

theg81der

theg81der wrote: »

Go back to your leaba and get out de other side will ye!!!Not whinging its a genuine observation which I feel evidence backs up. Someone in the medical card office said they`re being told to hold them up - why`s that If they`re lying its a bit of a co-incidence that thats whats happening?

i heard someone say they put drugs in the tap water what a coincidence!!!11

mongdesade

ejmaztec wrote: »

What's Robert Mugabe got to do with this?

NakedNNettles

theg81der wrote: »

Would love to be going myself but some of us have non-financial related responsibilities here.

Sound man, sorry, maybe I was a bit harsh, I have friends who are caught up and can't leave, kids etc.

But if you someone is young, under 30 available for work visas with no responsibilities then there's no excuse for arsing round on the dole in Ireland.....and there is a huge majority that are within this demographic, get out there, sheer laziness and growing up with a feeling of self entitlement is a huge problem.

This crisis is going to keep going for years, better accept it and get doing something

AudreyHepburn

Yes I'm sure FG want to get rid of all our job seekers and kill our elderly.....

:rolleyes:

Get a grip!

Bullseye1

OP you do realise Labour are also in government and the only reason the CPA has not been ripped up already.

theg81der

So Fine Gael are a genuine, selfless, lovely lot of well meaning public representives and the saying politicians would sell their own grannys came from nowhere? and their policies of endangering the most vunerable in society are not happening? and medical cards are arriving promply as they should? and all them gamblers are not going to gain a return on those high risk investment bonds they made? and the people who actually caused the mess are the ones who will pay?.......oh wait thats not actually whats happening is it? silly me :rolleyes: can you explain it again I`m not getting something here....

And Labour too! (happy?)

Bullseye1

So Labour have no culpability?

Noreen1

NakedNNettles wrote: »

They have to put these posters up in the dole office cause some Irish are too thick to realise the abundance of opportunities available to them in this world. Most of the Irish who have some get up and go are already gone, you can't say you haven't been told.

I don't feel sorry for anyone in Ireland, try going to somewhere like the Philippinnes or the arsehole of Africa, then you might change your perspective on the haves and have nots of the world.

Ah! So we should be happy to pay crippling taxes for the next 20 years, as long as we're not the Philippines or, er, certain parts of Africa?

Thanks for clearing that up!:rolleyes:

NakedNNettles

Noreen1 wrote: »

Ah! So we should be happy to pay crippling taxes for the next 20 years, as long as we're not the Philippines or, er, certain parts of Africa?

Thanks for clearing that up!:rolleyes:

Crippling taxes my arse, you have a computer to type on and an internet connection so you must have a roof over your head and don't tell me you put your PC & internet before food and a good time.

ejmaztec

Bullseye1 wrote: »

So Labour have no culpability?

Of course they have, and I even voted for the overpaid hypocrites (but I didn't vote for their ultra-overpaid money-grabbing special advisers).

up for anything

mikemac1 wrote: »

We can't all live on a small island you know

Why not? 8 million people lived on this small island before the potato bubble burst.

NakedNNettles wrote: »

But if you someone is young, under 30 available for work visas with no responsibilities then there's no excuse for arsing round on the dole in Ireland.....and there is a huge majority that are within this demographic, get out there, sheer laziness and growing up with a feeling of self entitlement is a huge problem.

This crisis is going to keep going for years, better accept it and get doing something

Just what I used to listen to before I had to leave Ireland to find work back in the 80s except the bit about arsing around on the dole because back then you couldn't feed yourself from the dole let alone arse round.

Now, in a few short years, like my mother then, I'll be facing losing my children to other countries from necessity rather than from their choice and because of bad government rather than me taking out huge loans.

NakedNNettles wrote: »

Crippling taxes my arse, you have a computer to type on and an internet connection so you must have a roof over your head and don't tell me you put your PC & internet before food and a good time.

I do. The computer is my social life, cheap at 83c per day although it means associating with AH riff raff. Also with children in school an Internet connection is a necessity rather than a luxury as lots of teachers are not prepared to schedule homework around library opening hours and the school computers are not made available to the children outside of computer class time.

up for anything

NakedNNettles wrote: »

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I don't feel sorry for anyone in Ireland, try going to somewhere like the Philippinnes or the arsehole of Africa, then you might change your perspective on the haves and have nots of the world.

Strange though how in the Philippines and some of the arseholes of Africa a considerable amount of people living there have a mobile phone and the means for charging the battery even when they only have one cooking pot and very little to put in it. The world has changed and needs are relative.

Ellis Dee

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I've been a tax payer since I left school. Who knows, next month I may not be.

If you are paying a lot of tax, you have only yourself to blame for not being rich.:D You should have become a millionaire, and then you'd be paying little or no tax. See here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0128/1224310867808.html

"IRELAND IS home to 620 millionaires but almost half of them pay less than 30 per cent income tax, according to new figures.In the week when US president Barack Obama pledged to ensure that millionaires in his country would pay at least 30 per cent tax, the Irish figures show that only 42 per cent of millionaires here did so in 2009.
The same proportion of people (42 per cent) with incomes between €500,000 and €1 million were paying under 30 per cent, Minister for Finance Michael Noonan told the Dáil.
Slightly over half of those earning between €250,000 and €500,000 were in this tax bracket, while for earners between €100,000 and €250,000 the figure was over 90 per cent."

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

FG can fcuk right off.

I'll get back to you when I can think of an argument to counter that. Don't hold your breath, though!:):)

Robdude

NakedNNettles wrote: »

Crippling taxes my arse, you have a computer to type on and an internet connection so you must have a roof over your head and don't tell me you put your PC & internet before food and a good time.

You are setting the bar awfully low.

An old laptop, shared internet connection and a bedroom in a shared house is an awfully low standard to aim for.

It's not a question of 'Can people survive, given a tax rate'. The question should be, 'What are people getting for their money, given a particular tax rate'.

In Ireland, the answer is 'not enough'.

The attitude of, 'Well, so-and-so can afford a car; so who cares how much they pay in taxes' is pretty much how you end up in a situation like this. People start saying, 'Can so-and-so afford more taxes? If so, let's tax 'em' instead of saying, 'Why do we think we need more taxes. What services are we going to offer our citizens. How are we spending the tax money we have?'

I've lived in places with no sales tax/VAT and I've lived in places with an 8% sales tax/VAT and I've lived in Ireland with it's current VAT (just as an example). What I've found is there is very little correlation between what the citizens get and how much they pay in taxes - you just see more rich politicians and their friends getting paid many times the national average while talking about how more taxes are needed.

ilovesleep

NakedNNettles wrote: »

They have to put these posters up in the dole office cause some Irish are too thick to realise the abundance of opportunities available to them in this world. Most of the Irish who have some get up and go are already gone, you can't say you haven't been told.

How do you think a young person under 25 will be going anywhere with 100 euro sw a week? Family may not have the means to help fund their emirgration. A bank is not going to give them a loan. It will take 13 weeks at saving all 100 euro just for a visa and ticket. It will take another 30 weeks at saving all 100 euro to save for the 3000 to have in the bank account as one of the requirements for entering australia.

Australia is also heading for recession. What then? It will more difficult to obtain a visa. Many of the Irish that are currently over there will be home again.

Doc Ruby

NakedNNettles wrote: »

But if you someone is young, under 30 available for work visas with no responsibilities then there's no excuse for arsing round on the dole in Ireland.....

Well they could be sharpening their votes up. Which not coincidentally is exactly what FG don't want them to do.

jammstarr

I'd love to go but I'm uneducated, unskilled and inexperienced so no other country would take me in.

iamstop

mikemac1 wrote: »

We can't all live on a small island you know

Singapore. :rolleyes:

Noreen1

NakedNNettles wrote: »

Crippling taxes my arse, you have a computer to type on and an internet connection so you must have a roof over your head and don't tell me you put your PC & internet before food and a good time.

I do indeed!
You appear to view this as a luxury?

I view it as a necessity - one I pay for, including taxes!
It is necessary for two reasons:

1: I work from home.
2: I have children at school, who need an internet connection for homework, since my nearest library is 30 miles away. (Maybe I should be delighted that a service 30 miles away exists, given your attitude?:rolleyes:)

However, unlike you - just because I own my home, mortgage free, and can afford to pay my bills (for now!), I don't deny that many people are in genuine difficulty. Neither do I feel superior. And I most certainly see no benefit, economically or otherwise, in forcing people into poverty by introducing the kind of tax regime that left many people (including me!) impoverished in the 80s.

I've been there, worn the t-shirt - and I wouldn't wish it on anyone!

Ms2011

theg81der wrote: »

Someone in the medical card office said they`re being told to hold them up - why`s that? If they`re lying its a bit of a co-incidence that thats whats happening?!!

Partner & I got let go last August, applied for a medical card in September & had it 6 weeks later. I was kept up to date on our application by text message, quite a good service I thought.

theg81der

Ms2011 wrote: »

Partner & I got let go last August, applied for a medical card in September & had it 6 weeks later. I was kept up to date on our application by text message, quite a good service I thought.

Well thats amazing I was waiting 3 months for a change of doctor something that took 1 week before and there is lots of similar experiences out there.